Hmm not far enough but it's a start.
Kurt Zouma / 180 hours community service + banned from keeping cats for 5 years
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Hmm not far enough but it's a start.
Pound of flesh and his first born son.
Brigitte Bardot as well
This thread is pretty insane.
*Player kicks cat and slaps it to the floor*
Rightfully condemned
*Bizarre question of rough play*
Called out
*Edgy contrarians enter*
Mostly ignored
*Can’t have opinion on cat kicking if you ate in KFC*
….
*Racism*
…..
Absolutely bizarre and definitely the worst thread going right now.
*Player kicks cat and slaps it to the floor*
Rightfully condemned
*Bizarre question of rough play*
Called out
*Edgy contrarians enter*
Mostly ignored
*Can’t have opinion on cat kicking if you ate in KFC*
….
*Racism*
…..
Absolutely bizarre and definitely the worst thread going right now.
People don’t seem to realise that he could get the cats back if they’re not injured/traumatised and he can demonstrate that he learnt his lesson and can look after them properly. On the other hand he may face further action, possibly criminal charges, if there are signs of further abuse. It’s in the hands of the RSPCA for the time being.
Further action - basically just Essex(?) Police/RSPCA concluding their investigation, doing the right thing by the law and a bit more dogs abuse from the stands. Then that's it for me.
Yes we need to talk about the swans!
What is exactly your problem? This is funny for you? Having a laugh?
You are example about perception of animal abuse in public. Go and make a joke in Greenwood's thread about domestic violence and see how quick you will be banned. Or Elanga's thread about racial abuse.
But here; all jokes are allowed
Absolutely embarrassing thread. Some scumbag abuses his pets and the thread turns into a debate about racism. Are you not capable of sticking to the subject? Do you have to bring racism into every thread?
A worldwide manhunt was undertaken by a ragtag group of interneters for a murderer who also killed cats. The murderer happened to be white.
It's so sad that race has been brought into this, but it was bound to happen.
In what way has there been a overreaction? Do you actually think he’s been hard done by?!?!
Makes zero deference of the persons skin colour, religion, gender, sexuality etc. Zouma has been filmed volleying a cat and other things couldn’t bring myself to watch…..he deserves the backlash he’s getting and the subsequent hate.
If that then becomes of any racial note then of course those then needed to be brought to justice also. The merry round just continues. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Absolutley right.
What gets so stupid from Antonio is that he talks away from the issue with some nonsens for this situation. We are talking about animal abuse. I think it would be very strange to talk about oil prices or ocean polution if the issue was racism in some question.
One of my favorite posts on Redcafe simply because of how awful it is
Well its really only down to people reacting to things they can relate to. "Caring" and "Empathy" are quite different while also connected.
Zouma is being willified because most people genuinely like cats. They are cute, most of us have interacted with one, they are generally well liked. They are pets and family members. So, most people have a familiar bond with cats.
I dont have a bond with racism the same way a person of color does. I have never felt how it affects my life, so of course I cant "get it". I certainly feel empathy towards those who suffer under it. But Id be lying if I said that I ever lost sleep over it. Just like most people post faux outrage over the treatment of the Chinese Uighurs, a people they have only recently learned exist and now they care. Just like they care about: Increase in domestic violence, rape, murder of innocent hikers, unfair taxes, political corruption, rising housing prices, potential of war in Ukraine, civil unrest in Africa that cost hundreds of human beings their lives, innocent all. Child hunger, human trafficking, opioid epidemics and an actual pandemic.
If we could we should be outraged about those things every waking moment because they are happening right now. Caring about everything is exhausting and impossible.
People are reacting this way in part because Zouma is a person in a position of privilege, caught abusing something innocent. The two make up a far greater reaction than if someone on the street had kicked a cat. People witnessing it would certainly have been angry, but it wouldnt make national news. Zouma is a known figure in Britain. He is rich and leads a life most people can dream of, and yet he is caught abusing a cat for laugh. That is why the reaction is so extreme.
Since this happened in Britain, this is the reaction he is getting. Im a dog person myself. If I see a dog being abused in a YouTube video that illicits a far greater emotional response than nearly any violence towards a human being I have no connection to.
Adding the fact that Zuma is black to the discussion adds nothing of value. Would the reaction be he same if Harry Kane kicked a cat? Definitely worse, as he is in a even greater position of power as the captain of England.
Now, there are certainly scumbags on the internet that will be racists towards Zouma, because they are the worst kind of loser taking out their misery on someone behind anonymity. But the backlash he is getting is by far and large because he kicked a cat, like a cnut.
People will always only invest their emotional energy in things that lie close to the heart. Everything else is for someone else to be concerned about.
So, from the last few pages I've gathered that we wouldn't care a bit about this if the cat was black. That's about right, yeah?
Why does everything have to get politicised?
Zouma was kicking a cat and to me that’s tantamount to animal abuse and a gross disregard for animal welfare. The cat had no way of fighting back. That’s the issue at hand.
What value is there in drawing baseless comparisons to other forms of equally harrowing injustices, discrimination or bullying in the game? All these actions are horrendous and should be banished from sport. There is no need for a hierarchisation.
Zouma was kicking a cat and to me that’s tantamount to animal abuse and a gross disregard for animal welfare. The cat had no way of fighting back. That’s the issue at hand.
What value is there in drawing baseless comparisons to other forms of equally harrowing injustices, discrimination or bullying in the game? All these actions are horrendous and should be banished from sport. There is no need for a hierarchisation.
Is it really over the top? No, imo, this country is full of animal lovers, it's not their fault that poc don't get this.
Vitriol, in the past, has been directed at white people just as much as Zouma, so to say it's because he's black is total bollocks. It's people trying to deflect from the cruelty directed at the poor cat.
Exactly.
A lot more so that it gets into people's minds that animal cruelty is wrong
It shouldn't have even been mentioned in this thread, let alone someone outright saying that's the reason for the outrage.
Poc can do bad things as well as white a should be called out on it when they do.
He's acting a bit of a prat now, to be honest.
Prosecuted by the law to, hopefully, set an example why animal cruelty is wrong.
This has nothing to do with race, jesus.
Substitute Zouma for Lindelof, McTom, Son, Kane, Kate, Xhaka, whoever you like - the reaction would be the same.
This thread has been a real eye opener.
Substitute Zouma for Lindelof, McTom, Son, Kane, Kate, Xhaka, whoever you like - the reaction would be the same.
This thread has been a real eye opener.
You know the answer to that is yes, don't you?
Sorry, can I just ask, are you white?
What's that got to do with animal cruelty?
Bloody black people always going on about racism, what is their problem?
Not the right thread to do it in?
This is about animal cruelty, nothing to do with race.
It's a forum, questioning why a group of people bring something up constantly is a pretty solid indicator that you don't understand the issues they face when it comes to that topic.
Nothing to do with racism.
Holy cow.
if someone was found to be abusing animals or people, regardless of color, I'd want them out of the league completely. Have some backbone - get rid of the people who are pieces of shit and don't deserve money or support from us.
Holy cow.
if someone was found to be abusing animals or people, regardless of color, I'd want them out of the league completely. Have some backbone - get rid of the people who are pieces of shit and don't deserve money or support from us.
Reading comprehension is at an all time low, I'm sure neanderthals had greater critical thinking skills.
As a non-white person I look at the gleeful reaction on social media when a boat full of asylum seekers dies, and then I compare it to the reaction on social media when a footballer kicks a cat. It does make you wonder about your place in society and how you're viewed.
Antonio brining the question about racism into this debate is perfectly fine, as he's simply using racism as a reference point to put the desired punishment into perspective. Did anyone call for Suaréz to be fired from Liverpool back then? Or all the many fans that regularly get fined for racist chants against players? I think Antonio's got a point though - the severity of Zuma's punishment called for by the masses on social media is really exaggerated relative to what else others are punished for.
Basically, a fecking arsewipe kicks and slaps a defenceless cat for laughs and giggles.
Anyone who tries to defend the prick is either lying, wumming or an idiot.
Anyone who tries to defend the prick is either lying, wumming or an idiot.
I'm not blaming the Premier League but I do think they should get involved. It was wrong of West Ham to play him and they need to be punished.