I agree with you that it's Everton's valuation that matters but I don't think I'd agree he's worth more than £15m to you. With Baines Everton are competing for top 6. Without him you'd probably still be competing for top 8. The difference in league positions you're capable of isn't worth close to that.
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I hope we're signing him because Evra's leaving and not that him signing means we sell Evra.
He created nearly 80 chances for them last season, from left back, he's pretty fecking important.
I bet Moyes wishes he had sold him to United last season 
A very good player but feels a bit unnecessary when we have Evra and I was hoping Fabio would get a chance as well
Doesnt really work that simply imo. He's their best player, they'll try and get whatever they can for him. He's perhaps the only player in their team that is definitely among the cream in the league in his position. Considering we're the buyers, If i was everton, I'd want more than 15mil too.
I think SW is overstating the price, but fans of all clubs do that. We all want 40 mil for Rooney if he leaves but the fact is it's not just our evaluation that matters.
How much Alba go for? I hear Everton fans wanting £20m.
I bet Moyes wishes he had sold him to United last season
He might not have had a good season without Baines, and not got the United job.
I didn't say he wasn't but Everton are a club that need to sell to survive in the financial position they are. Keeping Baines and having the improved league performance that goes with it isn't going to make up a £15m shortfall from a potential sale. The biggest factor in whether they need to sell him or not will be what happens with Fellaini. I'd put good money on one of them leaving this summer.
I'm sure they'll want as much as they can get same as any club. Will they be willing to let a player run down his contract and get nothing though? I doubt it. I can't see Everton getting anything close to £20m for him.
Baines????? Why
He was probably put off because they couldn't master BATE.
Didnt know about the contract situation. How many years has he got left on his contract?
Also depends on our situation. I hope that even if evra's leaving, it doesnt come out till we've made the purchase else the price will go up as they'll know we NEED to sign him,
I think it would be mental to go above £14m for him (if he's even worth that) but we have had a tendency to pay ridiculous amounts for English players in the last few years so it wouldn't surprise me if we did end up paying £20m.
Am i right in saying Moyes is technically still the manager of Everton?
So there is nothing stopping him driving over to Everton and accepting our bid before he takes up the reigns at United
So there is nothing stopping him driving over to Everton and accepting our bid before he takes up the reigns at United
One year according to the Guardian story. Turning down £12m for one more year of him would seem foolish if true.
I hope we dont sign him cause we dont need him. Evra, Buttner, Fabio.
What if Evra leaves?
Baines eh?
Wasn't buying RvP at that age last season considered unusual for us, but was an exception we took because he was a world class addition who we thought could make the difference? Baines isn't a significant upgrade on Evra (his defensive stats rate below evra although his attacking stats are better) so I can't see why we're bidding for him.
Wasn't buying RvP at that age last season considered unusual for us, but was an exception we took because he was a world class addition who we thought could make the difference? Baines isn't a significant upgrade on Evra (his defensive stats rate below evra although his attacking stats are better) so I can't see why we're bidding for him.
Ohh, that changes a lot. 15mil should be the max then. But we did pay 18mil(?) for Young, so who knows.
Evra - Leaving
Fabio - Not ready
Buttner - Not good enough.
If Evra is staying then fair enough but the fact we've bid means we're definitely in the market for a new left back and I only see that happening if Evra is off.
If Evra has chosen to go I can see the logic in Baines except his age.
Don't understand why people say they don't want him. Created more chances than anyone in Europe last season. He's also better defensively than Evra as well.
Three scenarios will play out if we sign Baines.
Scenario 1 - Baines signs before Thiago
"feck sake Mosey! Jewish kid at xmas."
Scenario 2 - Baines signs after Thiago
"Solid signing!"
Scenario 3 - Baines signs and Thiago doesn't
"She cannae take the strain cap'n!"
Scenario 1 - Baines signs before Thiago
"feck sake Mosey! Jewish kid at xmas."
Scenario 2 - Baines signs after Thiago
"Solid signing!"
Scenario 3 - Baines signs and Thiago doesn't
"She cannae take the strain cap'n!"
Would prefer we keep evra over Baines like most.
But if he is to go, we won't get a much better left back.
But if he is to go, we won't get a much better left back.
If we had to pick a left back, certainly from the Premier League, Baines would be very high or quite possibly top of the list. He's not young but I think he's the sort of player who can have a good career well into his thirties.
Now the question is what's going on with the players we've got. Buttner is a non factor, he's unlikely to ever be good enough and he'll never get the playing time here needed for him to improve. I have high hopes for Fabio, but the jury's still out on this one. Maybe we're looking for him to share more time with Rafael on the right, with Jones and Smalling focusing on central positions.
Which brings us to Evra. Like with Heinze and Evra a white back, you can't have Evra and Baines together for more than one year. There's not enough games around for both and someone will be frustrated. But maybe we're looking to get that one final year from Evra. Or maybe he is looking to depart. And if he is, then Baines is a good replacement, though I hope it doesn't become too expensive.
Now the question is what's going on with the players we've got. Buttner is a non factor, he's unlikely to ever be good enough and he'll never get the playing time here needed for him to improve. I have high hopes for Fabio, but the jury's still out on this one. Maybe we're looking for him to share more time with Rafael on the right, with Jones and Smalling focusing on central positions.
Which brings us to Evra. Like with Heinze and Evra a white back, you can't have Evra and Baines together for more than one year. There's not enough games around for both and someone will be frustrated. But maybe we're looking to get that one final year from Evra. Or maybe he is looking to depart. And if he is, then Baines is a good replacement, though I hope it doesn't become too expensive.
Obviously the decisive factor in getting him is whether Evra leaves, and it should only be if Evra actually wants to leave.
7 goals last season in all competitions, i'm assuming a productive number of assists.
I don't know how many of those goals came from set pieces but United could do with improving the conversion rate there
I don't know how many of those goals came from set pieces but United could do with improving the conversion rate there
*Some joke about Barnes*
Baines goals mainly came from the spot or free kicks.
Evra got on the score sheet a few times last season from corners.
Utd are certainly not weak on set pieces.
Pretty much. I think everyone will relax once we sign Thiago, other signings will be a bonus. If we miss out on Thiago the caf will want blood.
I can see this happening:
We will improve our bid to £15m plus Fabio....you heard it here first!
We will improve our bid to £15m plus Fabio....you heard it here first!
10 Assists i think, but 116 chances created. That's playing for Everton who really do not have a decent striker anywhere near there first XI let alone a match day 16. Think he'd lay on bucket loads feeding Van Persie, Chich etc etc
Fabio on loan maybe, no way we give up on Fabio yet though.
Won't happen. Unless it's a loan.
I'm pretty sure with the new tv deal we will be able to hold out for more than £12 million and that it's not AS necessary as before to sell a big name, even if it's for a fee we might not value them at.
To us he is invaluable, so to say we would probably let him go for the region of £15-20 million, isn't unreasonable at all. His contract is until 2015 by the way, so there is 2 years left.
To us he is invaluable, so to say we would probably let him go for the region of £15-20 million, isn't unreasonable at all. His contract is until 2015 by the way, so there is 2 years left.
Baines would only be a short term solution to replacing Evra, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't sign him, if we can get him at a reasonable price. He's probably a better defender than the Evra of today and is undoubtably better going forward. He can actually cross a ball for one.
Fabio needs more time and Buttner can't defend for his life.
Fabio needs more time and Buttner can't defend for his life.
Define short term, Baines is only 28. It's not out of the question he is the player he is right now for atleast another 4 seasons.
Not every player has to be 22 and here for 15 years in order to be value for money.
Am i right in saying Moyes is technically still the manager of Everton?
So there is nothing stopping him driving over to Everton and accepting our bid before he takes up the reigns at United
I know you were joking but, it's the money men that need to okay the bids - plus Roberto is the manager now.
Saw this article floating out there as well http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/216399.html#
I like Baines but, I'd rather he does stay at Everton and we stick with Evra for now and give Fabio/Buttner a chance to prove themselves in the next year or two. If they don't then look at what options are out there.