Ok, if he was German then, Heinz Bainz
Leighton Baines
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Ok, if he was German then, Heinz Bainz
My arguments still stays.
You're very rarely going to get a guarantee when making a signing. There was no guarantee Evra or Vidic would be able to cope with the PL either. Moyes has worked closely with Baines for several seasons and is in the best position to judge whether he's good enough to play at the very top level.
You're right, we really should be going for somebody like Ashley Cole. He's a mixture of raw talent and ability. Kind of like how a choc ice is a mixture of chocolate and ice cream.
If he was Brazilian he'd be at Cruzeiro and wind up a Shakhtar Donetsk.
Yeah we can't guarantee and transfers have gone both ways, that wasn't my point. Baines has not faced any top European wide player and done well, has he? Surely there can be better alternatives out there, but Moyes knowing him is a fair point. I don't mind buying him, but I just don't agree he's the best we can do or if it is even worth replacing Evra with him when we might as well need to replace Baines in the a couple of seasons.
It's a bizarre stance you're taking.
There are countless examples of players joining United having little experience playing against Europe's elite but have nevertheless gone on to be very successful.
You're pretty much ruling out every player who doesn't currently play at a CL side. It's ridiculous.
Because Baines would be the best of the lot.
We could have hundreds of fullbacks for all the difference it makes. If we have an opportunity to sign somebody better than all of them then why not take it?
Its not just that but yea that is a factor that should make us worry about his future at the club. It can go either ways, but unlike most others I'm not feeling extremely assured by this signing.
This I suspected will happen. The influx of Everton players. I will be shocked if news of going after Fellani does not follow as well (Not that I will mind). He needs people he knows to get a footing. Do we really need a left back? This is already sucking for me.
We have a 32 year old, past his prime left back who has wanted to leave for years. His backups are an almost always injured Brazilian and a nutter gypsy who can't defend. Neither have convinced in the league, let alone in Europe. We could definitely use a new left back.
Bizarre that you could come up with this line of thought, but somehow a simpler, less complicated and less asinine line of thought that United might already know Evra is leaving and are making preparations didn't cross your mind?
Upping our bid according to MEN via Man Utd Stuff. Brilliant, just what we need.
This is a weird one. Have we ever had a bid so openly rejected before?
We need to hurry up and sign Thiago. I think its pretty obvious Evra is on his way out... The pressure of the EPl is probably getting to him now considering he will be 33. Baines is good replacement and perfect time for him to move with the World Cup next year..
Carrick, Hargreaves shall i go on. We've had a few.
Why is it a factor?
Following is a list of current United players and their CL experience prior to joining the first team:
David de Gea: 66mins
Anders Lindegaard: None
Ben Amos: None
Phil Jones: None
Rio Ferdinand: 630mins
Jonny Evans: None
Chris Smalling: None
Nemanja Vidic: None
Fabio: None
Patrice Evra: 1787mins
Alexander Buttner: None
Rafael: None
Anderson: 197mins
Ryan Giggs: None
Michael Carrick: None
Tom Cleverley: None
Darren Fletcher: None
Shinji Kagawa: 354mins
Ashley Young: None
Antonio Valencia: None
Nani: 428mins
Wilfried Zaha: None
Wayne Rooney: None
Javier Hernandez: None
Danny Welbeck: None
Robin van Persie: 2756mins
Out of twenty-six current first team member then, only seven of them had played at all in the Champions League prior to gaining their spot.
The average amount of games played in the Champions League by current United first team members prior to their gaining their spot is 2.66. Prior to our signing RvP this figure stood at 1.54.
Prior CL experience is not something United have ever really sought when selecting members of the first team, and lack of such experience represents no obstacle whatsoever for a prospective first team player.
Spot on.
This place never ceases to amaze. Baines is arguably the best left back in the league - and one who (according to the stats) creates more chances than most midfielders. He's well known to the new manager and has been an integral part of his team, as well as being Everton's best player by a country mile.
People would do well to remember the various players Fergie bought from domestic rivals over the years, most of whom did very well. But, as usual people are complaining because he's 28 (not at all old for a footballer by the way) and will cost more than ten million quid. Fact is good players cost decent money.
Seems like Everton has leaked our interest and bid in Baines.
Don't make sense why they'd do that.
Good post.
Whilst I agree to an extent, there's a difference between signing the best striker in the world who was clearly going to pretty much guarantee us the league, to signing a good left back.
I don't know if things are worse than normal or this nonsense just looks dumber without the actual football as a distraction. This forum at this time of the year really highlights who has and who hasn't a clue about football.
We're replacing one of the finest full backs in the world with a good left back who is just 3 years younger then him. Its basically like replacing Keane with Nicky Butt. Considering that we desperate need of some serious reinforcement in CM and that we're well stocked in left rear flank I dont think that such position should be given top priority.
Honestly I would have rather see us go for Luke Shaw instead. The young full back may not be as good as Baines (let alone Evra) yet but he's got age at his side.
Leighton Baines will be 29 in December. Evra is 32.
If United want to replace Evra then they should look at someone younger.
We could pull another Ashley Young.
If United want to replace Evra then they should look at someone younger.
We could pull another Ashley Young.
That's some pretty heavy and necesary stress to make a point Cina, RVP is not rated globally as high as Falcao and Baines has been cited the best left back in the league over the last 18 months.
He is currently as good on his day as our left back, arguably more consistent and 4 years younger. There is nothing bad about that at all.
And RVP despite it being as clear as day now faced the same bullshit on here last year.
I know you are not saying we should worry, just quoting you to show people struggling to find fault.
Crazy.
What's crazy about that? Isn't Evra world class? Isn't Baines a good player? Wasn't Keane world class? Wasn't Butt a good player too?
Baines has been better than Evra for several seasons.
Who says this is the top priority signing? If Thiago had already been signed would you be calling this a priority? But it was always going to be more convoluted to bid for someone like Thiago than Leighton Baines.
I agree about Baines. It really doesnt make much sense to me to spend such money on someone who is only 3/4 years younger than the person he is being bought to replace. Evra probably has a couple of seasons in him. So when he leaves we are left in the same position, unless by some miracle Fabio suddenly stops getting inuured and becomes top class
I'd have him here... and , as I highly doubt that getting Baines means we literally drop every other transfer and only concentrate on getting him here, for anyone that says we need to strengthen elsewhere, I imagine we will still be doing that.
cnut.
cnut.True, maybe I should've said "in my opinion, the best striker in the world". Certainly the best footballer in the league though and whoever signed him was nigh on guaranteed to win it, I think most agreed with that at the time. I may be stressing here, I just don't think it's a very valid comparison, apart from the fact that people (me included, guilty as charged) also questioned RvP's cost, but then, on the other end of the spectrum, Ashley Young is a ridiculous comparison to use as well.
I'm not against signing Baines by the way, nor would I be worried if we did, he's a pretty safe purchase to make, in that we know if we get him, we'll get a (touch wood) top replacement for Evra, who like Evra, rarely succumbs to injuries and has another three or four years at the top, but still, I don't get the aggression on here to people who (not saying you're one of them, I've barely read the last few pages) question the cost of the transfer.
I disagree. In my opinion Evra is a much better player then Baines.
In my opinion we need two CMs. If we've already have already signed them than that's another issue altogether.
It's been several years since Paddy was world class.
Evra was world class, I don't think you can really say that anymore. Baines has (apart from Cole, in my eyes) been the best LB in the PL for years, better than Evra.
So Evra is one of the finest fullbacks in the world whereas Baines is just a good player?
Perhaps I'm getting confused; you are talking about football, right?
Who said any of this was top priority?
Baines is world class just like many English players are. Happy now?
With so many 'world class' talent around I always wonder how England keeps on underachieved in World cups and Euros.