come back when you’ve read my posts.
Laurence Fox feat. Elvis
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come back when you’ve read my posts.
Ignoring anything challenging your bigoted narrow world view as ever.
nope. Again. Read my posts and come back when you’ve picked out me lauding fox as my hero.
that's what he called the woman on question time when she told him he's speaking from a position of privilege
The context is important though. He was more or less parodying the woke left. Also feel like what she said about white men was a lot closer to racism than the Meghan problem. Also since when was Meghan black? I thought she was white?!
I'm surprised you could make that mistake like that considering you have been so right with all of your other posts.
On a more serious note...
Maybe you accepting you misunderstood something so badly will 'wake' you up to your other misconceptions. I suspect not though.
Just reading wiki now. She's descended from enslaved africans on her mothers side. I'm not bothered about race so I don't usually research people heritage before forming opinions. I still don't think I've said anything unusual...internet is crap for communication, I don't even think there is a 'right' answer as such.
So you're telling me you felt comfortable weighing in on the "Meghan problem" without even knowing the very basics of the "problem"? Without even having glanced at her Wikipedia page, to see if there was some context you were missing?
So me not caring about someones race and claiming there is no right answer makes me a narcissist.
Still nobody has come up with any tangible evidence that the uk media racially abused Meghan to the point she left the UK to go to the USA...an even more racist country.
Ok, I've watched it a few times and yes he does use that argument, I feel he had a bit of a point though with the whole white privileged male comment. It's not that I don't think white male privilege exists...I just don't think it's very helpful trying to get people to open up and talk about things. As soon as anybody is told you are X or labelled as something they naturally immediately become more defensive.
Currently trawling through the Meghan potentially racist media...bit of a mixed bag, nothing especially bad it's all a bit subtle if it is there at all. 'exotic DNA' seemed to get a lot of criticism but again there's opinions on both sides. A badly judged joke about royal monkeys from a BBC presenter. a headline saying she is almost straight outta Compton.
sources...
exotic DNA
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...y-Harry-beautiful-bolter-failed-Mum-Test.html
Compton
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...arry-s-girlfriend-actress-Meghan-Markles.html
Compton wiki quick look at demographics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compton,_California#Demographics
Danny Baker Monkey cartoon
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48212693
Original VOX article
https://www.vox.com/first-person/20...e-prince-harry-leaving-royal-family-uk-racism
Lets throw piers Morgan in for fun on the DNA debate.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/13/pier...markle-racist-media-coverage-debate-12048124/
She doesn't start her comment with the white privileged male comment, she starts by stating the treatment of Meghan by the media was racist (it was). Fox doesn't even attempt to say reasons why the treatment may not be racist, other than to say that the UK is the loveliest most tolerant country in Europe, which doesn't mean anything. We may be less racist than some other European nations but we are still an inherently racist society (structurally) and our wealth as a nation was built on the backs of Empire, colonisation and slavery (racist endeavours, or the white mans burden as Kipling put it).
Can you explain why you’ve provided a link to a wiki section on the demographics of Compton?
Yeh, I think one of the things to come out of this is the lack of any reasoning about why something may or may not be racist. The racist history of the UK is inescapable, there needs to be a better way to get the current white wealthy generation to recognise this without telling them to shut up and listen. I know intentions are good but for most it will just come across as being told they are part of the problem when most are far removed from the historical roots of their wealth.
I assumed the Compton comment was referring to black gangs of some sort so I looked up the demographic split in Compton.
And I assume you’ve concluded that the “Straight Outta Compton” thing isn’t really racist because Hispanics are a majority in Compton, is that correct?
No, I just wondered why Compton was a thing...
And I’m still wondering why you felt the need to link to the demographics of Compton. What point was it you were trying to make, or information you were trying to provide?
Well there's an update to this story but if the article was referring to Compton in a racist way then their must have been some reason...demographics isn't a bad place to look.
The update to the story is I didn't know straight outta Compton was a film haha! Gonna have to watch it now aren't I?!
What you (and many others) are saying is basically this: If someone appears unreasonable and prejudiced, it mustn't be pointed out because he or she will "naturally immediately" throw a hissy fit. And if you do, you're a "wokist" who provokes people into becoming right wingers.
That sums up the self-styled universalist, objective, rational, color-blind anti-"woke" attitude so well.
It’s a film, an album, and a song. By NWA. A phrase with a lot of history and connotations behind it.
No, it can be pointed out. But 'you are' statements and 'shut up and listen' statements maybe aren't helpful?
I'll have to listen. I'm a big music fan but rap wise an outsider, love old Eminem and 2001 by Dre is brilliant.
How interesting.
Has anything you’ve learned in the last few minutes caused you to reconsider the nature of that headline?
It's definitely the one article that I'd agree is racist. Do you think it's harmful though? So difficult to quantify how we get from a lazy stereotype headline to people discriminating to the point of limiting groups opportunities, if that makes sense?
Except that's where the hissy fits usually start when it comes to white privilege. It's a "don't mention the war" thing.
No one said "shut up and listen" to Fox in that video, absolutely no one. You are making things up.
I wasn't clear, I was referring to comments made by certain members in this thread.
You know it's one of the most frustrating things when you experience racism as a mixed race person and people tell you that it can't be that as you look white. I'm speaking from experience. Actually you clearly wouldn't know that. You'd do well to pay more attention to people who actually experience this shit rather than bigoted charlatans like Fox.
A lot of people spent a lot of words to reasonably explain the basic arguments. Seems like all that stuck was "shut up and listen". The problem is not them.
Also, what about the first part of my post? Any opinion on that?
I didn't say it can't be racism. I was surprised to hear Meghan referred to as a black women. People seem to have the impression Fox is my hero. I don't particularly like the guy, he comes across as a bit arrogant and he's got so little to do with his life he's started a party to point out opinions that are really more suited to a bit of debate over a few pints down the local. It's weird.
This is a great post, shame it was wasted on its intended audience.
any debate as to whether the DM coverage is racist was surely ended when they did an article showing how she descended from cotton slaves
but Fox did retort with "we're a lovely country" so...
but Fox did retort with "we're a lovely country" so...
ARTICLE: David Mitchell on Laurence Fox
Apparently he now wants to cancel Sainsbury's as he thinks they are racist?
What happened to all that freedom of speech guff he is going on about or the whole cancel culture bollocks?
David Mitchell just wrote an article about the Reclaim Party and it seems confused at best:
It really seems as though he is for free speech when it suits..
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/04/hands-up-who-takes-laurence-fox-seriously
What happened to all that freedom of speech guff he is going on about or the whole cancel culture bollocks?
David Mitchell just wrote an article about the Reclaim Party and it seems confused at best:
It really seems as though he is for free speech when it suits..
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/04/hands-up-who-takes-laurence-fox-seriously
What an absolute cock
Owning Sainsburys by doing exactly what Sainsburys told him to do.
Genius.
Genius.
what a fecking pillock
I made the same point about him, I didn't knew who he was a few months ago but since then I have discovered that he is a whiny little creature. How can you be an artist, someone that is routinely and arbitrarily judged at work and have such a thin skin. The other week he was crying on twitter about a friend deciding to not see him again, is he new to life?