I thought the 'vegan' approach was already a dumb take in this whole incident but somehow it now became a racism incident. 
Kurt Zouma / 180 hours community service + banned from keeping cats for 5 years
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The Zouma Affair moves to France. According to our information, the main French associations for the defense of animals, the SPA and 30 Millions d'Amis, have filed a complaint against Kurt Zouma for mistreatment of an animal. The Brigitte Bardot Foundation has also announced its intention to file a complaint against the French defender of West Ham
Can we not just lock this train wreck of a thread? It’s already in the pits as it is? @Mr Pigeon @golden_blunder @Solius
No it's not, "race card" means using race as excuse to not get criticized when doing something wrong.
That's it, no more than that.
Christ, stop embarassing yourself. It’s not even worthy to explain you why it’s beneficial for them because I’m 100% sure you won’t understand.
Ok, CCP.
It's arguably in the best interest of many pets, when done correctly.
Oh my.
I did read the first sentence. Although I am for a free speech colours of a person have nothing to do with it. You defended the poster by going forward in that direction making it like some racist western cultural agenda people have.
What Zouma did is disgrace and so is West Ham for playing him. ”Playing” with animals by kicking them across the room is disgraceful. If people want to make that racial like some posters and players fine. You can always say there is some other more important issue and people should react more to those than abuse of animals. Why did Antonio take colour as example? Why not war? Climate warming? Gender equality?
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I agree with you guys but I think this is just part of the culture in our society.
I know a lot of people who will give huge donations to animal charity’s but don’t donate to charity’s which help people on poverty and starving.
Some society’s just have a huge respect towards animals, England has always had a over the top love for animals. Race and this are two different issues though and shouldn’t compare IMO. Both should be very punishable.
Indeed. It's not nearly enough. He's scum.
That's not true. It implies that people just have racism in their back pocket ready to use whenever they want. It's often used to shut down genuine claims of racism by people who do not want to engage in substance of the claim.
I think this thread has already gone down the toilet so this will probably be my last response in here. Happy discuss further if you wish. My original reply to you wasn't meant as an attack, just an FYI, I hope you know that.
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Only way this can be a racism incident is if Cnut Zooma prefers British shorthairs to bengals.I thought the 'vegan' approach was already a dumb take in this whole incident but somehow it now became a racism incident.
Maybe it might be beneficial to select persons with undesirable characteristics or with an inability to take care of their offspring for sterilisation/castration. It would be beneficial for them and maybe the rest of society...What say you?
Yeah, there’s much worse animal abuse going on than a cat getting kicked in the kitchen.
Cats are gone. He’s been fined. Susepend him and move on.
Some crazy feckers want him to go to prison for this. Mental.
interesting. I didn't consider Alonso. Thats mad when you think about it like that
I can't believe people are defending Zouma. WTF is there to defend? Kurt is Muslim too, he should know better. Islam is clear about cruelty to animals.
That's OTT. A fine and some community service with an animal shelter ought do the trick.
By a high profile footballer and caught on camera?
There's a billion more important things than football going on in the world, yet here we are. What's your point?
I like the idea of community service in some animal shelter. It could actually do some good and maybe convince some people to adopt animals or at least support animal shelters.
Exactly what I said.
Not a billion more important things than football for me either.
West Ham getting outflanked by non-league clubs here:
If you are frothing at the mouth after hearing what Antonio had to say, maybe you taking this a bit too personally and need to relax. This issue will be resolved without anyone's histrionics in this thread.
That is another story entirely, I wasn't. Even then I highly doubt a player would be sacked if they were England captain, banned and fined yes, sacked, highly doubt it
In some places there are too many cats and not enough people to take care of them. It's better if people adopt dogs and cats instead of breeding.
There are shelters that are full of ex-pets who unfortunately end up needing to be put down because they can't be accommodated.
I hope you realise I was speaking to the cases of people calling for Zouma to be sacked, which is way over the top in my opinion.
If it happens we shall see, so far we have seen multiple instances of it happening and no player being sacked (of course I am not solely speaking about the PL)
I don't think it's as easy as saying "of course, they would be sacked" there is 0 evidence to support this.
The PL and FAs own rule books do not support that either
Well said.
Complete and utter bollocks.
Seems some people just want to make everything about race, bellends.
And I thought the thread was at its nadir a couple of hours ago…
Speak for yourself, most of us don't do that.
Stop trying to deflect from what is a terrible act of animal cruelty. Racism has nothing to do with this so stop with the excuses.
The reaction he’s getting is from a culture that loves animals and considers them family. Perhaps an over reaction from some but that’s from the love of animals. There was a similar over reaction when a white lady’s dog mauled a seal a couple of months ago and she wasn’t even famous but made all the news.
You have serious issues and I hope you get some help to deal with them.
Why not, if that's what the law allows?
Should at the very least be prosecuted, it's the perfect example to show that animal cruelty won't be allowed, no matter who you are or how rich you are.
I can imagine this won't be a popular take, since I can see why people think it's deflecting or inappropriate to bring up racism in response to this animal abuse case, but I love the response by Antonio because he's right in how the public is responding to this seems to be an extra level of what people respond to racism. A big part of that is that, and I can relate as a dog owner, you feel an absolute sense of fury at someone who would abuse an animal that cannot defend itself, I can't think of a single animal lover that wouldn't feel it, whereas racism hits differently for different people. Some bury their head in the sand and act like it's overblown, and others find racism in everything even when it's not there, and I don't think Antonio was hinting that there was a racist element to how Zouma's been vilified for this.
Similarly, I don't think the reaction Zouma's received had anything to do with the fact he's black, I think that's nonsense. I'm pretty sure any player that's in the public eye getting caught doing that is getting the same level of vitriol. That wasn't Antonio's point, and it doesn't make it any less relevant. I prefer him raising this point than <insert rehearsed PR line here>.
Similarly, I don't think the reaction Zouma's received had anything to do with the fact he's black, I think that's nonsense. I'm pretty sure any player that's in the public eye getting caught doing that is getting the same level of vitriol. That wasn't Antonio's point, and it doesn't make it any less relevant. I prefer him raising this point than <insert rehearsed PR line here>.
What?
Uk has some of the toughest measures against animal cruelty since the maximum sentence got raised to five years in jail. I don’t think Zouma’s case is severe enough, but I’d absolutely have no problem with him getting a suspended sentence or something.
This kind of behaviour isn’t right and has to be punished.
This is incredibly sweet. I’m glad the cat is helping you in this way! Animals are incredible
Let me rephrase: Treat them as not much more than property.
I nor the poster I responded to attempted to deflect from anything. You can think what Zouma did is deplorable behavior (which I do) AND think the reaction is over the top (which I do) AND think the over-the-top reaction is due to race (which I don't know). I don't think reflecting the last POV deserves any sanction as it's not a complete inane suggestion (Zouma is black) and Western media has a history of needlessly tearing down black athletes (i.e. Pogba & Sterling). If you or anyone else are offended by his opinion that's something you need to workout with yourself, but it doesn't deserve a ban IMO.
Animals are incredible. It’s not hard to see why everyone is so enraged by this - UK is just obsessed with its pets. This almost certainly has nothing to do with the fact that Zouma is black. If this was a white player, whom did the same thing, he’d get hammered exactly the same.