Kylian Mbappé | Real Madrid watch
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His head was getting too big. Needed to be taken down a peg or two. He is not a central forward and will never be one and Vinicius is too good wide left to shift elsewhere. A more perceptive footballer would have seen this coming from a mile away and not joined Real Madrid but Mbappe genuinely is that pig headed to think that Vinicius would have to be shifted elsewhere to accomodate him. He has made his bed, now he must lie in it.
Can I interest you in a swap for Coman? We might throw in Sané if you ask nicely.Turns out the issue wasn't his position on the field after all.
He just sucks shit.
But what if said young footballers are just simply shite ? There’s a long list of young players who’ve moved big early and never succeeded. Mbappe is having a crisis in confidence. We know he still has a high ceiling and is still an exceptional natural footballer. Zirkzee is a poor athlete, he’s slow, lacks agility and has below par technical skills. No amount of time is going to change that.
This isn’t a thread about Zirkzee. Just pointing out the similarity of someone who excelled in a weaker league and struggled to adjust after a big move. Watching Mbappe at Real Madrid you’d assume his movement is terrible, he doesn’t understand the offside rule and his finishing is atrocious.
The only people who risk looking foolish here are those who rush to write off any footballer before they’ve had a chance to settle.
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Really do wonder why people think a 7-match tournament says more than how a player performs seasons in and out. Some really thought that Mbappe has the potential to be considered greater than Cristiano Ronaldo just because of his WC performances.
Watch him season in and out, and he's not close. However disappointing Ronaldo's world cup career might ever be.
Mbappe can't even separate himself of the likes of Lewandowski, Benzema, Haaland, Vinicius, Salah. How the heck is he being mentioned with Messi and C.Ronaldo.
Watch him season in and out, and he's not close. However disappointing Ronaldo's world cup career might ever be.
Mbappe can't even separate himself of the likes of Lewandowski, Benzema, Haaland, Vinicius, Salah. How the heck is he being mentioned with Messi and C.Ronaldo.
Agreed, all the names mentioned there are all way ahead of Mbappe.
I disagree to be honest. I don’t think it’s a hard set thing. It’s relevant some of the time. And it’s a case by case basis. If you can see someone is talented and has the skill set but seems to be struggling with the mental side then of course that could be a “bedding in” period. I feel this is more the case for someone like Rasmus.
When it’s obvious and staring you in the face when you watch a footballer that isnt skilled or technical enough to make it (see Antony and Zirkzee) then “settling in” becomes irrelevant:
A large percentage of the cafe saw Antony for six months and knew he was shite and wrote him off and I remember people in the thread saying similar things about second season and bedding in. Sometimes I think using the eye test is better than pre conceived ideas about a foreign player moving to a bigger and better league and that time passing will automatically make them better.
Mbappe at club level has always been world class, just watch PSG in the Champions League without him.
49 goals and 27 assists in 78 Champions League games is world class.
PSG have changed alot, not just Mbappe. I watched PSG for years with him too and they got no further than they will this season.
I dont care how many goals he scored in the CL... when you win your league, you get seeded in pot 1 (old format) which means you get to farm stats. Lets not act as if the CL in early stages is some amazing competition. Just have a look at the results in the last 2 nights, 6-0, 5-1 are a regular occurrence.
Its when it comes to crunch time, do it against the bigger teams in knock outs?
Does a WC player turn up ? Yes
Does Mbappe turn up? No.
You can truncate the amount of time as much as you want, I never saw Henry put a team on his back in that way in any final, let alone a World Cup final. In fact, I struggle to remember Thierry Henry actually scoring a goal in any final whatsoever. You can try and diminish what Mbappe did in the 2022 WC final, but you have to remember that Mbappe scored brilliant goals in TWO World Cup finals.
I'm all ears if you have an example of Henry doing the same, cos like I said, I can't recall any goal he ever scored in ANY final for France or Arsenal or Juventus or Barcelona.
A hat-trick against Barcelona in 2020-21, 3 goals against Real Madrid, a brace against Bayern in the 2020-21 QF first leg, goals against Liverpool, City, Juventus.
His record speaks for itself against top opposition.
His finishing at PSG was erratic too..he just got that many chances that it wasn't always noticed. He's missed some absolute belters, especially the last two years where he seems to have become more clumsy in front of goal.
Ofcourse as a ST he will get goals, Origi has goals in games in the CL, does not make him WC.
The WC players show they can carry a team into a position of winning trophies. Messi for Barca, Ronaldo for Madrid, those are the 2 he is looking to get to.
He is a player that does not play for the team and its only about him.
There is probably lingering resentment and skepticism due to his rejection of Real Madrid in 2022 and the years-long, bizarre transfer saga. That's all his doing; he created a situation for himself where he'd be forced to win some fans over and he's proceeded to take a big shit on the pitch.
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What on Earth are you on about, Origi has 6 goals in total in the Champions League.
I think Gyökeres or Osimhen would have been a better fit for them.
I can't see them spending masses on a ST like Haaland next summer.
I can't see them spending masses on a ST like Haaland next summer.
People, please discuss Henry vs Mbappe in the relevant thread. Moved all Henry related stuff there.
I bear Mbappé no ill will whatsoever, but it's delightful to see Real Madrid's galactico signing years in the making turn out this way.
One thing I will give him credit for is that after the tackle by Bradley he never looked for a foul.
And he is really quick.
And he is really quick.
The most predictable penalty miss of all time, that.
Meh.
Meh.
Would he suit amorim's system? At this rate getting him wouldn't be too outlandish of a thought.
Know expectations for him are through the roof but you guys should give him time.
To think madrid lost out on haaland because they originally wasted that summer chasing mbappe who messed them about in end.
He gets worse game by game. Which is quite an achievement.
Vini’s injury must be related to having to carry this dumbass.
Vini’s injury must be related to having to carry this dumbass.
Oh yeah he'd be perfect, he absolutely loves to track back and puts the team above everything.
I've been saying this for 3 months. Finally people noticeTurns out the issue wasn't his position on the field after all.
He just sucks shit.
Right?!?!? Which is even crazier considering he could start 3 meters off the last defender and still absolutely torch him anyways!
This is why i value a players abilities to play in different leagues and different teams.
Ive seen too many players dominate one league or one club or country just to look a shade of their previous self when having to move abroad.
Its why i really value C Ronaldo's dominance of the 3 leagues.
Ive seen too many players dominate one league or one club or country just to look a shade of their previous self when having to move abroad.
Its why i really value C Ronaldo's dominance of the 3 leagues.
I believe that in these next two years, it will be proven how far his club career can go. During this period, he will be between the ages of 26 and 28, which is considered the peak period for most footballers. After that, his physical abilities will clearly decline (to be honest, they already have slightly declined now). He will need to learn how to be a full-fledged forward in the Real Madrid style, including skills such as ball control, aerial duels, and even playmaking, all of which should be developed. At the moment, he has lost a lot of confidence, and he has limited time to regain his normal form. However, at Madrid, he will never play as a left winger because Vinícius is a better left winger than him in almost every aspect. I am only referring to his club career because at the national team level, his footballing journey is already legendary. His performances in the 2018 and 2022 World Cups cannot be downplayed; they are nothing short of excellence.
His work rate is absolutely terrible, and I don't know how the Madrid staff, including Carlo, will address it. Percentage of time spent walking...... shows it.
His work rate is absolutely terrible, and I don't know how the Madrid staff, including Carlo, will address it. Percentage of time spent walking...... shows it.
I believe that in these next two years, it will be proven how far his club career can go. During this period, he will be between the ages of 26 and 28, which is considered the peak period for most footballers. After that, his physical abilities will clearly decline (to be honest, they already have slightly declined now). He will need to learn how to be a full-fledged forward in the Real Madrid style, including skills such as ball control, aerial duels, and even playmaking, all of which should be developed. At the moment, he has lost a lot of confidence, and he has limited time to regain his normal form. However, at Madrid, he will never play as a left winger because Vinícius is a better left winger than him in almost every aspect. I am only referring to his club career because at the national team level, his footballing journey is already legendary. His performances in the 2018 and 2022 World Cups cannot be downplayed; they are nothing short of excellence.
His work rate is absolutely terrible, and I don't know how the Madrid staff, including Carlo, will address it. Percentage of time spent walking...... shows it.
That's his style though. He looks disinterested and out of a game but whenever he has the ball something happens.
Personally, I wouldn’t want to have a player in my team, who thinks he’s above any defensive work whatsoever. As good as he is offensively, I would never want to risk the possible effects his egoism could have on a team.
Don’t respect him at all. Would love to see him continue this horrible patch.
Don’t respect him at all. Would love to see him continue this horrible patch.
He does feck all while on the ball.
Actually, not true. He was great for Liverpool yesterday; every time he was involved resulted in a big Liverpool chance. So not all useless come to think of it.
Not even Messi?
Has Madrid ever play Vini Jnr as the St and Mbappe as the LW?
Messi did do defensive work...
Not much, but yes, he did some. His positioning against the ball was very good. He did the bare minimum. Mbappe isn't even doing that.
Yes. Vini played great at Str and Mbappé was mediocre on the left
And that’s the big problem when he does feck all off the ball and can’t produce that much in terms of productivity( both numbers and pure performances).
Has he even kicked on since winning that World Cup?