This is nothing to do with Monaco IMO. Put him in any other good team and he will score plenty also.
Yes it helps that he gets good service, but you have to finish those chances.
Kylian Mbappé joins PSG on one year loan with option to buy
- Thread starter Zoo
- Start date
- Status
Yes it helps that he gets good service, but you have to finish those chances.
Im not biased, I have nothing with the French League or Monaco or Mbappe specifically. Alli is an excellent player but I dont think he'll ever be Ballon d'Or material above Mbappe (quote me on that). Ofcourse Mbappe has done it for one season now but he has been basically one of the best in his age groups for some time now. Only seems to continue that title he has.
Just showes the greatness of the club when people sink so low in order to make themselves feel better about it.
Doesn't surprise me after the "Does anyone else despise the club that wanted to loan us Alfredo Si Stefano after Munich". That thread says everything about the level of envy.....and greatness of Real Madrid.
I agree. Hes also done it in the Champions league as well. What did Alli do in the CL or the Europa for that matter?
I dont know but I'll never see Alli as Ballon d'Or material. He'd do extremely extremely well to reach Lampard's level one day and unfortunately that isnt even enough whilst Frank was absolutely terrific. But I'm biased strangely.
So Alli breaks goal scoring records for a midfielder but he will be lucky to reach lampards level but Mbappe will be up there with the best in the world yet he realistically won't reach Thierry Henry's level who like Lampard never was ballon D'or top 3, I might be wrong.
This is the silly biased I'm talking about.
This is the silly biased I'm talking about.
Which goal scoring records has he beaten?
You're comparing him to two right wingers and two actual centre mids? It's not a "record" is it. Rooney at the same age, playing in the same position - a 10 with freedom to roam, had scored 53 goals by himself, include his assists and you're looking at 70+.
That list could include Kevin Nolan doesn't mean he's not surpass a lot of quality players.
18 league goals from a midfielder. Play it down all you want it's a great achievement. It's better than a lot of world class players in that list, why is it not something worthy mentioning when someone is overlooking his talent. Does he have to play defensive midfielder to make it sufficient for you?
I'm not playing it down, I'm just saying that declaring it "a record" is a load of bollocks. I rate the lad very highly, but lets not pretend that he's some sort of complete central midfielder. He plays off the striker with a midfield behind him that consists of two defensive midfielders and two hard working attacking midfielders.
You're quick to declare him in the same bracket as Lampard, but using your own statistics and judging him against players who actually play in the same role as him, he's done half as much as Rooney did by the same age.
Well has someone done it better than him as a midfielder? For him to be top of that list, does that not make it a record?
Lampard was a number 8 what bracket should he be in? Rooney played next to RVN and as an inside forward. He stats don't add up to Rooney? Considering it's Wayne Rooney whoop ti do. What's your point? Mine is how can he not be considered as potential world elite for the near future.
So in the Mbappe thread (and transfer related posts only), we've got ..... Who's black or not, Dele Alli and when is a record not a record.
I love how the threads go off on tangents.
I love how the threads go off on tangents.
Firstly it's already much more difficult for midfielders to win it, I dont know why. But Yaya Toure didnt even come close whilst he scored 20 goals in the Prem, and absolutely bossed the entire midfield. Reason why I say Alli will do well to come to Lampards level is that Lampard had more to his game, Alli when he scored most of his goals, basically played as a second striker, he is a great finisher, good physique, knack for goals and skillful. But he isnt vital for Spurs general play, his passing and playmaking isnt special imo but his output is immense. To reach Lampard's level he'd have to add that element to his game but even if he does that, given what the unfair Ballon d'Or criteria's are, it would still be incredibly hard as attackers are just preferred.
Other than that I think Mbappé has got more to his game and has excelled more than Alli this season, fwiw you arent mentioning Spurs great record but felt the need to do so with Mbappé.
He is only going to go somewhere where he is going to play:
http://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/e100m-real-man-united-target-i-ll-go-where-i-play-92651
I think he will stay another season at Monaco.
http://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/e100m-real-man-united-target-i-ll-go-where-i-play-92651
I think he will stay another season at Monaco.
Unless they end up selling a lot of players, I think it's his best option. The pressure of being 'the next big thing' is bad enough without the monster transfer fee he'd be moving for.
If he comes here he'll be fine by the time he's hitting his peak, no matter where he goes next he'll end up at Real at some point, I don't think I could handle another Ronaldo scenario, yes it was great to have him, but we never saw the best of him.
I want a player to come and develop here, and see out his best years, not for him to view us as a stepping stone, which is exactly what Mbappe would view us as.
I want a player to come and develop here, and see out his best years, not for him to view us as a stepping stone, which is exactly what Mbappe would view us as.
What does that matter? The point is that he isn't a midfielder. Rooney played off Van Nistelrooy with four midfielders behind him, Alli plays off Kane with four midfielders behind him. Lampard was always part of a midfield 3 with a front 3 playing ahead of him.
The point is that you're trying to compare his statistics with players who either played on the wing or played much further away from goal, to try to suggest that he's somehow further ahead in his development than these genuine greats of the game. There's dozens of players who by the age of 21 had played a hand in 40 goals if you care to look at attackers rather than midfielders, which is what Alli is.
Hindsight, 20/20. First of all, as I mentioned before, Cristiano Ronaldo looked nowhere as good or special as Mbappe does at 18 and it stayed that way until he turned 22 and slowly became the Cristiano we see today. There was absolutely nothing special about Cristiano, he was a largely ineffective trickster that could barely put a decent sequence together, let alone score boatload of goals. Rooney didn't wrap up a season better than Mbappe until he turned 25. Messi is a once in 25-years talent and was that way from the age of 19.
Doing a hundred step-overs, or an elastico is cute and all, but it's not very effective. You clearly haven't seen enough of Mbappe or you're just not paying attention. He has very good ball control for his age and at his pace. His view of the game is actually what sets him apart from other 18 years old. You just have to watch his game in the CL, especially against Juventus to see he's actually very good at reading the game. I don't know how old you are, but you have terrible memories of Cristiano if you thought he had that special feeling back then, he was a Denilson lite at best until years later. Cristiano Ronaldo is actually the reason why I can't rule anybody out now from becoming a world-class player, because he clearly exceeded his talent's limitations with incredible work-ethic. If Mbappe has even half of his training intensity, he'll be a world-beater as well.
It's pretty obvious Delle Alli is a midfielder being utilised for his attacking prowes. Why play him deeper when he is so productive going forward. It would be like playing Kaka in a midfield 2. Your point makes no sense.
Ah come on now, you could see the talent was there from day one. Yes he was ineffective and overdid the tricks but it was obvious that once he was experienced enough to master when to use them he would become phenomenal.
So can you agree with me that Delle Alli deserve to be considered in the same ceiling as Mbappe? He's output is exceptional for his age.
Maybe I'm talking to a bunch of youngster as I was 15 when I seen Ronaldo and probably more blind faith invisioned the player he later became. I don't need reminding how inconsistent he was, but the talent was there to be seen. We can list a bunch of talented faliures it proves nothing. At the end of the day we will see, I just don't see the hype I'm affriad, couldn't careless if we mess out on him too. Happy with Rashford.
That point makes literally no sense. He's been played off the striker, hence why he has racked up good goal statisics. Just because he could play deeper doesn't mean his stats should be compared to players who did play deeper.
Well Gerrard played off the striker for Benetiz did he score 18 premier league goals and was he classed as a number 10 and categories next to Wayne Rooney back then?
He played half that season from the right and scored 16 goals.
From the right? So Torres upfront Garcia on the left and Gerrard on the right? Kujit up top with Torres? You might want to go back and research that.
IIRC, Gerrard was lauded as a second striker along Torres in one of their best seasons. For sure he wasn't playing as a midfielder given Masherano and Alonso were, despite in midfield all his career. One reason why Gerrard did so well was that Benitez identified Gerrard's weakness in CM, which became apparent against top quality opposition midfielders, ie a lack of ability to control the tempo, football intelligience, vision, discipline and ability to retain possession and intricate passing. Don't get me wrong, Gerrard is a worldclass player who can give 8/10 performances from any outfield position. However, he just lack that bit to be in the highest tier. The same for Ali. Put him in CM alongside Dembele in a 4-4-2 or with Wanyama and Dembele in a 4-3-3... i bet he isn't as effective as a second striker.
He will stay. He's not going to risk flopping at a new club before the world cup.
His recent comments about wanting to play all the time seem almost aimed at Madrid. With Zidane's rotations, almost no one is getting guaranteed minutes.
Maybe Liverpool does have a chance?
Maybe Liverpool does have a chance?
I have watched Dembele real close this season. Real close, almost every Dortmund game. His decision making is not there, yet. In some games, Pulisic did more than Dembele. Mbappe is certainly far ahead of Dembele in that regard.
Was a good move for him and worked out really well. Benetiz was right too he didn't have the chararistics to interrupt a Alonso-Mascherno partnership, but no one can't tell me Gerrard wasn't one of the best midfielders in the league neither can someone tell me I need to compare his goalscoring and assists states to Dennis Bergkamp now because he is not a true midfielder.
And at us too I think...Martial being case in point.His recent comments about wanting to play all the time seem almost aimed at Madrid. With Zidane's rotations, almost no one is getting guaranteed minutes.
Maybe Liverpool does have a chance?
Ndembele is nowhere close to Mbappe. Ndembele is even behind Rashford and Mikhi. He is a fine dribbler like Traore but not a dangerous dribbler like say Hazard or Mbappe. Hell! He was even benched in Dortmund's most import match of their season against As Monaco!
It's not nDembele and what a load of bollocks. He isnt behind Rashford at all and a far more dangerous dribbler than Mbappe. He uses both feet and is incredibly fast and skillful, do you support Schalke?
Yeah and so? So was Rooney vs Real, a tactical decision which failed.
Have you got a speech impediment?
Has this been posted yet? Pretty clear he's going to stay for at least another year.
Glad to hear it. I hope he pushes on for a successful second season.
That probably means Jardim stays another year as well
Seems to have a good head on him. Wise move.
Think he has the perfect amount of arrogance too which he'll need.
Think he has the perfect amount of arrogance too which he'll need.
Kylian Mbappé also says that the 2018 World Cup will not be a factor in his decision-making process vis-à-vis his future.
Kylian Mbappé: "The name Kylian Mbappé is talked about quite a lot these days. That doesn't bother me or my family or my club."
Kylian Mbappé: "If I move club my brother will come with me to that club."
Kylian Mbappé: "I am at an age where I need to be playing constantly. To perform well you need to be playing."
Kylian Mbappé: "That's of huge importance in my choice. The other thing is to keep the family together - we're all fed up of being apart."
Kylian Mbappé: "This was the year of my discovery. For me, next year I must confirm myself - that's the most important step."
Kylian Mbappé: "I want to complete this step well, in a measured way, in the right conditions."
Kylian Mbappé: "I am the sole decider of my future. Me and my family. Nobody will tell me where to go. It will be my choice."
Kylian Mbappé: "In terms of football, I might be ahead for my age. But in terms of life, I'm still a kid at 18 years old."
Kylian Mbappé: "My biggest fault is that I don't have a drivers licence."
Kylian Mbappé: "How do I get to training? My mum drives me. Or Amir, the club chauffeur."
Kylian Mbappé: "The word footballer does not rhyme with Ferrari. Not having a car is not a big deal. You just adapt to it."
Kylian Mbappé: "The name Kylian Mbappé is talked about quite a lot these days. That doesn't bother me or my family or my club."
Kylian Mbappé: "If I move club my brother will come with me to that club."
Kylian Mbappé: "I am at an age where I need to be playing constantly. To perform well you need to be playing."
Kylian Mbappé: "That's of huge importance in my choice. The other thing is to keep the family together - we're all fed up of being apart."
Kylian Mbappé: "This was the year of my discovery. For me, next year I must confirm myself - that's the most important step."
Kylian Mbappé: "I want to complete this step well, in a measured way, in the right conditions."
Kylian Mbappé: "I am the sole decider of my future. Me and my family. Nobody will tell me where to go. It will be my choice."
Kylian Mbappé: "In terms of football, I might be ahead for my age. But in terms of life, I'm still a kid at 18 years old."
Kylian Mbappé: "My biggest fault is that I don't have a drivers licence."
Kylian Mbappé: "How do I get to training? My mum drives me. Or Amir, the club chauffeur."
Kylian Mbappé: "The word footballer does not rhyme with Ferrari. Not having a car is not a big deal. You just adapt to it."
- Status