Kylian Mbappe | PSG

I have no doubts in my mind he will become best player in the world in future 5-10 years.

But whether he can match Ronaldo and Messi record/level/legacy remain to be seen. You also need insane level of consistency, longetivity, trophies and luck to match that. But he has started off brightly.
 
Michael Owen score almost the same in that age, playing for "only" Liverpool and tougher league.

Edit: great mind think alike @Raoul
 
Isotope said:
Michael Owen score almost the same in that age, playing for "only" Liverpool and tougher league.

Edit: great mind think alike @Raoul
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Also, Fat Ron had something like 100 goals by the age of 19 and still wound up with about 200 less career goals than CR7 and Messi, who are of course still going strong for a few more years.

I feel like comparing emerging players to either Ronaldo or Messi is often the kiss of death as they are almost 100% not going to reach their levels for any protracted period of time, which will only result in the young hyped player being somehow perceived as having underachieved.
 
The irony of Neymar going to PSG to be the de facto star man and then having his limelight ripped away from him by 19yr old World Cup winner Mbappe who many see as the truer successor to the BPITW crown, cannot go amiss.
 
Raoul said:
Also, Fat Ron had something like 100 goals by the age of 19 and still wound up with about 200 less career goals than CR7 and Messi, who are of course still going strong for a few more years.

I feel like comparing emerging players to either Ronaldo or Messi is often the kiss of death as they are almost 100% not going to reach their levels for any protracted period of time, which will only result in the young hyped player being somehow perceived as having underachieved.
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Fat Ron played in a weak Brazilian league, but if it wasn't for his injuries he would have probably at the very least matched what CR7 and Messi did. I think comparing Mbappe's stats may be setting him up for disappointment, but he's already done what CR7 and Messi never did, score in knockout stages of a world cup. I think he has all it takes to challenge the legends of the game.
 
Fortitude said:
The irony of Neymar going to PSG to be the de facto star man and then having his limelight ripped away from him by 19yr old World Cup winner Mbappe who many see as the truer successor to the BPITW crown, cannot go amiss.
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I know, it's hilarious! They look like best friends all over social media, but knowing Neymar a hissy fit is always around the corner. My guess is one of them will end up at Real eventually, once Neymar hands PSG the ultimatum. :lol:
 
Seven Seas Sardines said:
I know, it's hilarious! They look like best friends all over social media, but knowing Neymar a hissy fit is always around the corner. My guess is one of them will end up at Real eventually, once Neymar hands PSG the ultimatum. :lol:
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I think Mbappe will go to Real Madrid before Neymar. Neymar is locked with PSG for a solid four years, he can try an ultimatum but I think he knows what he signed up for beforehand, it won't work with PSG.
 
Sayros said:
Fat Ron played in a weak Brazilian league, but if it wasn't for his injuries he would have probably at the very least matched what CR7 and Messi did. I think comparing Mbappe's stats may be setting him up for disappointment, but he's already done what CR7 and Messi never did, score in knockout stages of a world cup. I think he has all it takes to challenge the legends of the game.
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He's more in the Henry category - talented teenager who won a WC with France and scored a few goals in the process. Invoking Ronaldo and Messi has far too much baggage for any young player to take on.
 
Raoul said:
He's more in the Henry category - talented teenager who won a WC with France and scored a few goals in the process. Invoking Ronaldo and Messi has far too much baggage for any young player to take on.
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That's fair enough, I'm on the side where he is good enough that I'll ride that train, might it crash or not down the road. Henry scored an important penalty against Italy, but other than that he scored in games that were locked and dusted. As I said, speaking solely on the world cup, he has already surpassed Messi and CR7.
 
Raoul said:
He's more in the Henry category - talented teenager who won a WC with France and scored a few goals in the process. Invoking Ronaldo and Messi has far too much baggage for any young player to take on.
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Nah, Mbappe's on a completely different level to Henry's in '98. Think only R9 and Messi were that good at 19.
 
Sayros said:
I think Mbappe will go to Real Madrid before Neymar. Neymar is locked with PSG for a solid four years, he can try an ultimatum but I think he knows what he signed up for beforehand, it won't work with PSG.
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Well the ultimatum would obviously be "me or him!". Maybe Real will get rid of Bale next Summer to make way for Mbappe.
 
One of the best forwards in the world now, not just in the future. Far more than a sprinter or whatever some were trying to dismiss him as just a week ago.
 
Obviously a great player but a long, long way to go before his name can be placed anywhere near Messi or Ron. Lets have this conversation in 10 years time.
 
The most impressive part of his game is his attitude. Didn't he start as striker and as left winger at Monaco? Barely made any noise when had to play as right winger and looks one of the best in the world in that position.

Hopefully few of our players takes note of that.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Keeper should have saved that goal. Not sure what the hell he was doing.
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I'm not that affirmative, Subasic is masked by Vida, Mbappé faints to go right and then go back left while Vida masks the movement and then he strikes the ball fairly hard on the ground which is the worse for goalkeepers.
 
Barring the obvious talents, he seems like a down-to-earth guy, a great character.

Barring any serious injury, long stagnation or bad choices, any greatly overlooked character flaw or lots of bad luck, barring all these, it just seems obvious, nay, final, where this guy is headed.
 
JPRouve said:
I'm not that affirmative, Subasic is masked by Vida, Mbappé faints to go right and then go back left while Vida masks the movement and then he strikes the ball fairly hard on the ground which is the worse for goalkeepers.
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Poor anticipation and reactions. He didn’t even get down. No keeper would be happy with that.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Poor anticipation and reactions. He didn’t even get down. No keeper would be happy with that.
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It doesn't mean that he should have saved it and he went down but it was too late because he was moving to his left, you can't actually change your lateral direction that fast. It's just well played by Mbappé who used Vida's positioning to faint right and shoot left and down, which again is the worst type of shots for goalkeepers, a shot mid height or high would have been easier for the GK. Also there is a rebound half a meter before the GK.
 
Adisa said:
Fecking outrageous player. You can't really call him a flair player. He's not the most skilful player, but I have never seen a young player with such explosive pace and most importantly, knowledge of how to use his pace. He always knows where the space is. As soon as he gets the ball, he's on his bike.
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He's actually got plenty of tricks in his locker. I remember watching Lyon vs PSG on a crappy stream and, at times, I mistook M'bappé for Neymar with the stuff he was pulling off. Incredible technique.
 
Isotope said:
Michael Owen score almost the same in that age, playing for "only" Liverpool and tougher league.

Edit: great mind think alike @Raoul
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PL back in the day is not that tough a league. Serie A was top league. La Liga and Bundesliga were no less competitive with arguably more quality. Without our CL in the Treble season, PL ain't much of a force when it comes to Europe, let alone international tournament.

Mbappe was key player helping Monaco to overcome such dominating team like PSG. Winning WC being a key player is special.

Development ain't linear of course, so expecting him to continue his crazy track through his career is naive, but he is more Brazilian Ronaldo kind of player at this age, which edged CR and Messi.
 
Raoul said:
He's more in the Henry category - talented teenager who won a WC with France and scored a few goals in the process. Invoking Ronaldo and Messi has far too much baggage for any young player to take on.
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Henry didn't do that much during the WC98, barely even played in the final 3 games - Mbappe was one of France's best players over the whole tournament.
 
Isotope said:
Michael Owen score almost the same in that age, playing for "only" Liverpool and tougher league.

Edit: great mind think alike @Raoul
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Owen also went on to become the youngest player besides Ronaldo to ever win a balon d'or.

Think people forget what an outrageous talent he was before injuries set in.
 
He's one player that deserves to break the bank for him.

Hope we are in contention if he's to leave PSG. Would be tough to beat Real or Barca for his signature, but should at least give it a try.

Can play on the right wing as well.
 
B20 said:
Owen also went on to become the youngest player besides Ronaldo to ever win a balon d'or.

Think people forget what an outrageous talent he was before injuries set in.
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This. And i'd also add Pato to this list

R9 at 19 was the best player in the world though. R9 at 19 might've been the best player in the world right now. Seriously, pelé aside nobody else comes close to comparing, at that age
 
giorno said:
This. And i'd also add Pato to this list

R9 at 19 was the best player in the world though. R9 at 19 might've been the best player in the world right now. Seriously, pelé aside nobody else comes close to comparing, at that age
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Yup, and he did it against defences which actually knew how to defend.
 
I don't think it's easy to predict a linear appreciation in a players effectiveness, especially when their main attribute is pace. We have seen so many talents progress in unexpected ways including Rooney, Owen, Ronaldo, Torres. Lately we have had Shaw, Odegaard, Martial and Renato Sanchez. Mbappe scored 13 goals in a very dominant PSG team in a very easy league last year at the age of 18/19. Nothing says that this will double and triple in the next few years, which it would need to do to be the heir to Ronaldo or Messi.

He could easily stand still for a year or two and then suddenly he will be the 21 year old that needs to score more than 13 goals in a league season
 
It’s easy to forget he’s being played out of position. Probably could be even better on the left or behind Giroud.
 
kouroux said:
All playing at a position that isn't his best. He's showing that players need to stop being babies and step up wherever they're asked to play
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I can't imagine how strong our team will be if Deschamps decide to let him play on le left side... I hope it will be the case for the Nations League. It's the perfect opportunity to offer a proper offensive game, we want to say "come on DD, get some balls and let the kids play together (mbappé, dembélé, coman/lemar/martial)
 
Crashoutcassius said:
I don't think it's easy to predict a linear appreciation in a players effectiveness, especially when their main attribute is pace. We have seen so many talents progress in unexpected ways including Rooney, Owen, Ronaldo, Torres. Lately we have had Shaw, Odegaard, Martial and Renato Sanchez. Mbappe scored 13 goals in a very dominant PSG team in a very easy league last year at the age of 18/19. Nothing says that this will double and triple in the next few years, which it would need to do to be the heir to Ronaldo or Messi.

He could easily stand still for a year or two and then suddenly he will be the 21 year old that needs to score more than 13 goals in a league season
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That's the thing though, his pace is a weapon but it's not what makes him the most effective.

He's got ice in his veins, seems to make the right decision every time and always hits the target. His movement is really good and he has a great work ethic. His brain is like a 30 year old.

Even if he slows down a little he will be a top class striker as he's goal hungry.
 
At the moment I'd put Odegaard in the Adu class.....than with the others. What the hell has he even done yet? Even Renato was kind of decent in a Euros - although not all that great.

Mbappe though, not seen the kind of maturity on the field that he shows with the decisions he makes since, well, maybe Messi and at times Rooney in their teen years. But Mbappe has physical attributes above the pair of them, but obviously a bit behind Messi in other aspects. He's shown it in the CL and now a World Cup. He may not become a 50 goal scorer....he probably won't have too, the game should soon start to evolve from those kind of stats in a post Messi/Ronaldo era, I think, but maybe not. We'll see.
 
Schneckerl said:
Henry didn't do that much during the WC98, barely even played in the final 3 games - Mbappe was one of France's best players over the whole tournament.
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Fair enough, but that doesn't mean he should be compared to Ronaldo or Messi given how good the latter two have been for well over a decade. That's the true marker that is invoked by bringing up their names.
 
Treble said:
Nah, Mbappe's on a completely different level to Henry's in '98. Think only R9 and Messi were that good at 19.
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But really, who cares how good someone is at 19 when they are 19 since they are only just embarking on their career. If a player is 33, then its a bit more interesting to look back at their arc to see how they progressed from 18/19 onwards.
 
Marat said:
I can't imagine how strong our team will be if Deschamps decide to let him play on le left side... I hope it will be the case for the Nations League. It's the perfect opportunity to offer a proper offensive game, we want to say "come on DD, get some balls and let the kids play together (mbappé, dembélé, coman/lemar/martial)
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Futur is bright but no sure Deschamps will be open to changes like that. Giroud needs to be ditched now. Time for a little switch
 
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