They didn't do nothing though, he was fined. You might think it's not enough, but saying they did nothing is factually wrong.
Kurt Zouma / 180 hours community service + banned from keeping cats for 5 years
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They did nothing that may effect their results on the pitch and frankly I think that's diabolical and they should be taken to the cleaners for it in the press
You are just being ignorant because you obviously can't comprehend what kind of torture and terror animals must endure in slaughterhouse before you eat your delicious piece of meat.
They are completely disregarded as sentient beings.
I made my peace with it, I'm aware that most people lack a deep empathy as this is not part of cognitive ability but what really grinds my gears are 'tryin to sound funny and cool' jokes about bacon, chops and meat in general.
Nobody is forcing veganism on you, but I think it should be mandatory to at least repsect the slaughtered animal you eat.
Every life has equal value.
Does it really need to be on the pitch for the FA to act? Just ask Cavani aboout that.
I wonder if this happened to a United player, and they were in a desperate hunt for 4th place where the money they could get from it would be season-defining (unlike the real United that can print money without winning a thing), would those asking for Zouma to be suspended for x number of games still feel the same, or would they justify a punishment that didn't require a key player missing?
No worse than killing all those vegetables.
Please do as your user name.
I only eat the dead ones tbf
Can you be even more insufferable?
Not that it's comparable but many of us have said greenwood should never play for united again even if he isn't actually charged with anything.
We can be objective. Silly argument
What Cavani did was send a message to a friend on Instagram? He was banned for 3 games for bringing the game into disrepute. So, what's the next excuse?
What if you love them for their flavour? Technically I still love them, just on a plate.
United fans in general? There would be some hypocrisy, probably.
United fans on here? They would. Those who wouldn't would be the same who go lightly on Zouma now, so there wouldn't be much hypocrisy.
Rape a girl at home, fine. Racially abuse someone in front of millions, a couple of games ban. Kick a cat?! Hang the motherfecker!!!
You really seem like you have some psychological issues around racism that cause you to massively exaggerate everything in your own head. People think he should have got a short ban for bringing the game into disrepute and you're rounding that up to execution. You've kept making similar leaps for several days in this thread too and you're just getting yourself worked up mate.
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I couldn't agree more. It's an uncomfortable truth.
Sorry but this is an awful argument. You can’t compare the natural process of eating meat to hitting a defenseless animal out of the fact your a massive dickhead. Does this argument mean that those who hit animals should go unpunished because people eat meat? People who are defending zouma are shameful
I think my post was taken out of context. I was actually referring to a previous post on the notion of being an animal lover and eating meat. Nothing to do with Zouma.
With the Zouma issue, what he did was horrendous. It doesn’t take an animal lover, meat eater, vegan etc to realise that.
No. But IMO it means that those who eat meat but are overreacting about Zouma calling for him to be banned are being hypocritical given how the animals they eat are treated before reaching they eat them.
You're right, I took it too far and I apologise.
Look. Anyone who hurts a soul on purpose is a cnut. I am a slave to a cat, I'd kill anyone who touched her, but I'm not Chris Kirkland. I didn't start the conversation about race, he did. Kirkland compared any possible ban for Zouma to the previous bans for racism.
Don't you think that downgrades racism? One hurt cat causes pandemonium, thousands of hurt people of colour doesn't even touch the sides?!
There's nothing natural about rounding up animals, forcing them to breed in appalling conditions and slaughtering them. We do it because it tastes good.
No one making this line of argument is defending Zouma. We're just pointing out that far more animal abuse goes into serving a steak than slapping a cat and we need to react accordingly (Someone earlier said he should be arrested FFS
)That still isn’t racism. People need to understand what racism is before throwing it around.
I’ve been critical towards him in 90% of game. That isn’t racism. People have been critical of Maguire as much as Pogba. Including me. Does that mean people are racist against white people? Souness isn’t fan of Pogba as a player but that isn’t racism.
the amount of abuse he's taken I think he's been punished enough now
I hate what he did but he's taken so much abuse for it and will continue to probably for the rest of his career
I hate what he did but he's taken so much abuse for it and will continue to probably for the rest of his career
Zouma is a dickhead, but would you rather be kicked and slapped, or killed and eaten? I don't think the argument is that bad really, people just don't want to hear it.
Getting meat-shamed in the football forum by a smug vegan is a new low for me.
Can only imagine the shit-eating grin you were sporting while writing this out
For what it's worth, I've never harmed an animal in my life.
This is the cut and thrust of the matter.
Getting meat-shamed in the football forum by a smug vegan is a new low for me.
Can only imagine the shit-eating grin you were sporting while writing this out
For what it's worth, I've never harmed an animal in my life.
If you feel shame that's maybe that's on you. Perhaps it's guilt and projecting that onto 'smug vegans' is your way of avoiding taking responsibility for your actions? Maybe you need to re-evaluate your part in the meat production chain as it is a supply and demand industry and the animals go through hell from birth to death.
Just because the vegans can see the hypocrisy of valuing the individual life of a single cat over the billions of sentient lives that are killed for taste pleasure doesn't make them smug.
That's not a punishment though
Is shit eating vegan?Getting meat-shamed in the football forum by a smug vegan is a new low for me.
Can only imagine the shit-eating grin you were sporting while writing this out
For what it's worth, I've never harmed an animal in my life.
This thread is a shitshow of idiots finding ways to justify apathy, but want to tell you what you can or cannot be upset about.
Nothing new.
Nothing new.
It's difficult in the sense that we don't punish footballers like we do normal people, so talking about him losing his job becomes redundant in that sense.
A ban for a game or 2 (which, because football, is the most he'd ever get here) makes more sense than a fine. The guy is on around £12m a year, if you fined him a his yearly wage he'd still be very rich.
true, but he will have suffered from the backlash and he lost his sponsorship deal
it is deserved but personally, I think it's enough now
Christ.
Mate, all due respect, but ease off with the holier than thou shite. I appreciate your feelings on the matter, but they do not align with my own. That's just the way it is.
Thanks.
Fair question.
I guess that would depend largely on your diet?
Doesn’t a fan at a stadium found guilty of racist abuse get banned for life in most instances? The only recent example of a player being “racist” I can recall is Cavani, who got banned for three matches despite not having intended to be racist at all. Who are all the premier league players you feel have got away with racism this season?
Calls for Zouma to be sacked are too harsh in my view. However, currently the only sanction he’s faced which might actually bother him is losing the two cats (and then only probably because he won’t have anything to kick for funsies anymore). I’d have thought a 5 game ban for the level of disrepute he’s caused would be about right.
If I was Zouma I would hold a press conference and literally grovel and beg for forgiveness and then announce I was donating my wages for the rest of the season to the Cats Protection Society. Only then might he get a bit of redemption!
Ironically what he has done has raised awareness of animal cruelty so every cloud...........
Ironically what he has done has raised awareness of animal cruelty so every cloud...........
Like I said the 'holier than thou shite' is just you projecting again. The fact that you didn't address any of the points maybe shows your cognitive dissonance.
We are more than happy to let Greenwood rot, what do you think?
People do keep pigs and birds as pets and a lot of the countries throughout the world dogs are eaten and they are horrifically mistreated. Even in England it’s a shambles especially with baby chicks.
What Zouma did isn’t nice but a lot worse goes on in this country and people don’t hesitate to eat the food that has come from the mistreatment of animals, pet or no pet.