Well, Mourinho also parked a quite big bus (in his own words "an aeroplane) against Barca in 2010.
La Liga 2013-2014
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On what basis exactly? And it is not Guardiola per se that they will be facing, it will be Bayern Munich.
First of all I cant image a scenario, where Chelsea advances to he finals. The 0:0 was a pretty terrible result for them. They have to commit someone forward and at this point Atletico also has a chance to score. Their only way to win this clash is with a 1:0 or 0:0+pens. I really dont think that thats going to happen.
The final will be wide open. Real/Bayern will be clearly the favorites, but not by much.
The final will be wide open. Real/Bayern will be clearly the favorites, but not by much.
So? They already played in the Super Cup and despite Bayern dominating and having the much better team, they could only win on pens.
I think that Chelsea do have a very good chance of making the final, Atletico for all their unbelievable run this season, remain a somewhat limited side, and Chelsea will be better rested as well.
Apropos the final, Real/Bayern will be clear-cut favourites no matter who they will be facing...
What makes you so confident that the CL final will be a carbon copy of the UEFA Super Cup? All games are different in football. Except if it's Barca v Chelsea. That combination can only result in 85% possession for Barca and 11 defenders for Chelsea.
Calm down! I never said it would be a carbon copy. It's just my opinion that I trust RM more against Chelsea than a Bayern led by Guardiola! Noone said Bayern would have no chance, it's a final after all!
Well, it's good that you give Bayern a chance in the final!
I think that either of Chelsea/Atletico, will park the bus no matter who they face in the final. So, imo at least, whatever the combination of the final may be, it will be the better team (Real/Bayern) against a parked bus (Chelsea/Atletico)
The term 'parking the bus' is clearly overused.
It's not actually.
We have been facing nothing but since 2009, and now Bayern are as well. It has become a legitimate way of playing for big clubs in the Champions league since Chelsea used it against us in the 09 semi.
There's a significant difference between 'parking the bus' and having a well organised defense and looking to score on the counter. Inter's 3-1 win against Barca in 2010 wasn't a parked bus, Mourinho's tactic in the return leg after they went down to 10 men clearly was.
Yes, after our bus ride from Barcelona to Milan, Inter had a massive advantage in terms of stamina in that game and completely overrun us for large parts of the game. They also scored an awesome goal through Milito's head! Since mid 08/09 season, 98% of our games have been against parked buses. Trust me, I have watched them down to the very last one. Bayern are dealing with the same situation right now.
But yes, if you are trying to a draw a distinction between the Chelsea and Real approaches in the recent semis, then I definitely get your point. Real Madrid played excellent football, Chelsea made you wanna slice your wrists with a cut Diet Coke can...
Yeah, Even Chelsea did not use a parked bus against Barca in 09. They had more goal scoring chances at Bridge for starters. Defending with 8 players is not a parked bus if you commit 2-4 players forward for every CA. Parked bus is when you defend with the whole team with one player breaking forward at best.. like what Chelsea did in 12 against both Barca and Bayern. Though how Barca conceded a CA goal to a 10 man Chelsea who had parked the bus is something they can answer for themselves.
I really hope we play well against Bayern and get the result and that things don't go tits up after all the hard work in the first leg
Yeah, Even Chelsea did not use a parked bus against Barca in 09. They had more goal scoring chances at Bridge for starters. Defending with 8 players is not a parked bus if you commit 2-4 players forward for every CA. Parked bus is when you defend with the whole team with one player breaking forward at best.. like what Chelsea did in 12 against both Barca and Bayern. Though how Barca conceded a CA goal to a 10 man Chelsea who had parked the bus is something they can answer for themselves.
What chances did they have at the Bridge exactly? Before Abidal got wrongly sent off?
Let's not open that can of worms again. Barca got that CL final handed to them on platter by the ref
Couldn't watch the game but I've just seen the two Ronaldo goals.
Mother of god.
Mother of god.
I didn't ask you about ref, I asked for a list of the Chelsea goalscoring chances before Barca went one man down.
Great goals both, but the first one was offside: http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20140...sasuna-era-en-fuera-de-juego_54406380236.html
I have a feeling we will do it. I'm strangely confident about it, altough don't count out this Bayern, especially at the Allianz.
Ronaldo will get us the important away goal, I believe it's his time. They'll make it 2-1 in around the 80th minute and we'll be left with more than enough time to give me a heartattack at the end.
Interesting to hear Ancelotti say that it'll be back to 4-3-3 on Tuesday if Bale is fit. Bold move, it'll definitely help with the aim of getting an away goal but you have to wonder whether it's a riskier decision than he needs to be making with the 1 goal advantage you already have.
err any pens denied to them by the ref also count as chances and in any case why only chances created before the sending off are relevant? Before the sening off Drogba had a great chance to score anyway which he blundered, more than anything Barca managed all night before the Iniesta wonder goal.
True, although the formation is not as important as the characteristics of the players is imo. If the players are disciplined then it should be ok. Ronaldo and bale will have to work hard. If you have great players like that playing well, working for the team and tracking back then you will be hard to beat. I really hope we win and get to the final
True indeed. My concern (well, probably the wrong word as I want Bayern to go through
) would be that they might overload the wings which will make it harder for you to counter, unless you're suicidal and decide to leave Bale and Cristiano up the pitch. Plus Bale has been guilty a few times of being lazy defensively, which cost you in a few of the bigger games. It's a manageable problem, but I'd be sticking with the same set up as last time if possible.True. Hopefully he doesn't decide to change his boots againTrue indeed. My concern (well, probably the wrong word as I want Bayern to go through
¿qué pasa? what did he do? did he change his boots and you conceded a goal? which game was it?
When you play with 10 men away from home and chasing the scoreline, you are bound to concede a few chances to the opposition, especially since Hiddink Chelsea was far better than Di Mateo Chelsea or Jose Chelsea of 2014. I will not comment on the penalty claims as such, but they were not on the end of scoring chances for Chelsea. Drogba had a very good free-kick from a wide area that Valdes saved well. Their best chance was after the Abidal sent-off with Anelka, again excellent Valdes save. The Iniesta goal, although fluky, was still less so than Essien's. Essien's good fortune has not been matched until Diego a few weeks back
Sevilla.
Sevilla away. He left the pitch to change his boots and we conceded a goal during that moment. It was late in the game as well and we ended up losing 2-1
Vela's had an amazing season. Major progress since he joined La Real in 2011. His 14th goal in 32 starts (with 11 assists). He has contributed to 43% of La Real's goals in La Liga, winning 27 points -- 47% of La Real's total -- with his goals and assists. His all-around level has been amazing and if he had better teammates he would get more credit. I can't think of a more influential right winger in La Liga this season.
You mean aside from the four penalties that were ignored, any of which would have been given on another day?
Ronaldo is the first Real Madrid player ever to score at least 30 league goals in four consecutive seasons. What an absolute animal this man is, I think he's in his absolute prime at the moment, he can't get any better than this surely?
gracias. I didnt watch the game, but I saw the goal and wondered why Pepe was completely out of position. I thought it was one of his brain farts, but Bale being out explains the situation. Anyway. I think being offensive isnt a mistake. Actually it could turn out to be a brilliant move. Alaba usually plays high up the pitch, but that also opens up space behind him; usually he can recover due to his great athleticism, but against Bale thats not really an option. So either he is not going forward as much as he wants to or counters are even more dangerous.
I really look forward to the match. Could be the best match of the season.
You mean like Pique's ball-to-hand from half a yard away?
You know what, I don't even care. Discussions with you are like eating razor-blades.
He's been excellent indeed since coming to Spain, showed a "playmaking" side to his game that I didn't really notice in his time at Arsenal (although because of his limited game time there that's not saying much). A lot more influential than Griezmann who has been outstanding in his own right this season. Unfortunately for them, Xabi Prieto can't ever seem to maintain his level for consecutive seasons and Rubén Pardo isn't ready yet to take over the MF mantle, although he's done alright. Not to mention the breakdown of their defensive organization, which was superb last season and downright scandalous for the majority of the 1st half of this season (missing Illarra + backline rotation). Don't know what the deal is with Canales (permanent transfer or loan?). If it's the former, could be interesting to see Canales get integrated over an entire season rather than just a couple of months -- if, and that's maybe a big if, Griezmann stays. The hype surrounding him certainly seems to have died down, while it strangely never even got started in Vela's case.
Susaeta close 2nd for best RW in La Liga this season IMO -- less influential to the results, but I'd say equally influential in his side's level of performance...
When you play with 10 men away from home and chasing the scoreline, you are bound to concede a few chances to the opposition, especially since Hiddink Chelsea was far better than Di Mateo Chelsea or Jose Chelsea of 2014. I will not comment on the penalty claims as such, but they were not on the end of scoring chances for Chelsea. Drogba had a very good free-kick from a wide area that Valdes saved well. Their best chance was after the Abidal sent-off with Anelka, again excellent Valdes save. The Iniesta goal, although fluky, was still less so than Essien's. Essien's good fortune has not been matched until Diego a few weeks back
I don't think Iniesta's goal was flukey, he knew what he was doing unlike Essien. But before that you did not look like scoring even if you had played another 90 mins. Even before the sending off it was the same.
Considering Iniesta's record with shooting (the only serious weakness in his game) it was fluky that he did manage to pull off what he was aiming to, especially considering the occasion as well as the timing.
On your second point, I totally agree that Chelsea completely denied us any kind of chances in that game. That was by far the most effective defensive performance I have seen against us, ever. In 2009, as well as 2012 we had to face Real Madrid in between the Chelsea semis, so maybe, that affected the players somewhat. But even in the first leg, we had very few chances, 2009 I mean. The 2012 Chelsea performance was far poorer by comparison, and only seemed effective because the Barcelona players completely fecked up their numerous chances, plus were atrocious in the 2 instances in the entire tie that they had to do a minimum of defending. This season, Atletico were the ones to really frustrate us, but still we had some very good chances against them, but still (outside of Neymar) failed to take them.
Yeah Chelsea 09 and Intern 11 remain the best performances against Barca at their peak. Chelsea 12 was more down to Barca fumbling about than Chelsea.
For me, it will always be Chelsea in 2009. Inter were fortunate to face a fatigued Barca at the San Siro in 2010 and then had something massive to protect in the 2nd leg. Chelsea had nothing, or very little to protect, but just shut us out almost completely out. I don't like their game one tiny bit, but I will give them the title as masters of negativity for sure. They are mostly rubbish in everything else though, when it comes to facing proper opposition of course. Atletico conceded a few chances against us, but still defended very well overall, and also created very good chances of their own over both legs. That was commendable, especially from a relatively poor club. Real Madrid played very defensively against Bayern the other day, especially during the first half, but still managed to pull off some electric counters. That kind of defensive football, is much easier to accept, or even admire.