Said it a few months ago that we prioritize trying to sign ahead of Greizmann. If put in the correct situation, he can reach far greater heights than Greizmann in my opinion. Feck his age, he is ready now. Just have a feeling that he is Madrid bound even if we outbid them (that is if Mourinho is interested at all) Woody will be all for it I assume.
Kylian Mbappé | Player Performance Thread
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Far greater heights than the third best player in the world? And you say that about a player who has had half a good season, in which I assume you haven't watched the majority of his games. Wow
Well he does mention 'if' and 'can'. Nothing is certain ever.
First of all, reaching far greater heights than the current #3 in the world would be at least on the level of Messi/Ronaldo who are two of the four best players in the history of football. To even mention it about a player who has played 5-6 months of great football is weird imo.
Edit: Death is certain btw lel
What he is doing now at his age is basically unprecedented.
griezmann being third best player in the world is incredibly debatable. I do agree with the sentiment that people should slow down with the mbappe hype/expectations though
Came 3rd in the latest Ballon d'Or so I think it's fair to call him that.
Martial last year isn't that far behind Mbappe this year, taking everything into account. Paying a world record fee for him would be an insane risk.
I love Martial but, Martial was not playing at this level last season. And every transfer is a huge risk.
No but he wasn't very far away. Also Mbappe hasn't even shown that level for an entire season which is why the risk is even bigger. Every transfer isn't a huge risk. Signing Zlatan was never a huge risk since there was no transfer fee involved. The risk was very low. Signing an 18 year old kid who has only performed at that level for ~6 months would be beyond a huge risk. We're in a state where we can't really affort to take a risk like that. The pressure on him would be unreal and people forget that every player will have ups and downs. Mbappe will experience a big down soon enough, no doubt about that. People talk about his consistency but it's way too early to do so imo.
SAF always regretted not being able to sign Ronaldo from Cruzeiro because of the work permit restrictions. Every time I see Mbappe i get flashes of him. We should at least try to sign Mbappe even if it looks unlikely.
I disagree. Who contributes more and can they do it against tougher opposition in the PL are the key questions.
Some stats on the two, and Sanchez for a measure of a top PL player:
To start, total contributions (assist or goal):
Mbappe - 29
Griezmann - 35
Sanchez - 41
How many contributions have they made where the team has won by two goals or more, vs. closer/tougher games, i.e are they just going to town on poor opposition and disappearing in difficult games:
Mbappe - 21 v 8
Griezmann - 21 v 14
Sanchez - 30 v 11
Another question would be maybe those big winning margins are all down to them and it's not fair to say they can only do it against weak opposition. When they score, is it the team doing the work or is it because they're just so good individually? So, how many of the games they contribute in are they responsible for 50% or more of the team's goals?
Mbappe - 11
Griezmann - 17
Sanchez - 22
What all that says to me is both put up good numbers but Mbappe struggles to score against tougher opposition, and when Atletico win Griezmann is often the reason why. Mbappe needs the team to dominate before he starts performing. He won't be the one to drag you over the line.
It also shows how screwed Arsenal will be if Sanchez leaves.
Best young talent in Europe, end of conversation, if anyone thinks he could not make it in England they are delusional, hopefully he can stay at least 1 more year in France to develop his talent.
Should stay at Monaco and keep developing his overall game. Has great potential. Madrid bound in a year, quite possibly to replace Benzema.
Those stats are pointless. The variables invalidate them.
He already is a world class player. Martial and Januzaj showed great potential, but even at the best of the potential, doubt many would argue that they were already great players. That's what Mbappe has that other youngster don't have, he plays like he's hugely experienced. There's no developing this kid, there's signing him and throwing him on the pitch and watching him get it done.The hype he's getting in this thread is absolutely unreal. He's had half a good season ffs. It's nowhere near enough to deserve posts like these:
It's completely out of control. People should rather compare him to Papiss Demba Cisse who had a similar half a season
No but seriously, it's nowhere near dead certain that he's going to become a world class player. Keep in mind how Januzaj and Martial couldn't follow up after having one great season. Breaking the world transfer record for him would be fecking madness and I struggle to understand how lots of people here seem to want it to happen.
They back up a key suspicion you can get a little from watching him. He plays well only when the team plays well, and hes not the catalyst for that. He's not the difference maker in a team and thats what we need. Griezmann is.
If we buy him as potential then fine but he shouldn't be an alternative to Griezmann.
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Nahh I don't agree. You can't say he's world class based on 1947 minutes on the pitch this season (CL and L1). He has averaged almost precisely a goal per 90 mins in those minutes but we're talking half a season in the french league plus some CL games against various sides, not to mention that he has played in a highly functioning team; The team that has scored the most of all teams in the top 5 leagues iirc (don't quote me on that)
Saying he's already world class is a bit far fetched. How did he just suddenly become world class? He wasn't even a starter six months ago.
He's a great young prospect that has done brilliantly in 2017 but hell, breaking the world record fee for him? That's fecking mental
At least give him another season to prove that he isn't a Papiss Demba Cisse 2.0. If he keeps it up next season then fine, he's worth >£89m
I do not know if he will go for a world record and I really do not care. But, if he goes this summer it will be for huge money. If we are not willing to take a risk on him someone else will.
Please dont get ahead of things, I think it was you too saying that Pogba was the best midfielder in the world while at Juve. Forgive me if I'm wrong.
He's put very similar numbers up to Memphis Depay at PSV so far, although Mbappe has come more out of the blue. If we want to gamble on 30 or 40m with him like we did with Memphis then fine, but these suggestions he's world class and worthy of breaking records is nonsense.
Yes, thank you!
Have to agree with @Macern here.
He looks a great talent but everybody is talking about him like he's the second coming of Messi when a) his all round game isn't that good b) he hasn't been playing at this level for that long.
He looks a great talent but everybody is talking about him like he's the second coming of Messi when a) his all round game isn't that good b) he hasn't been playing at this level for that long.
Finally some sense in this thread
There was a valid argument for it when he was at Juve.
I certainly wouldn't be comfortable with us spending half our budget on another kid with potential. Our team needs established world class players to come in and make a difference immediately. For all we know Mbappe could go the same way as Martial, or even Depay. You never know how it's going to go with youngsters when they make a big money move and suddenly all eyes are on them. Players like Sanchez and Greizmann should be top of our list when it comes to spending obscene amounts of money.
Ligue 1 is a higher level than the Eredivisie and Mbappe has also shined in the CL.
No there wasn't. He has never been, he was more a highlights player than he is now, flaws being masked by Vidal/Marchisio/Pirlo.
He's won me over. At 18 and to be so versatile, nice touches, good awareness, ridiculous pace, cool finisher, power. He will be a beast. I still feel we should wait a season and I would like to see how he fares against Bournemouth sitting deep, or a cold windy night at St Mary's
He won his last title in Italy without Pirlo or Vidal.
He still wasn't better than Khedira or Marchisio. They were all at a comparable level and he was the most dispensable.
I wouldn't call it unprecedented. There has been a few examples of young players playing like this over the years and few 18 year olds who were better then him, just of the top of my head Rooney, messi, R9, Owen hell even Anelka was banging them in at arsenal. These players were all equal or better then him at 18 and doing it in much more difficult leagues. Put the players I mentioned in the French league playing for this Monaco side and they will probably be doing better then mbappe. lol Memphis is smashing the French league he was shit in the EPL. Don't get me wrong mbappe is a great talent tho and I'd like him here but not for £100 million.
To make it perfectly clear, Memphis isn't even close to smash the french league.
Maybe smashing it was the wrong word. But he's doing better then he was for us? 15 games 5 goals and 8 assists is is pretty decent.
Well, he is playing for a team that can score goals, they can't defend to save their lives but they can score with or without him. And Memphis has only been above average against relegation teams like Nancy, Lorient or Metz. So no he isn't smashing anything and he shouldn't be used as an example to knock the league.
Yeah some of the hyping is unreal, but he's a top talent and IMO would be among the very best in the next decade given he has his head straight and stays healthy.
Getting him early would save us a lot of dough as well. I'd imagine he'd be valued at 50-60m EUR, another 1 or 2 good seasons and could be double that.
You obviously don't watch him, he's nothing like Cisse.
You will have to double that. One of the problems is that Monaco are in the green this year with the 65m that they are supposed to get from the CL and they are going to sell at least two players who should be Bakayoko and Fabinho. Bakayoko has been reportedly replaced by Tielemans and Fabinho should be replaced by Méïté both will probably cost less that what Monaco will get for one of their midfielders. That's why Monaco aren't likely to discount Mbappé.
The comparisons I've seen are closer to El Fenomeno, and I don't think that's wide of the mark.
I don't see how it would be madness. Barcelona broke the world transfer record to sign Ronaldo when he was 19. The comparisons with Januzaj and Martial are fallacious. Januzaj had maybe three decent games, Martial was a relatively unknown quantity except to those who followed the French league, or noticed his cameos in Europe. Neither came close to the level of performances Mbappe has shown this season.
He might not make it, but that's the gamble you take. He's clearly the most talented player in his age group, which merits all the hype he receives.