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Kylian Mbappé | Real Madrid watch
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So how was his first game in a really big league?
He's still looks more of a LW than striker. Madrid's goal came from Mbappe losing the ball in the box and Vini & Rodrygo mopping up, they're still developing chemistry of course but having Mbappe wait centrally doesn't maximize his skills.
IMO RM is sacrificing midfield control without a
proper Kroos replacement which may hurt them in the big games. They don't need a front 4 as a front 3 plus a #6/8 who controls tempo. IDK if Camavinga is able to do it but Tchouameni doesn't really look the part.
IMO RM is sacrificing midfield control without a
proper Kroos replacement which may hurt them in the big games. They don't need a front 4 as a front 3 plus a #6/8 who controls tempo. IDK if Camavinga is able to do it but Tchouameni doesn't really look the part.
Mbappe was quite good, some very good runs from him and could have scored once or twice.
But still can't believe that people think he's as talented as this guy.
Vini hoping for a pass here, bless his heart.
I think they're pretty close in talent, but I don't rate Ronaldo's natural talent that highly that he's a tier ahead or something.
Miles apart. Mbappe can't do half of the stuff just even in that vid.
I imagine that's not a popular opinion disregarding Ronaldo fans.
If you gave me the option of having a 25 yrs old Ronaldo or a Mbappe, I'll go for the former all the time.
Not a Ronaldo fan, have pretty much disliked him since moving to Real.
However he's a top 10 player of all time, it would take a miracle for Mbappe to be even a top 10 attacker of all time, maybe even of the past 30 years and that's no dig. Just doesn't come close really.
Way closer to Haaland than he is Ronaldo.
Mbappe will likely break loads of WC records and presuming his PSG form continues at Real(with trophies)with good longevity, he will easily break into the top 10 attackers of all-time.
They’re not close in talent at all. Ronaldo has better technique and can do more things with the ball. Mbappe hasn’t scored a career FK yet and he’s almost 26. He’s pretty much non-existent in the air and doesn’t score from long range. The only thing he has over Ronaldo at the same age is speed and Ronaldo was obviously lightning quick himself so that’s negligible.
The things they’re comparable at Ronaldo is better (dribbling, touch, two-footedness, movement, intelligence). Name me one facet of the game Mbappe is as good as Ronaldo at.
It was such an unnecessary move by Perez, there's a very decent chance he'll make them inferior than before and they'll be burdened by his massive wages.
Pele, Romario, Ronaldo, Garrincha, Messi, Maradonna, Cruyff, Di Stefano, Cristiano Ronaldo, Muller, Eusebio, Luis Suarez, van Basten all say hi. Who do you think he then easily surpasses?
He has longevity/consistency going for him big time, but having watched the majority of them, even if he goes at his current rate it will be hard to say he was better than a lot of these.
Other than longevity/consistency, heck is he even better than Neymar? Who was clearly better during the first year Neymar joined PSG.
He doesn't even touch Ronaldo's passing/crossing at Ronaldo's peak. Which was really underrated especially at Real Madrid.
This kind of statement is almost immediately refuted by who the better player was at their younger years when natural talent stands out more.
Unless you think Ronaldo from ages 18-22 was better than Mbappe which is baseless.
Hid wc record is quite deceiving, wasn't their most importantly or even second important player during their successful run and was pretty close to being a passenger in 2022 before the final.
No one considers klose to be one of the best of all time.
No one considers klose to be one of the best of all time.
You could add Puskas, Henry, Shearer, Greaves, Kocsis, Batistuta, Nordahl, Ibrahimovic, Peyroteo, Benzema, Klose and Fontaine into that conversation also.
Maradona wasn't an attacker. And he could in theory surpass Romario and Luis Suarez.
Others less-so. A few he has no chance to surpass because he's nowhere near them in natural talent. I don't think Mbappe's more talented than Neymar, but Neymar's career post-Barcelona is riddled with injury woes, so it's hard to ignore that.
This is just patently untrue.
And no one considers Klose one of the best ever, because his club form was nothing special and he wasn't that talented.
Mbappe isn't even close to either Ronaldo. The notion is a little insane. Closer to Neymar than Ronaldo(s).
Mbappe's closer to CR7 in talent than CR7 is to R9 in talent.
Also, Neymar is more talented than CR7. You're welcome to start a topic on this, so we don't derail this thread, but I don't think it's that close either.
A bit of an exaggeration on my part but aside from his goals against Denmark his contribution was mostly unimportant and I'm pretty were you to ask most who their best player was before the final he wouldn't be ahead of griezmann.
I believe Ronaldo was 3 times the player that Mbappe was at 25, don't think Mbappe can get close to Ronaldo's level, ever.
Okay take out Maradona.
Mbappe has been world class from a very young age, basically since his breakout season. But even since the decline of Ronaldo/Messi (due to age), he's been unable to separate himself from respectively Neymar, Lewandowski/Benzema, Haaland and now Vinicius as the best attacker/best player of the world. How in earth is he going to make a top 10 player of all time if he continues at this rate?
He might be the player with the best longevity of all time, which is a huge credit if he finishes his career. But he's in no way shape or form even clearly the best forward at any moment in his own generation, how will he fit in a top 10 players of all time? It doesn't make sense.
Nor can you describe how Mbappe touches Ronaldo at so many facets of the game. Other than speed, maybe even give him in the box-finishing and it completely stops.
Thing is, CR is a more complete attacker overall, what Mbappe going to do without his pace, what can he fall back on? CR was an all-time great header, great attacking positioning, and good finishing with his weak foot, so he could do the job centrally(even though not a CF), once his pace and agility started to decline.
This isn't FIFA, so would you say Owen/Rooney are more talented than Ronaldo too? There are so many different players that peak in their young years, sometimes due to maturity, physical abilities and what not. Yamal most talented player of all time then? Mbappe more talented than Ronaldinho?
Especially considering that the 22 "world cup" was a penalty-party, i'm sick of hearing about his "legendary" hatrick in the final.
It does seem very imbalanced. Three left forwards as the attack, Bellingham, Valverde and Tchouameni as the midfield. A bit FIFA-like.
I think Ancelotti's hopes are sort of along the lines of: this is an incredibly talented group of players, give them match time and training to understand each others patterns and movements and at some point it'll click together.
Has to be given credit for the first shot which was well taken and jolted them back to life and taking three penalties against one of the best penalty specialists there is but it was far from an all time performance some make it out to be.
Could have gone for Sørloth, decent enough striker, and much cheaper, but instead we overloaded on left forwards, and let our rivals have him instead.
Oh well, Perez made his choice, lets see what Ancelotti can do with it.
Yeah I can argue Ronaldo was better from 21 years old onwards (06/07 season) when he was the first and still the only player to do a clean sweep of every individual award in England in an era where you had the likes of prime Gerrard, Lampard, Drogba, etc.
Probably should’ve won the BDOR that year too if not for Kaka’s CL exploits.
Mbappe was definitely better as a teenager as he pretty much arrived on the scene already polished as a player. That doesn’t mean he was more talented though. I would still argue teenage Ronaldo was a better dribbler but just far more raw in everything else.
Talent is a measure of their ceiling in every facet of the game and Mbappe’s ceiling isn’t as high as Ronaldo’s. He’s just not as gifted technically or in IQ. Would be interesting to see how he adapts his game over time.
He isn't 21 anymore and so far he hasn't done that much. I really doubt that he will ever live up to the hype.
I think it's rather Mbappe's game IQ that made him that good at that age. He was tactically already very mature, with great understatement of the game. I have never seen a 17/18 year old with such great positioning, timing of runs, knowing when to accelerate and slow down. That combined with his extreme speed and acceleration, good use of both feet, athleticism and good finishing makes him a world class player since that very moment.
Not because he's any more gifted than Cristiano Ronaldo, he doesn't really come close in heading, dribbling, long range shooting, two footedness, crossing, passing, skills.
Yeah I agree with you there completely. I guess when I mentioned IQ/intelligence, I was more thinking of how he would adapt and modify his game to maintain his level over time as his physical attributes wane. I guess we will see how that evolves in time.
Just to understand where you are setting the bar, who do you consider the top 10 attackers of all time? Because based on the 10 players I'm thinking of, that's a pretty wild statement. I think Mbappe would do well to be within the top 10 attackers of the 21st century, and I rate him very highly.
That's not true though, there are plenty of players who physically develop far earlier than others, Rooney being an obvious example.
It's not. His 2022 WC was average - he was ok against Australia and Poland, not great in the other games, he was entirely anonymous for 60mn in the final before his hat-trick, which is overstated.
WC records are over-inflated in any case, it's a tiny sample size, and the guy is playing for one of the most talented squads in world football so will naturally go quite deep in all tournaments. Club football is where it's at, and he's stagnated for a few years now. Moving to Real might light the spark again and remind him he's a footballer and not a businessman (though he's been good at that in fairness), and he could go on to achieve great things... but he's not there yet.
Comparing him currently to 25yo Cristiano Ronaldo is frankly insane.