Players like Ribery, Robben, Lewandowski and the various forwards Bayern have had over the years. Muller was only Bundesliga team of the season twice despite Bayern nearly always winning the league, there was always more important players - Lewandowski made it 8 straight years for example.
Kylian Mbappé | Real Madrid watch
- Thread starter Samid
- Start date
Muller it's ten times more intelligent than Mbappe, he is a great player with a carreer that more talented players should had and wished had.
Yet to make an example with another player in his prime: Diego Milito in 2010, there is a reason why he would never sit beside Messi, nor live any remotely the type of pressure Lionel had to endure even till today and why also sadly he was very unfair treated when he didn't even got into the 30 best players that year for the Ballon D Or (the real big miss of that award that year). Milito even in his best year, winning everything, being excellent and clutch he operated in very different scale of expectations.
I'll give just little sample of what I mean.
No one remembers that miss from Andrés and he had quite a number of others similar misses (we all are going to remember his goal versus Chelsea and Holland), as had Xavi and even Lucho that lived for goals. Some Juve fan will remember Buffon's saved, but the title after the match if Barca is defetead and Messi doesn't score is: Messi did nothing, even if just that assist is beyond excellent.
On the other hand, of course sometimes when Barca wins, everything was about Messi, that isn't true either, but it's an entirely diff world some players live in. And mostly it's because of the atributes and type of player some players belong, that is quite different of those with the atributes of a Muller, a Diego Milito or even trully special lads Iniesta.
PD: I'm not saying that Mbappe is as talented as Messi, or Pele, or anything like that, but he is the type of player whose atributes would put him in the Upper echelon and people would lay their eyes on them with a microscope, for the good and for the bad, it's a world of hyperboles.
Last edited:
I wouldn't say any of them were like Mbappe, they all added different things to their teams, not just goals, and teams were not built around them. It's very different.
I think that's partly down to him though. He's criticised because he acts like he is Messi/Ronaldo or similar, and that attitude will always be met with criticism when he plays like he does.
It's a good example you have, and yes like for example, Mbappé went to Camp Nou in 2021 in the CL knockouts and scored a hat-trick at that point the first away player to do that in 24 years, one of the best performances by a forward in a one-off game I've seen. If Muller played like that, it would be remembered at the end of his career, but nobody even mentions this game for Mbappé because it was expected. He's also been let down by team-mates at PSG, like he was brilliant against Real Madrid in both legs in 21/22 I thought, but then Donnarumma kicks a ball against Benzema and Marquinhos collapses and they lose. There's nothing he can do about that. He has higher expectations than Muller because he is more talented than Muller.
Because he's been one of the best players in the world for many years. His Ballon d'Or placings since he was 19: 6th, 3rd, 6th, 9th, 6th, 4th, 7th. Yes there's always some hype with the Ballon d'Or but also he has clearly been one of the best forwards in the world for most of his career.
He has been spoiled too much and he didn't correct many flaws in his game prior to arrive to Madrid, therefore those were expected to be shown like it's happening now.
Yet, if Madrid has patience, if he works out his deficiencies, if he becomes more humble and with a tad of luck.
He can be huge in Madrid, it's too early to put a nail in his coffin, mostly because we shouldn't even be alow to talk about coffins.
There is certainly an overreaction that like I've said before, Kiki's traits and things to improve aside, it's typical of the expectations this type of players have to deal with.
They still need to sort out their imbalance problems with their lineup and get a new top midfielder.
As a winger, but think you're joking.
Yes way. Nobody does it for a full 90. Vinicius certainly doesn’t. Mbappe has been the better player till now (comfortably) in their respective careers and while in the absolute present moment Vinicius has the edge, Mbappe will end up better as he has been thus far.
Vinicius is settled at Madrid which helps him currently and he’s definitely better / less lazy when the opponent has the ball but he’s not as good a footballer.
The epitome of everything wrong with modern football. Rubbish.
any premier team needs some accent français for next year?
Think it's more how fans and media rate players.
Staying at PSG for way too long looks to have a tragic impact on him. I hope he comes good at Real though, it's still early days.
The excuses are endless, poor fecking mbappe.
Bad move for both parties as PSG have been terrible without him in the CL.
He's destroyed Real Madrid
He is their David Moyes
He is their David Moyes
Can we call a mulligan and send him back to PSG? Please?
I don't feel that sorry for him, but it's cute you do?
Why?
Can he play in a 3-4-2-1?
Kylian Mbappford
Amount this bloke goes missing in the Cl is truly staggering.
Amount this bloke goes missing in the Cl is truly staggering.
But rdy to make nonsense excuses for him.
He’s fecking overrated. The French Rashford.
I enjoy watching him play football when he's at his best.
Can't argue with that.
nonsense excuses?! Such a typically extreme SadCafe reaction. I don't think spending years and years in France did his development much good, if that's a nonsense excuse, so be it. He's also achieved a lot very young, ended up paid to such a manky level, I doubt he's anywhere near as hungry as he once was.He won a world cup with an amazing team.
PSG indulged him so much that he's lost his way and it might be harder to get it back than envisaged; he's not got a well of experience against adversity to fall back on either, so him turning it around will be a new thing in his career.
Will be interesting to see how he deals with this. Considering his u-turn the first time Real Madrid came knocking, the sign on fee he finally got and the wages he’s on, there’s not going to be much sympathy from the home fans if he doesn’t turn things around quickly.
I suppose it’s just a natural consequence of wrong priorities, was more important to fleece PSG for massive wages and bonuses
I suppose it’s just a natural consequence of wrong priorities, was more important to fleece PSG for massive wages and bonuses
He was absolutely horrendous tonight.
He looks like he’s carrying a stone
Shouldn’t have left France. He could have continued to score against shit teams, pad his stats and put in 20% effort every week. The grass isn’t always greener on the other side Kylian!
Kylian MFloppé.
Main problem is he’s made more money than he could have ever dreamed of at PSG and most modern players care more about that and their personal brand than being the best in the world. He’s never come across as someone who had the mindset of players like Ronaldo or Messi who were able to continue performing despite their personal gain because winning and being the best seemed more important to them.
He’s loaded, at his dream club and if things don’t go well it doesn’t really change much for him. Hard to stay motivated when you’ve got what he has
He’s loaded, at his dream club and if things don’t go well it doesn’t really change much for him. Hard to stay motivated when you’ve got what he has
Reminded me of Rashford tonight. He won't last long there unless he improves.
He clearly loves the attention and hype, I honestly don't know what you are talking about because he's very very rich for a long time.
I think he'll come good but given their squad and the way they play, the move wasn't really a good fit for Madrid or him, from a purely footballing perspective.
It was clearly a move of, let's sign a top player and work out how he fits in later. I'm sure they will get there though.
It was clearly a move of, let's sign a top player and work out how he fits in later. I'm sure they will get there though.
no wonder he missed the penalty. another instance of the ref/var favouring liverpool.