Why not? He's an excellent player.
Leighton Baines
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Why not? He's an excellent player.
I can understand not being all for signing Baines but would him joining really be as bad as your reaction suggests?
It's more that it represents the fact that Moyes is genuinely looking at his old club for players, which was something I really feared happening when he joined - that he'd stick with what he knew and go for players like Baines, Fellaini etc. I just don't believe Everton have any players good enough for Manchester United. I still don't.
I partially agree, but baines is pretty much the only everton player good enough to play for united.
Personally i don't think we need him but signing him won't be bad news at all.
Most people would say Baines is comfortably in the top 3 LB's in the league, so I'd look at it as more of a case of Moyes going for the best LB we can get who he just happens to know can work with him and who also has proven PL experience.
Christ the way people are reacting you would think we were trying to sign Stephen Hawking to play left back not the Premier League's best left back 2 years running.
Carrick has been much better than Gareth Barry over the last 7 years with half the caps. Comfortably better than Scott Parker too.
I don't see the problem in signing Baines, even if Evra stays. We've been extremely fortunate with Evra's fitness over the years and we were also lucky enough to have O'Shea as a backup. That situation has changed in recent years and if Evra were to get hurt next season, we'd be left with Fabio who in my opinion isn't ready yet and Buttner who doesn't look good enough at this point. Baines would be a significant improvement to what we have as both cover for Evra and a more than adequate replacement for Evra, if he were to be injured or in need of rest.
While 12 million is alot of money for someone who isn't a guaranteed starter, keep in mind how many teams would kill to have a squad with top class replacements like we would have at Center Back and Left Back if we signed Baines.
While 12 million is alot of money for someone who isn't a guaranteed starter, keep in mind how many teams would kill to have a squad with top class replacements like we would have at Center Back and Left Back if we signed Baines.
Well Parker hasn't been a regular for years, and when he was, Carrick was not considered 'comfortably better' than him. It isn't only Redcafe's views of predominantly United fans that counts. Parker was voted player of the year, and if I'm not mistaken, Carrick was out of favour and out of the team for quite a period then.
Also, believe it or not, many people outside the caf (myself not included) actually felt Barry was better than Carrick. He gets a lot of stick on here, but I reckon his 'unsung/unnoticed' work represents the exact hypocrisy of those who believe Carrick to be underrated, largely based on his unnoticed work. When Barry was leaving Villa and involved in a tug of war between Liverpool and City, the consensus in the country was not that Carrick was much better than him. Of course, most of us round these parts thought that, and naturally, we will think everyone else is crazy for not thinking so. That said, Carrick clearly wasn't better than Barry by enough of a margin for it to be un-contestable. Barry would not have been picked for England ahead of Lampard or Gerrard because there was no debate there.
Again, I'd like to re-iterate that I am a fan of Carrick, and personally think he is better than Barry, and he has also had an outstanding season (for the most part). I also have a good memory, and am fully aware the Carrick of this season has not been the same level of performance he has consistently given over the years. People are not mad, if that were the case, everyone wouldn't just decide he is great all of a sudden although he has been doing the same thing for 7 years.
He, himself, has a lot to do with the fact that he has not received the credit he gets now for a longer period. Every season he has generally had a few outstanding months and a few terrible ones. The same people speaking of the injustice were lamenting him during these terrible months. If you search the history of his threads over the past 7 years on here, it would be clear to you, even in the eyes of his own fans, that he hasn't always been that good. I mean the current thread on him in the MU forum started off talking about him being very shit for a while, and of course, ended with him being the best in the world! (exaggeration)
Baines is fine a solid left back currently better than Evra as he is more solid defensive yh but I guess fans want to see a more inspired signing hence the backlash??
Btw Carrick has not been playing like this the last 7 years lets not change history here lads.
Btw Carrick has not been playing like this the last 7 years lets not change history here lads.
It will be more than 12m, since that bid has been rejected.
Baines is more solid than Evra as a defender. Just as good as him going forward AND he is top notch at set pieces. Take the red specs off and be practical about it.
I just don't see the need. Excellent player no doubt, but do we really need to spend £15 million plus on a left back when we have a very good left back in Evra, and 2 serviceable back ups, one who has the potential to be very very good indeed? I'd like to see him here, but we have other areas of the team that need improving first.
I genuinely would worry about that. Baines is a very good player. He gets the ball into the box well and looks clever on the ball. I think he'd be a very good addition. It won't all be Everton Everton Everton
Add to that the likelihood that Monaco's interest is genuine and they intend to give both us and Paddy bundles of Euros for him to have a nice time on the Riviera.
Baines' proficiency at set pieces really could be noticeable boost for us.
Its not Tony Hibbert for god sake. Baines is a quality player but 12 million is the right price for him.
Exactly, would be the perfect move for Patrice as well
People need to realize if we are going after Baines then Evra is probably leaving
Baines is a fine player and would obviously strengthen the squad, if the owners are willing to dig that deep then fair enough in one sense.
The worries are that we need three or four signings in positions that are more necessary, and that, if we can still afford to strengthen left back, a younger man would make more sense.
The worries are that we need three or four signings in positions that are more necessary, and that, if we can still afford to strengthen left back, a younger man would make more sense.
I hope so. I'd hate to see 15m net spend on the left back position and a others have stated he's good enough quality (perhaps higher) and is younger.
Well they have a better left-back than us at least.
For what it's worth, I'd much prefer Luke Shaw to Baines, but Leighton is quality and as good as any in the league I'd say.
It's debatable. Baines is excellent going forward but I have my doubt on him about his defensive aspects of the game.
I think many have similar doubts over Evra.
All the poster stated was that Carrick was much better in the last 7 years then Gareth Barry and Scott Parker. Not exactly controversial. Poster never stated that Carrick's 7 years at the club have all been as outstanding as last season.
I'd say in Carrick's worse season at the club, has been at least on par with what Barry and Parker has offered in the past 7 seasons.
You seem to care a lot, what the rest of the country feels or the views outside Red Café regarding Carrick or the views of football journalists think of Carrick in relation to Barry and Parker, by pointing out that Parker won Players Writers Award, 2 years ago.
I very much doubt that they would say that Carrick has had terrible months in each of the first 6 seasons he has been at the club.
Evra has been pretty good this season at defending - though not at his best - unlike the season before this. Baines dunno, many times I have seen him getting embarrassed. Though he will likely be better at United when there is much more quality in the players around him.
Pretty fair assessment.
Not disagreeing with you that much, cause I think that even a completely out of form Carrick is better than Parker, but Carrick has been very average from 2009-2010 to about mid-season of 2010-2011 (for about 18 months) and that Carrick shouldn't have been in England's team. In his three seasons at us he has been good but not outstanding. In last 2 and a half seasons he has been great while last season he has been brilliant. Couldn't understand for the life of me why he hasn't been called in last EURO.
Baines is decent, apart from his lack of raw talent.
^ Moyes prefers his well done.
We're gonna end up spending £20 odd million on a 28 year old left back who we don't need aren't we?
How good is our backup left back compared to Baines?
I could see the point if he was younger, but at 28 he isn't exactly young either. I'd hope we would go much over the £12m and perhaps look elsewhere if we still couldn't match Everton's asking price. How's Alex Sandro at Porto doing? Was very impressed at the Olympics.
Baines is arguably as good as Evra