It's good for the player to walk out free (and pocketing massive sign in fee on next contract), it sucks for the Club and fans.
Kylian Mbappe | PSG
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It's good for the player to walk out free (and pocketing massive sign in fee on next contract), it sucks for the Club and fans.
I don't think Schweinsteiger would be elevated more even if he moved to that good United sides and winning trophies. He was exceptional in domestic League, CL, Euro and World Cup. Really not much he could do to better them, unless he moved to an unfancy Club and single-handedly won them big trophies.
Or when he moved to United, and started scoring 20 goals a season regularly.
Is the Real Madrid rebuild a good enough option though? That midfield, for all its class for around a decade, is ageing fast. A completely new defense yet to bed in.
If Hazard could recover his form and fitness, it would be a tasty forward line for sure, but they seem to be at least a year or two from having a truly top team again. So perhaps if they get him on a free, with some money to spare on other issues in the team in the meantime it's a flyer.
Just don't want him to go to Liverpool or City, who are both better teams currently, with better managers.
If Hazard could recover his form and fitness, it would be a tasty forward line for sure, but they seem to be at least a year or two from having a truly top team again. So perhaps if they get him on a free, with some money to spare on other issues in the team in the meantime it's a flyer.
Just don't want him to go to Liverpool or City, who are both better teams currently, with better managers.
It still seems like a very difficult signing . In case He is not sold this year, they still have one year to try to convince him.
The arguments I imagine are what Khelaifi has used in his interviews, the super competitive project and the fact of being French, promoting the French league, etc.
Donnaruma, Achraf, Ramos, Wijnaldum, Camavinga ?. The project is going well for the moment.
Imagining that they decide to sell him this year, because Mbappe has been very clear in public or in private, Madrid will have to sell several players to be able to pay 150 or whatever they ask for.
And the salary? Can PSG reach 35 million net ?. Even with concessions on image rights, I don't see Madrid paying more than 25.
That is giving up a lot of money on a long contract. On the other side of the scale is the fact of having a team at will to unleash that supposed vanity, without having to share it with Neymar
The arguments I imagine are what Khelaifi has used in his interviews, the super competitive project and the fact of being French, promoting the French league, etc.
Donnaruma, Achraf, Ramos, Wijnaldum, Camavinga ?. The project is going well for the moment.
Imagining that they decide to sell him this year, because Mbappe has been very clear in public or in private, Madrid will have to sell several players to be able to pay 150 or whatever they ask for.
And the salary? Can PSG reach 35 million net ?. Even with concessions on image rights, I don't see Madrid paying more than 25.
That is giving up a lot of money on a long contract. On the other side of the scale is the fact of having a team at will to unleash that supposed vanity, without having to share it with Neymar
People are actually using Euro 2021 to say Mbappe is nowhere near Messi at his age and all that like Messi didnt go 5 games with no goals at WC 2010
Messi with no goals isnt the same as Mbappe with no goals is it? But I do get your point.
The only way I'd compare Mbappe with Messi is if he reaches Messi's goalscoring numbers. If not, there's no conversation in my book.
Anyone else here think we should make a cheeky two million Euro bid for him?
No. As much as i want him to leave PSG, why would he? It's safer for him to stay one more year. He gets to play with Ramos and maybe try to win the CL one last time with PSG now that they have upgraded their defence with Donnaruma, Ramos and Hakimi. He can still leave next year if he negotiates his contract right.
He's had better goalscoring numbers than Messi at the same age every season except 19/20 due to Ligue 1 being cancelled. Was still on track to get more though
That's true, Mbappe has had awesome numbers. Messi wasnt really a striker though at that age but fair enough.
People comparing them at all is really weird, and an extremely long reach, regardless of Euro 2021 or WC 2010. Messi at 18 was better than 22 year old Mbappe, to compare the both of them at 22 is just offensive.
No doubt that 18 year old Messi was far more naturally talented than Mbappe. Mbappe has hit impressive numbers for his age though and already has a WC and several memorable performances under his belt though. There is no comparison between 22 year old Mbappe and 22 year old Messi though. Messi was always so much more than a goalscorer that he was already one of the most exciting young talents ever way before he became a goalscoring freak.
Messi at 18 was a substitute player for Ludovic Giuly.
Just stop it. Messi at 18 wasn't even better than Mbappe at 18 let alone current Mbappe
"Forward" is a little bit misleading here. Messi has never played as a striker like Mbappe and I'm pretty sure Mboy has never hit anywhere close to Messi's assist stats.
I think even from 18 Messi's play was stunning. I think we all weren't sure if he was going to continue to develop or sustain those levels, but overall his unfolding has been stunning. Messi never looked like he was going to be a volume goalscorer, but when Ronaldo came into the league and started destroying records.. I don't know, between Barca and Messi, who decided, but they just had him do the same as well.
Mbappe feels more like an Owen than a Messi right now, but let's see where this goes.
I think even from 18 Messi's play was stunning. I think we all weren't sure if he was going to continue to develop or sustain those levels, but overall his unfolding has been stunning. Messi never looked like he was going to be a volume goalscorer, but when Ronaldo came into the league and started destroying records.. I don't know, between Barca and Messi, who decided, but they just had him do the same as well.
Mbappe feels more like an Owen than a Messi right now, but let's see where this goes.
You guys are still the only destination that makes sense for Mbappe (besides staying at PSG). And you now have 12 months to figure out how to pay him. The financials to move him this summer are simply not there and IMHO Mbappe will take the next season to figure out if he wants to stay at PSG or move to Real.
I wouldn't rule out Chelsea. Mbappe has talked very positively about Tuchel on various occasions. They are apparently looking for a striker and Mbappe would be like Werner with great finishing, so they wouldn't even need to change the system in comtrastbto bringing in a more static striker like Haaland or Lukaku. They also have just won the UCL. If they repeat that with Mbappe in the team, he's almost guaranteed a Ballon D'Or. Chelsea also has the financial muscle to pull this off.
I don’t agree. Mbappe wants to be THE superstar. He cannot achieve that at a club with close to zero flair like Chelsea.
There are only two tier one clubs (obviously Real and Barca) and those will be his favorite destination should he choose to leave.
PS: please don’t respond with a wall of text explaining why you are correct. Thank you.
No worries. You're correct, Real Madrid has a different flair to all the others clubs. I just wouldn't rule Chelsea out completely. Might be the quicker route out of Paris and he could win international silverware and prove himself in the best league in the world before moving to Madrid, like CR7 did for instance.
Let's see then? In all comps at club level
18 y.o Mbappe : 26 goals 11 assists
18 y.o Messi : 8 goals 3 assists
19 y.o Mbappe : 21 goals 16 assists
19 y.o Messi : 17 goals 3 assists
20 y.o Mbappe : 39 goals 15 assists
20 y.o Messi : 16 goals 13 assists
21 y.o Mbappe : 30 goals 14 assists (with 11 unplayed league games due to COVID)
21 y.o Messi : 38 goals 17 assists
22 y.o Mbappe : 42 goals 11 assists
22 y.o Messi : 47 goals 11 assists
Oh dear. Bodied
However, Young Messi was a better player than young Mbappe, that much cannot be debated if you actually watched both of them play. I just take issue with people that try and claim Mbappe is ‘not that good’ or a ‘pace merchant’. He’s an exceptional young talent with multiple Ballon D’Or award winning potential.
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How's the wheather in France these days? Is it a good time to visit France?
Because the only way youd be making the case for Mbappe being equal or even better than Messi at their respective ages would be if you were his mom/dad
At 18,19,20 he was better than Messi at these respective ages yes.
He scored more goals, thats it. Very different circumstances. I could list you several other players that scored more goals than Messi at those ages, doesnt mean they were better.
Mpabbe is a very special player, but he's playing for a super team in the worlds 5th best league. It doesn't mean his stats are impressive but he needs to go to La liga or the PL to establish himself. I think him and Haaland will sweep up quite a lot of the Ballon D'ors in the future.
I’m an admirer of Mbappe but he wasn’t better than Messi at those ages IMO. Of course they are different types of player, so it’s not an exact comparison. Did you actually watch Messi play regularly back then?
Yes I did. I don't care about the eyetest argument. If it was worth anything Ben Arfa would be a top 5 player of the past decade
Mbappe produced 128 G+A on top of winning a WC at these ages, Messi only produced 60.
And Mbappe easily wins out in big game performances too, sure Messi has that hat trick vs Madrid but Mbappe has a brace vs Argentina, a goal in the WC final and goals against City Dortmund Bayern Juventus Liverpool United
I’d agree with this. M’bappe much better than Owen of course, but the comparison is more apt. Messi has been Maradona with the goalscoring of one of the greatest. Just ridiculous at his height, they didn’t even manage to butcher him, and many tried.
i stand corrected and those are amazing stats from Mbappe including assist stats.
having said that, it is the French league
Let’s see how Mbappe grows, he has plenty of time to settle this argument for all of us
It’s not about ‘eye-test’ (whatever that means), it’s about all round performances. Messi was already arguably the best player in the world as a 19/20 year old, Mbappe, for all his quality, is not.
You don’t just count up who scored the most goals and say the person with more is better, especially if one plays in a more advanced or central position. That’s not how football works. Or else Bobby Zamora would be a better player than Zidane.
Nor do you just look at goals and assists. You shouldn’t do it based on stats at all really but if you do, you have to look at all stats. What about successful dribbles? XG? Chances created? Key passes? Completed passes? Heat maps? Pre-assists? All these things are relevant and reference an individual’s influence on the game.
Not entirely, stats and all Messi was a different level. I prefer Messi when he was younger and more brazen compared to when he matured as he influenced play far more with his distribution. Messi as a teenager I've never seen anything like it, perhaps the best player at that age I've witnessed in terms of raw talent. Ronaldo become a monster growing into his development, Messi had it all at his feet from his debut.
Mbappe is certainly on the right track but he's still a level below imo. He seemed to be a more dangerous player at Monaco.
No mbappe is better than messi in one thing and that's his pace.
Can we throw in a cheeky bid of 30m + pogba ?
Ridiculous
Anyone comparing Mbappe and Messi needs to find a different sport to follow. Try golf.
Anyone comparing Mbappe and Messi needs to find a different sport to follow. Try golf.
Mbappe is better at golf than Tiger Woods. Just facts.Ridiculous
Anyone comparing Mbappe and Messi needs to find a different sport to follow. Try golf.
Ridiculous
Anyone comparing Mbappe and Messi needs to find a different sport to follow. Try golf.
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Mbappe is the modern day Ronaldinho.
Messi isn't in the same category, not even close.
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Messi isn't in the same category, not even close.
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No he wouldn't.
And what teams were both playing for? What was the competition for places like and what was the calibre of the opposition like?
Mbappe, as talented as he undoubtedly is, has only ever played in the mighty French league remember where the standard of the opposition is way lower than La Liga.