Leighton Baines

amolbhatia100 said:
This. Too old for my liking. Evra hasn't been good enough to start for us for quite awhile and we need someone with some years ahead of them. I think Baines is decent, nothing more. And his age is an even bigger issue. He's not a young talent. He's not going to get better than decent IMO.

For 5-7 million it would make some sense, not 15.
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5-7m for an England interational in their peaks years is a ridicilious price.

Everton are never going to sell him for that much and it's not close to his market value.

Look at what the likes of Lescott, Milner, Young, Downing, etc, went for and you are going to be alot closer to what Everton will get for with three years left on his contact.

Baines will be 10m plus at the absolute bare minimum and more likely would go between 11-15m which would not be unreasonable. If United want him there going have to be spending in those regions easy.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
5-7m for an England interational in their peaks years is a ridicilious price.

Everton are never going to sell him for that much and it's not close to his market value.

Look at what the likes of Lescott, Milner, Young, Downing, etc, went for and you are going to be alot closer to what Everton will get for with three years left on his contact.

Baines will be 10m plus at the absolute bare minimum and more likely would go between 11-15m which would not be unreasonable. If United want him there going have to be spending in those regions easy.
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The term England international only drives the price up. It's not a sign of quality. I don't think he's very good which is my main issue with this potential signing along with his age which doesn't give much room for longevity or improvement which I think he needs since I don't rate him very highly at 28.

The 5-7 million is what I feel would be apt for him. It's not something i expect due to the English factor. All in all I don't want this deal to happen. He's okay. Replacing evra who used to be utterly brilliant with baines who is decent is a definite step down unless he is to be second choice and we have someone else in mind.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
The term England international only drives the price up. It's not a sign of quality. I don't think he's very good which is my main issue with this potential signing along with his age which doesn't give much room for longevity or improvement which I think he needs since I don't rate him very highly at 28.

The 5-7 million is what I feel would be apt for him. It's not something i expect due to the English factor. All in all I don't want this deal to happen. He's okay. Replacing evra who used to be utterly brilliant with baines who is decent is a definite step down unless he is to be second choice and we have someone else in mind.
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None of that really matters realistically to the transfer figure. Baines is never going to be sold to anyone for a figure close to 5-7m this summer. What's apt for him is the current market rate and 5-7m does not get you a player like Leighton Baines at the moment. The English factor drives the price up for numerous reasons.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
The term England international only drives the price up. It's not a sign of quality. I don't think he's very good which is my main issue with this potential signing along with his age which doesn't give much room for longevity or improvement which I think he needs since I don't rate him very highly at 28.

The 5-7 million is what I feel would be apt for him. It's not something i expect due to the English factor. All in all I don't want this deal to happen. He's okay. Replacing evra who used to be utterly brilliant with baines who is decent is a definite step down unless he is to be second choice and we have someone else in mind.
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England has got two big issues

a) its inability to make ball possession the center of their game.

b) CM (which is basically due to years of underestimating A)

That doesn't mean that they are shit in all areas of their game. For example, their defenders are second to no one and are probably more solid at the back than Spain/Italy.
 
If we spend £15 mill on baines we are mugs.
Evra had a poor season and his defending at times was v poor but do we need to spend such a huge lump of our budget on a replacement when we have fabio. I'd rather get
Clyne on a free from palace and mould him into left sided full back- and then use the 15mill towards buying a
Midfielder and a striker.

My preferences would be Lewandowski or van wolfswinkel up top and either modric/ de rossi in midfield.

Is this Rodriguez any good? 30mill alleged bid I've
Honestly never seen him play
 
yamo123x said:
If we spend £15 mill on baines we are mugs.
Evra had a poor season and his defending at times was v poor but do we need to spend such a huge lump of our budget on a replacement when we have fabio. I'd rather get
Clyne on a free from palace and mould him into left sided full back- and then use the 15mill towards buying a
Midfielder and a striker.

My preferences would be Lewandowski or van wolfswinkel up top and either modric/ de rossi in midfield.

Is this Rodriguez any good? 30mill alleged bid I've
Honestly never seen him play
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I suppose you'd be happy we spent 30m on Rodriguez though wouldn't you
 
Sure he does, played total of 30 games his first season, including 8 sub appearances. And he will get plenty next season after his brilliant link-up play with Ronaldo, no doubt about it. So we can forget about him
 
20 games in the Liga, 8 in the CL and 3 in the Copa del Rey. He doesn't get a game? He's one of the more important members of Mourinho's squad.
 
Bryan_Munich said:
Moyes is reportedly in for Pranjić.
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We were apparently in for him in Jan but Bayern blocked the move. Now he is on a free it will be a good replacement for Baines if he leaves. Heard we were interested in Boenisch of Poland too (also a free agent).

In general, when reading through this thread at some of the posts that have been made, i'd be surprised if some of you are making these judgements if you have seen him in 10+ games in a season.
 
Mainoldo said:
We have Fabio. I swear some of you guys it's like banging against a wall. When has the Cafe become filled with a bunch of Wenger :wenger:

All about the kids.
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It's the FM coming out in everyone, you aren't allowed to sign a player who's only got 5 or 6 years left in him anymore.
 
SilentWitness said:
We were apparently in for him in Jan but Bayern blocked the move. Now he is on a free it will be a good replacement for Baines if he leaves. Heard we were interested in Boenisch of Poland too (also a free agent).

In general, when reading through this thread at some of the posts that have been made, i'd be surprised if some of you are making these judgements if you have seen him in 10+ games in a season.
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It certainly seems to make sense from a financial point of view.

He is 30 though, what other options do you have at LB?
 
We were using Distin when Baines was injured but i think Pranjic makes sense from both a financial and from his age. By the time he is past it Bidwell or Garbutt might have made the step up to the first team.
 
SilentWitness said:
We were using Distin when Baines was injured but i think Pranjic makes sense from both a financial and from his age. By the time he is past it Bidwell or Garbutt might have made the step up to the first team.
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How good is he then? Not really watched Everton much in the last 18 months. I rate Baines higher than most of the posts in this thread.
 
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The Sunday Times suggest we haven't even made an official move for him till now(Look at the last line).
 
KM said:
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The Sunday Times suggest we haven't even made an official move for him till now(Look at the last line).
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Makes me wonder what led to all the original speculation regarding Baines, i always found it a strange one personally. Why buy a LB that is not as good as what we already have, not much younger and far less proven? It only makes any sense if he is going to play ahead of Evra, which i doubt would be the case.

It makes little sense to spend probably between £15-20m on a LB for cover, while we Fabio on loan. Why not simply give Fabio the games Baines would presumably get when Evra was rested, and save ourselves some money that could be better spent elsewhere? I would think another experienced LB pretty much ends any chance of Fryers ever getting a reasonable chance too.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
How good is he then? Not really watched Everton much in the last 18 months. I rate Baines higher than most of the posts in this thread.
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I think he is just as good as Evra...they are both defensively suspect but Baines has an attacking threat which makes up for that. I think offensively Baines beats him because he also has the set piece threat. (I think he's better than any set piece taker you have)

But with Evra you have his leadership and humour which lifts the squad in its own way whereas Baines is more humble (akin to Scholes)
 
SilentWitness said:
We were apparently in for him in Jan but Bayern blocked the move. Now he is on a free it will be a good replacement for Baines if he leaves. Heard we were interested in Boenisch of Poland too (also a free agent).

In general, when reading through this thread at some of the posts that have been made, i'd be surprised if some of you are making these judgements if you have seen him in 10+ games in a season.
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Boenish at United? :lol: he wouldnt get a sniff of first team bench
 
SilentWitness said:
I think he is just as good as Evra...they are both defensively suspect but Baines has an attacking threat which makes up for that. I think offensively Baines beats him because he also has the set piece threat. (I think he's better than any set piece taker you have)

But with Evra you have his leadership and humour which lifts the squad in its own way whereas Baines is more humble (akin to Scholes)
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You think Baines beats Evra offensively as he can take a free-kick? What about the fact he can't dribble comfortably with the ball, is pedestrian as hell, loses possession cheaply (look at his pass completion stats from last season) and is shite in the air?

Evra can do all these things that Baines struggles with. Plus defensively he comfortably won more 50-50 ground and air duels last season, had a better tackle success rate and also won possession for his team more frequently.

Regression or not Evra is clearly the more complete player.

*Edit* And I would argue Giggs is just as good a set-piece taker as Baines.
 
Comsmit said:
You think Baines beats Evra offensively as he can take a free-kick? What about the fact he can't dribble comfortably with the ball, is pedestrian as hell, loses possession cheaply (look at his pass completion stats from last season) and is shite in the air?

Evra can do all these things that Baines struggles with. Plus defensively he comfortably won more 50-50 ground and air duels last season, had a better tackle success rate and also won possession for his team more frequently.

Regression or not Evra is clearly the more complete player.

*Edit* And I would argue Giggs is just as good a set-piece taker as Baines.
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Baines is just as good as Evra is as getting forward and putting in a cross, but even better. He can mix it up between low and high crosses whereas I've only seen Evra make drilled low crosses thatore often than not turn out crap.

If you actually watched us last season (I'm assuming you just googled stats and are regurgitating them) then you will see that the reason Baines has a low pass completion rate/loses the ball is because there was hardly anyone in space for him to get to. Once Pienaar came in he greatly improved and the chances they created together surpassed the chances made by the rest of the team. Give him a solid winger (Nani) and he will be a beast. Ironically it was Gibson too that allowed this freedom for players to roam and pick the ball up more.
 
We didnt need Young but splurged £16m when he only had 1 year left. Everton will screw us for every penny - it will be about £17m.

I just don't know what Fergie seems to be smoking these days when it comes to buying average English players at ridiculous prices.
 
SilentWitness said:
Baines is just as good as Evra is as getting forward and putting in a cross, but even better. He can mix it up between low and high crosses whereas I've only seen Evra make drilled low crosses thatore often than not turn out crap.

If you actually watched us last season (I'm assuming you just googled stats and are regurgitating them) then you will see that the reason Baines has a low pass completion rate/loses the ball is because there was hardly anyone in space for him to get to. Once Pienaar came in he greatly improved and the chances they created together surpassed the chances made by the rest of the team. Give him a solid winger (Nani) and he will be a beast. Ironically it was Gibson too that allowed this freedom for players to roam and pick the ball up more.
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Yeh he can cross a ball, and better than Evra. But that's it really. Everton don't have good wingers who can deliver a ball, therefore relying a great deal on Baines to provide width and a delivery. Evra provides an attacking threat with his pace and direct dribbling, although he can deliver a cross, usually with a lower trajectory and at pace.

Not sure why you would immediately assume I didn't watch Everton last season? A bit defensive really. I watch a lot of football. Stats only tell part of the story but they do back up what I saw from Baines last season. He's a pretty good player but he isn't and shouldn't be Manchester United quality. I don't buy your argument about there being "no one in space." If that's the case you just keep hold of it until there is someone in space..it's simple ball retention and Evra is exceptional at it. You rarely see him waste a pass.

Baines is at his correct level now I feel. He's vital for Everton but not Manchester United.
 
Nobody in space considering Baines is an attacking full back is a nightmare for him. It means he gets closed down from all four corners and has no other options. Considering mostof our threat comes down the left it means the other team will stockpile that side and try to take him out of the game.

I can't help but think that if you sign him it will turn out like Young. Excellent player being written off as not good enough before having a solid season with room to improve at that level.
 
Commadus said:
We didnt need Young but splurged £16m when he only had 1 year left. Everton will screw us for every penny - it will be about £17m.

I just don't know what Fergie seems to be smoking these days when it comes to buying average English players at ridiculous prices.
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You said that yesterday and it was nonsense then.
 
SilentWitness said:
Nobody in space considering Baines is an attacking full back is a nightmare for him. It means he gets closed down from all four corners and has no other options. Considering mostof our threat comes down the left it means the other team will stockpile that side and try to take him out of the game.

I can't help but think that if you sign him it will turn out like Young. Excellent player being written off as not good enough before having a solid season with room to improve at that level.
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Fair enough I get what you are trying to say. He is one of your main attacking outlets so it's natural that opposing teams will look to nulify him.

I do feel that he has pretty much reached his peak though. And that peak is not going to offer United anything exceptional.
 
Comsmit said:
Fair enough I get what you are trying to say. He is one of your main attacking outlets so it's natural that opposing teams will look to nulify him.

I do feel that he has pretty much reached his peak though. And that peak is not going to offer United anything exceptional.
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I get your view too, it is one of those situations where a player looks excellent at their current club and there is no real telling whether they actually will perform to that level at a better club. I think with Baines it could go either way though.
 
Commadus said:
We didnt need Young but splurged £16m when he only had 1 year left. Everton will screw us for every penny - it will be about £17m.

I just don't know what Fergie seems to be smoking these days when it comes to buying average English players at ridiculous prices.
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Give it a rest about Young. Seriously.
 
Lynk said:
Getting Young was fine but he wasn't worth that.
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In the modern day game he's not too far off it. We weren't ever really going to get him for much less. It's debatable whether we needed to sign him or not, but the price is not that debatable. Look at Liverpool. They paid more for an inferior winger in Downing. Spurs paid similar for Bentley a few years back when they signed him too.
 
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