A fine and a few match ban is enough. People wanting to end his career and jail time is ludicrously over the top.
Kurt Zouma / 180 hours community service + banned from keeping cats for 5 years
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Agreed, utter dafties.
George W. Bush cried when his dog died.
People going on about Suarez and other older incidents you do realise they were a decade ago right?
Things have fortunately moved forward since then in football and society in general. They aren’t where they should be but to compare then to now as some kind of proof is naive.
A player found guilty of racism now would be sacked and pretty much lose everything. Rightly so too.
No one with a brain is calling for Zouma to be sacked however it should be obvious to anyone that as a nation of animal lovers what he did was always going to cause an outrage regardless of his ethnicity, which frankly has nothing to do with the backlash he’s received and deserves.
Things have fortunately moved forward since then in football and society in general. They aren’t where they should be but to compare then to now as some kind of proof is naive.
A player found guilty of racism now would be sacked and pretty much lose everything. Rightly so too.
No one with a brain is calling for Zouma to be sacked however it should be obvious to anyone that as a nation of animal lovers what he did was always going to cause an outrage regardless of his ethnicity, which frankly has nothing to do with the backlash he’s received and deserves.
That was serious fowl play though
Lack of empathy towards animals showed in this thread is sickening
Completely agree.
Animal abuse goes on all the time all over the world yet gets very little media coverage. A high profile incident like this happens and finally, and rightly, puts it in the headlines for once.
It's really disappointing, but not surprising, that some think the issue of animal abuse doesn't warrant that level of coverage or outrage.
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Why's Hazard being brought into this? Him kicking that ballboy was a stupid, but ultimately very human thing to do. Lost his temper just as everyone does sometimes, when he was being provoked into exactly that. Nothing about beating an innocent cat just because you think it's funny is even in the same ballpark.
Don't like this whole "yeah it was bad but what about this other bad thing someone else did?" narrative that Antonio seems to be adding tinder to.
Don't like this whole "yeah it was bad but what about this other bad thing someone else did?" narrative that Antonio seems to be adding tinder to.
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Very good post.
I've made similar points in different posts, but good to read them all collectively like that.
But did he ever show that he didn't value human lives, though?
There are laws against animal cruelty (with jail time up to 5 years), in case you didn't know. Just because you don't care, doesn't mean other people are overreacting.
People have been sacked for similar incidents though. You and I work in different trades but I’m sure we’d both be fired if a clip of us abusing a cat went viral and our respective bosses saw it. I know for a fact I’d be out of a job.
Racism is just way to broad an issue to make comparisons. It can range from Hitler to an old person still thinking they can still used 'coloured'. Everything is subjective.
I'm sure some did call for Suarez to be sacked even though that was a time when social media was less pervasive. His point is irrelevant, some random people asking for something on the internet makes no difference, Zouma looks likely to face no real punishment and the fact that he played less than 24 hours later indicates that his actual employer's are not going to react to the views of some people on the internet so the talk of him being sacked will amount to nothing. It came out 2 days ago, it's not like we're still going on about this after 6 months, so of course there's an outrage about it right now. Does Antonio just want people to not talk about it?
That fair enough and to be honest true.
I guess I wrote that with an acceptance that it won’t happen given he’s a footballer and valuable to the club. Given me food for thought now though!
This is so accurate, I respect my cat the same way I respect my girlfriend and she is doing the same. For two years now he has been the boss of the house really. I’m more excited when buying him treats or food than I’m excited when i buy things for myself. Also, this cat has been better than any antidepressant I’ve ever taken, he helped me get out of the darkest place I’ve ever been.
Lucky to escape with a ban and not an actual assault charge for attacking Roy Hodgson
As much as I find Zouma's behaviour appalling, I find the reaction to the incident way over the top. There is a long list of footballers and other sportspersons who committed worse offences with more serious consequences but faced less punishment and have carried on with their careers. Alonso killed a human being, got a small fine and is still playing.
$250,000.00 and loss of income for kicking and slapping a cat...This world has gone full crazy..
Christ.This is such an overreaction.
Have I missed something or do we not still live in a society that's willing to slaughter animals because they taste good?
Should Moyes only start vegans in his team?
imagine dragging racism into this
Oh boy.
There will always be a question of racism when a minority and the media meet, but I think this is just a case of people loving animals and being disgusted by the plain to see nature of the abuse via the video. There was very similar outrage in Ireland recently enough with one of the top horse trainers, where some pics were going around WhatsApp of him sitting on a dead horse ripping the piss(and some other pics I think), and he was fairly crucified in the media for it. It really didn't help that West Ham did sweet feck all about it until they were pressured into doing so. Dropping him for a few games and sorting it out probably would have made it less of a story.
So you’d be happy for him to be locked up over this?
Too much or not enough?
Should be locked up for years.
Too much...and way out of proportion!!
fecking state of this thread
I guess people can pick bits from that that suits what they want. Especially in terms of degree of punishment.
But the paragraph that reinforces what many have said on here is:
"We have seen some people draw comparisons between animal cruelty and discriminatory abuse. Both are wrong and it is not helpful - victims are not in competition with each other."
That's the main point many keep trying to stress, that there's all kinds of victims and all forms of abuse deserve to be highlighted and condemned. And this story is about animal abuse. So let those victims 'have a voice' for once. It's nice to see the CEO of Kick It Out acknowledging that rather than taking the Antonio approach.
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I find spaying and neutering animals..more cruel and inhumane..
The race card it's expiring , dude.
You find extending their lifespan, reducing risk of various cancers and making them better behaved and easier to socailize cruel and inhumane?
Pretty sure you wouldn't be fined that much for something as trivial as physical abuse.
But Zouma is a public personality who is paid shit loads and represents his club and country. Hence there is a lot of money and reputation at stake.
I'll grant you that the reason why it's necessary to do it is human folly, i.e. an unnatural situation created by humans. But given that situation has been created it absolute is not "more cruel and inhumane" than just letting litter after litter of kittens lose on the streets.
Kick It Out is an absolute shower though. Completely irrelevant entity.
You might not like to hear this mate, or maybe not even realise it, but the concept of the race card, in the way you and a lot of people use it, is pretty racist.
It was actually Chris Kirkland who initially compared animal abuse and racism, claiming that animal abuse is worse so it’s funny that you label it the Antonio approach.
I think if u gave the cat the option ....he would take the kick...9 times out of 10