Bribes for likes, eh?
Not the worst idea to build a forum around that concept..
Bummer, but probably for the better as I remember WW as a huge time consuming, nerve wrecking affair.
Kurt Zouma / 180 hours community service + banned from keeping cats for 5 years
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Bribes for likes, eh?
Not the worst idea to build a forum around that concept..
Bummer, but probably for the better as I remember WW as a huge time consuming, nerve wrecking affair.
Depends on the human
And animal.Yes, you're either very confused or living in denial about the way meat reaches our tables. Our eating habits involve similar, if not worse, violence towards animals. So given that, as you say, 90% of the world are happy with that violence, we wonder why Zouma's imbecilic behavior is considered so beyond the pale.
So may arguments and issues being conflated here.
The bottom line in this case isn't how racism is dealt with or punished. It isn't that we generally ignore how meat is produced as we like eating meat (yet love our pets).
The issue is that he was cruel to his own pet for some bizarre lols. That makes him an epic cnut who deserves what has happened to him - which isn't much really so far, depending on if he gets prosecuted by the RSPCA. So in fact he has been punished far less than he would have been for racism. People act like utter twats and they can't really complain that people think of them as utter twats. They don't think, oh well it was just a cat and at least he didn't commit [insert crime/issue] which in my opinion is worse and often doesn't get punished appropriately so [the original crime/issue] doesn't deserve such a punishment. That argument is back to front IMO and even if not you will always have seemingly misaligned punishments e.g. financial crimes often get longer sentences than for manslaughter.
You can simultaneous think cruelty to a pet deserves punishment, that racism is generally under-punished and that eating meat could be made more humane/we should all become vegan.
The bottom line in this case isn't how racism is dealt with or punished. It isn't that we generally ignore how meat is produced as we like eating meat (yet love our pets).
The issue is that he was cruel to his own pet for some bizarre lols. That makes him an epic cnut who deserves what has happened to him - which isn't much really so far, depending on if he gets prosecuted by the RSPCA. So in fact he has been punished far less than he would have been for racism. People act like utter twats and they can't really complain that people think of them as utter twats. They don't think, oh well it was just a cat and at least he didn't commit [insert crime/issue] which in my opinion is worse and often doesn't get punished appropriately so [the original crime/issue] doesn't deserve such a punishment. That argument is back to front IMO and even if not you will always have seemingly misaligned punishments e.g. financial crimes often get longer sentences than for manslaughter.
You can simultaneous think cruelty to a pet deserves punishment, that racism is generally under-punished and that eating meat could be made more humane/we should all become vegan.
Not quite the same thing, though.
My steak didn't come from offing my pet cow Bessie on the kitchen table in front of my kids for lols on Tic Tok. I totally get how cruel meat production can be, not to mention the environmental impact of its production, but you don't have an emotional connection to an animal bred to be eaten, you have never met and isn't a part of your family. It is why things that happen to your family or you can imagine happening to your family affect you far more than things that are more remote (or compartmentalisable). Maybe not logical on one level but entirely logical on another.
What Greenwood allegedly did is way worse.
What are WW games?
I skimmed the past 20 pages. So.... this is one of the worst threads I've ever read. Well done, lads and ladies.
Wait, this is interesting..are there actually WW games played on here?Loved playing them back in the day on a different forum.
Sure mate, a different forum...
Kicking and torturing a cat or dog is not amongst the worst crimes in the world but its extremely unpleasant and the key thing for me is the fact he was actually having fun and enjoying inflicting physical pain on a pet. To me that is far far worse than any one off remark to another human being that could be seen as bigotted in some way.
No comparison to me yet some people have it completely the other way around.
No comparison to me yet some people have it completely the other way around.
Vegetabes scream as they are pulled from the ground, didn't you know that?Who is arguing for vegetable rights? Your arguments are
I agree but nothing happens in isolation. You can think simultaneously but all things are not equally in response and I guess for example if racism in football personally impacts on you, then it’s natural to compare how matters of such are dealt with compared to this incident involving a pet. The problem like many of these kind of issues or misaligned punishments, is it’s often those that it doesn’t impact on, who don’t fully understand why some are making the comparison.
But we know that racism in football is treated extremely seriously (see Cavani incident for example). The FA charged and suspended him but has confirmed it will do nothing about Zouma because it is “not a footballing matter”.
Have to say, I’m in complete agreement with Chris Kirkland here. It’s hard to understand why the FA doesn’t consider it appropriate to charge Zouma in these circumstances. The Cavani incident shows that they have no problem with charging players for off-field activities and it’s hard to understand how this wouldn’t be considered to bring the game into disrepute.
Each to their own and a moral debate but Iike said, often it is those that haven’t experienced it that are making the comparison. It not what has been said or their reason for thinking it, it’s the impact. I rescue dogs who have experienced terrible abuse, most can be rehabbed. I’m also work in children protection, and many of the emotional abuse they carry into their adulthood. He deserves to be punished but your comparison is simple not the same.
you don't put your children down, have them neutered or sell their children. Pets are pets. They can be abandoned on the roadside in most cases.
They have a point or two
please watch. it comes with a warning
But my point was a one off remark that was bigotted - not ongoing emotional abuse.
Is guess it’s about peoples own moral compass. If you consider racial abuse or any abuse to an human as you do to a pet, then that’s up to the individual. Even as a pet owner I don’t because I understand the context in how it impacts on both differently. The punishment to Zouma is not based on the cats wishes and feelings, it’s how we morally view it in our society. Racism is beyond a moral issue and shouldn’t be seen the same in how it’s dealt with. The problem for many is it kind of tells some the importance of the agenda when some are making the argument that it should.
Maybe it’s me but even as a dog owner and some, would never see the abuse of an animal in the same way as the abuse of a person on a football pitch because the colour of their skin.
Zouma deserves everything that’s coming his way but the idea that this should be seen more in its punishment than crimes against someone because of the colour of their skin?
Didn’t see anyone calling Eddy a Cnut for his act of racism or that he should never play for Utd again?
……so it ok, once it’s only once? What he said he only hit the cat once?
Yes it is up to the individual no matter how much passive aggressiveness you want to cram into one post.
Bayern Munich’s Thomas Müller accused of animal cruelty by PETA over horse semen incident
https://m.independent.ie/sport/socc...hrRZ5uISShNbSVHGShTGqB8rTmEbku1XVItiHxZ4M-AT0
https://m.independent.ie/sport/socc...hrRZ5uISShNbSVHGShTGqB8rTmEbku1XVItiHxZ4M-AT0
What’s this?
Yep and maybe the forum should reconsider who they give ‘staff‘ badges out to if you think anything I wrote was ‘passive aggressive’. More than happy for you to ‘cut and paste’ what bits I wrote that in anyway highlighted this.
Not sure cause it’s posted without the context of the rest of the text. What’s your point?
This whole opening part starts with the premise it's the individual's choice, but you accept, while effectively saying you know better, especially as a pet owner and a general smartarse.
Ok, where’s the passive aggressive bit? You’ve forgotten to cut and paste where I have been and whilst you are at it, cut and paste where I said I know better? I do understand the context but not saying anyone else doesn’t.
…..also like said, the forum should rethink who they give badges to, not sure you should be belittling or equally abusing people with comments such as ‘smartarse’…..?
Maybe condescending is a better term for it.
I won my badge in a cracker at the last Caf Christmas party, but you're right, insults are unnecessary.
Its not ok obviously its degrees, but to me a one off remark is not the same as ongoing abuse, especially if said /done in the heat of the moment rather than either ongoing abuse or in this case actually taking pleasure in tormenting.
Nothing condescending to say I understand something, didn’t say you or anyone else don’t.
Who’s Eddy?
Before being accused as condescending, heat of the moment even once, is once too many. A lots of truths are often said in the heat of the moment.
Tbh both are a sad reflection on society
Cavani.
Yep, not condescending at all nor the issue subjective or able to be compartmentalised, seemingly. Just you understanding it 'even as a pet owner', while others by inference clearly don't.
Really? Only the biggest pieces of shit decide to adopt/purchase an animal and then abandon it on the side of the road and/or abuse it. Obviously a dog or cat isn't the same as a child, but that doesn't mean it's okay to abuse it or abandon it.
its very common
It's illegal.
Right, ok.