I'll blow chunks if we sign Baines for anymore than about 10 mill.
Leighton Baines
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So we've had an official bid for Baines turned down which means that Evra knows he is surplus so will be unsettled and that just means we'll have to stump a lot more for Baines. Such good business on our part.
agree with you. good player, no doubt about that but we better splash our money on midfielders. unless evra is leaving and that would be very sad.
We're signing this lad. It's Everton, we'll get what we want.
I'd imagine Evra is leaving, more than likely to Monaco.
I'd imagine Evra is leaving, more than likely to Monaco.
People will care less once we address the midfield issue. No matter what signing is made, the primary want will loom over it (even van Persie was questioned).
Despite that, there's reasons to question it - he's not the youngest, is an upgrade on Evra, but not a hugely significant upgrade for the money that he'll cost. If we were able to get 6+ Million for Evra then I guess I'll be happy with it.
Despite that, there's reasons to question it - he's not the youngest, is an upgrade on Evra, but not a hugely significant upgrade for the money that he'll cost. If we were able to get 6+ Million for Evra then I guess I'll be happy with it.
Put it this way, he offers you everything Evra has the past couple of seasons with the added bonus of being younger, English, and great at set pieces.
Jesus thats a bit of a stretch isnt it.
If it turns out to be the case that we move away from playing with traditional wingers then Baines would arguably be a better fit for the team than Evra. This is mainly due to the fact that he's a far better crosser than Paddy. Evra has been fantastic for us but I don't think it's unfair to say he could have been more productive in terms of goals and assists when you consider the positions he's found himself in over the years.
I don't understand how people can not see that Baines would be an improvement at LB for us. Paddy had a good season last year but for 18 months before that he was pretty woeful by his high standards.
I am a massive fan of Evra but for my money Baines is easily as good as him if not better and certainly offers more in an attacking sense.
It's ok saying what about giving Fabio and Buttner a chance but I don't see either of them progressing much more than the level they are at now, I hope I am wrong but don't see it. Fabio was ok for QPR nothing more and yes I do know behead playing in a poor side but he didn't show me anything to say he can be our next regular LB and Buttner for all his hard
work doesn't look top quality to me.
Baines would be signed as a starter in my opinion and I think he would be an improvement on what we already have, the price tag is a bit too much but that's football these days and for the best and most consistent LB in the country over the last two years it isn't that bad and remember any player we show interest in automatically increases their price by a couple of million.
I am a massive fan of Evra but for my money Baines is easily as good as him if not better and certainly offers more in an attacking sense.
It's ok saying what about giving Fabio and Buttner a chance but I don't see either of them progressing much more than the level they are at now, I hope I am wrong but don't see it. Fabio was ok for QPR nothing more and yes I do know behead playing in a poor side but he didn't show me anything to say he can be our next regular LB and Buttner for all his hard
work doesn't look top quality to me.
Baines would be signed as a starter in my opinion and I think he would be an improvement on what we already have, the price tag is a bit too much but that's football these days and for the best and most consistent LB in the country over the last two years it isn't that bad and remember any player we show interest in automatically increases their price by a couple of million.
I totally agree with you.
Evra got better last year, but he is not the same defensively. Baines might not be as athletic or talented, but his positioning and staying alive in a game has gotten much better. We also forget that at Everton his attacking prowess stands out and hence probably is expected to focus a lot more in attack(which leads him to being caught out of position at times) than he would be needed to at United.
Having said that, I also want to add that Evra is good at getting into good attacking positions, but his final ball is just not good enough. He can't whip crosses in, he either floats them with his side foot or fizzes a grounded ball in, while that is not so bad, Baines can produce very good crosses from the left. It does seem probable that who ever will be playing on our left wing will drift inside quite a bit, in that case, we expect our LB to get into advanced positions. If our LB can produce good crosses from those positions, we have a great attacking outlet there.
I think replacing the current Evra with Baines will be a huge upgrade.
Well this sort of logic can be used on someone like Carrick as well, no? Carrick went through a massive slump himself around 2009 and wasn't wanted by anyone to be in the team, but he improved. Evra was a brilliant player 4 odd years back and we all know he has it in him to perform at the highest level.
I really believe his lack of form was largely due to the fiasco that happened in the 2010 World Cup. He's a passionate man and that his him severely mentally and that showed. He's been really good last season, certainly times better than the season before so if that continues, he'd easily be as good as Baines defensively and his attacking play was anyway tremendous and barring set pieces, at least at par or at times better than Baines. he also developed great chemistry with anyone who played on the left for us.
I am not sure that a left back is as pressing concern as it was a season back. And Baines himself is pretty old and might just decline in a couple of years. Plus I don't think he's defensively the most solid out there. He's solid but we are talking about European oppositions with high caliber wide players, something of which he has no clue how to deal with while Evra has been doing that all his career and once he gets his head sorted which he has shown to have done last season, I really doubt Baines would be any improvement over him, if any.
Lastly Evra captained most games in the season and absolutely loves the club through everything, that's a great quality I'd like to have in a player on the pitch.
He doesn't get injured ever either so it's not like we'd be looking for his backup every second month.
Evra is 32. And he's really let us down in Europe in recent seasons. So your rationale is fatally flawed.
He has and I never denied that, but how can you assume Baines would be a great fit in against the level of players he has never played against?
My point is if we are making a strong stop to improve that area, rather do that with the type of player who's more reliable, experienced and has a bigger chance of succeeding than Baines who can well be a fish out of a water against players like Robben, Di Maria, Neymar and the like.
My point is if we are making a strong stop to improve that area, rather do that with the type of player who's more reliable, experienced and has a bigger chance of succeeding than Baines who can well be a fish out of a water against players like Robben, Di Maria, Neymar and the like.
Baines is a very good player. I'm sorry you can't see that.
that same logic could have been applied during the signing of carrick, we would not have signed him as a result :-)
But he's untested against anything but Premier League quality isn't he? What is the best winger he's kept in his pocket? You say Evra's old and he needs to be replaced. Agreed, but doing it with another 29 year old is nowhere near ideal. I don't think he's defensively great, like Cole was a few years back when he could pocket Ronaldo easily. Baines isn't that quality, or at least hasn't shown that so far due Everton doing feckall all these years.
If I were replacing Evra I'd do it with someone much younger who would give us more than 2-3 years till he reaches Evra's age right now and also someone who has continental experience, which is where we need to be stronger than the last couple of seasons. We are cruising in the league with Evra playing over 30 games as it is.
fecking hell, more doom.
It's hardly surprising is it, replacing a 32 year old LB. Baines has been consistently one of if not the best LB in the league 2 years running.
As for those when say things like 'oh if we get him for X I'll be happy but any more and I wont' wtf? When did fans start basing their judgement on how much a player costs? Are there still people wandering round complaining about the fee for RvP or did they suddenly forget their arguements when he started lashing in the goals?
It's hardly surprising is it, replacing a 32 year old LB. Baines has been consistently one of if not the best LB in the league 2 years running.
As for those when say things like 'oh if we get him for X I'll be happy but any more and I wont' wtf? When did fans start basing their judgement on how much a player costs? Are there still people wandering round complaining about the fee for RvP or did they suddenly forget their arguements when he started lashing in the goals?
I can't be bothered. You just seem to have little understanding of how Unitd operate. Being a proven player in English football, where United play 80% of the games, has always counted for a lot.
Baines would certainly help someone like Kagawa out more due to his superior attacking threat. He actually gets crosses in!
I'm sure David Moyes doesn't give a feck about that tbf.
What continental experience?
It was used to beat down managers, now players too?
It was used to beat down managers, now players too?
I'm struggling to think of a fullback in the game with better crossing and set-piece delivery than Leighton Baines. His delivery is Beckhamesque imo and it's high time United had somebody with such ability to create chances from wide areas; I'd welcome him into the first team with open arms. Fabio can wait as far as I'm concerned; you have to earn a place in the United team, you can't just be gifted it because your brother's quite good.
I don't think that was going to happen Cider. What I will say is Baines is a signing for RIGHT NOW. That shows Moyes' intent to compete immediately not hide behind a player who he can say is 'improving'. He wouldn't try and sign Baines if he didn't think he was good enough. People saying he has never played at this level there are players outside the top 4 who are top 4 quality you know. People mentioning Ashley Cole even the best left back's around now aren't as good as Cole was during his peak. Baines will do well give our attack an extra dimension and he is at least as solid as Evra defensively. Let's be honest before his renaissance this season Patrice was quite poor he is 32 now so we should be looking at a replacement Baines is a couple years too old for me but he is in his peak i'm behind the signing. But I assume until we sign a cm everyone will question the signings we make.I for the life of me cannot understand why Moyes wants to sign the best left back in the league (voted into the team of the year by his fellow pros for the past two seasons) when he is in the absolute prime of his career.
Moyes is losing it already!
Moyes is losing it already!
It'd be a shame to lose Evra. Competition at the LB position seemed to have given Pat a kick up the backside, and he has a very very good season, with no sign of slowing down. I still think Evra is better than Baines, but not by all that much. Still, in Evra you don't just lose his ability. He's lauded as being a huge presence in the dressing room, and whilst he's technically vice captain, he's probably captained United more than any other player for the past few years. That is a big pair of shoes to fill.
He also seems to genuinely love the club, seems to be the first player celebrating with the goalscorer every time, pounding the badge on his chest infront of away fans etc.
Love the guy. Would be sad to lose him. Great player and great character. I still think he's got 2 top seasons in him, but it doesn't look like they will be with us now.
He also seems to genuinely love the club, seems to be the first player celebrating with the goalscorer every time, pounding the badge on his chest infront of away fans etc.
Love the guy. Would be sad to lose him. Great player and great character. I still think he's got 2 top seasons in him, but it doesn't look like they will be with us now.
When did Evra let us down in Europe?
Baines hasn't even played in Europe at this level at the age of 28. He has improved defensively but I don't think he's as solid as some people are trying to make out, he just appeared more dogged in his defending than Evra until this season (where Evra was excellent)
In a year where we've lost Ferguson, Scholes, possibly Rooney and the backroom staff I think it would be unwise to lose Evra as well. Of course all this is void if Evra wants a move away which I couldn't begrudge him after his service.
Fergie would never have been interested in Baines would he?
He started the CL final, so it's not that he has not shown his talent yet.
I wonder why we would be interested in a LB when we have 3 players already covering that position
Nah I don't think so the time to get him has passed when Evra was playing badly and Bale was really establishing his quality a year or two ago.
We don't need to improve in England. We haven't had a problem with Evra with being downright woeful.
Its about Europe, and I don't see how anyone can guarantee who has never even played against that quality of players to comfortably stop them. Its not Jarvis and victor moses he'd have to be dealing with over there.
Jarvis and Moses are the best Baines has been up against are they?
1/5 of his games in the Premier League are against Champions League sides!
If Baines was Brazilian and called Bainzinho people would be creaming themselves
I don't know, you tell me. I asked before as well, what's the best he has succesfully dealt with to give us an idea about how he will do against Europe's finest?
More chance that he'd be playing in an obscure club in Brazil. Only a handful of Brazilians make it to top European clubs, you know.