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In fairness we haven't got a hope of getting him as I am sure he would choose Barca, Bayern or Chelsea if he was to leave ahead of us but yes he is the ultimate muppet transfer

The annoying thing is, City seem to have been able to attract top players by spunkin money at them. Yet, if we're willin to spunk money on wages - players are still more likely to go elsewhere...

It seems many players want the buckets of cash but not the pressure of actually earning it - on & off the field!
 
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He hasn't even really played in central midfield for Atletico this season, more so on the right.

Still, top young player, not sure how high his threshold is, as in, I don't think he's worth money like that. But there's no way he'll leave anyway.
 
He won't leave. I don't think he is worth the price being bantered about but I'd love him. I think he could develop really well as a CM. Maybe one day. Hopefully.
 
Seems very steep. From what I've seen he's a good player but not exactly the new Zidane.

My sentiments also. I dont see the hard-on for him to be honest - definitely not for that money!

He's at a great age though & i couldnt give a shite how much we spend as long as we sort the mid-field out. I'm sick of us all havin that same old conversation - enough is enough. Sort it once & for all & then keep sortin it...

Its rediculous for a club our stature not havin a proper mid-field to boast about. Its embarrassing to say the least!
 
The annoying thing is, City seem to have been able to attract top players by spunkin money at them. Yet, if we're willin to spunk money on wages - players are still more likely to go elsewhere...

It seems many players want the buckets of cash but not the pressure of actually earning it - on & off the field!

What you also have to remember is (until recently) we had world class players jostling for position. If you had to compete for your place in the starting XI, would you rather have to dislodge Ronaldo and Rooney or Milner and Bellamy?
 
Eh? Meeting the buyout clause takes it out of Atletico's hand, not his.
Well rejecting and deciding to stay would be against the club's wishes if they've agreed that 48m is the fee where they'd be willing to sell.
 
The price is steep but it's only relative to market value. Asier Illaramendi went to Real Madrid for 33 million and Ander would've cost the same last season. Koke is a younger, more superior player to both of them. If he could solve 1 CM spot for the next 10 years, then why not ? Even 48 million will seems a bargain by then.
 
Well rejecting and deciding to stay would be against the club's wishes if they've agreed that 48m is the fee where they'd be willing to sell.

That's if Atletico do want to sell. With Costa and Luis likely to be off, they wont be needing cash. Us matching the release clause doesnt mean they want to sell.
 
Well rejecting and deciding to stay would be against the club's wishes if they've agreed that 48m is the fee where they'd be willing to sell.

Just because the club agreed to the release fee in January, which will also have been negotiated by Koke's agent by the way, doesn't mean that they actually want rid of him.
 
That's if Atletico do want to sell. With Costa and Luis likely to be off, they wont be needing cash. Us matching the release clause doesnt mean they want to sell.

If we activate the release clause they have to sell, that's what such clauses are for. Once triggered there's no room for negotiation if the player agrees personal terms. eg. Once Bayern activated Gotze's clause Dortmund had no other option than to let him go.
 
If we activate the release clause they have to sell, that's what such clauses are for. Once triggered there's no room for negotiation if the player agrees personal terms. eg. Once Bayern activated Gotze's clause Dortmund had no other option than to let him go.

Read the entire conversation please, you're missing the context.
 
He's worth it. Great all rounder, and one of the best midfielders in the world last season. Took me a while to realise just how good he is, but I must say I'd easily have him, even for that price, above Kroos or Fabregas. Bit of strength and movement around him and we're back.
 
What's happened? Haven't seen a single tweet or link regarding Koke..

Nothing but some Spanish paper reporting a link. I hate it when you see threads like this updated every second only to see it's a page full of discussion on what might happen. It's as bad as reading newspaper speculation.
 
That's if Atletico do want to sell. With Costa and Luis likely to be off, they wont be needing cash. Us matching the release clause doesnt mean they want to sell.
Just because the club agreed to the release fee in January, which will also have been negotiated by Koke's agent by the way, doesn't mean that they actually want rid of him.
I'm sure they don't want to get rid, but every player has his price and the whole point of a release clause is to ensure that price is high. If someone matches it then I really can't see him stopping it - I don't know of any other time a clause has been matched and the player has turned it down. Looking at the history of Atletico they're a club who often sell their best players for good money. As much as they'd rather keep him, if someone comes in with 48m (or whatever the figure), an offer both parties agreed was one they couldn't refuse, he's unlikely to turn it down.
 
What you also have to remember is (until recently) we had world class players jostling for position. If you had to compete for your place in the starting XI, would you rather have to dislodge Ronaldo and Rooney or Milner and Bellamy?

Of course. They're streets ahead of us now in terms of squad quality though & will spend some more this summer..
 
Of course. They're streets ahead of us now in terms of squad quality though & will spend some more this summer..

True, but they're also struggling to attract as many players as they did a few years ago it would seem. That's not to say they aren't attracting any, but it's easier to have a blank canvas.
 
Nothing but some Spanish paper reporting a link. I hate it when you see threads like this updated every second only to see it's a page full of discussion on what might happen. It's as bad as reading newspaper speculation.
Haha yeah I know. Gotta love muppet season. In all fairness we'd never get Koke. More chance of Cesc in my opinion.
 
What you also have to remember is (until recently) we had world class players jostling for position. If you had to compete for your place in the starting XI, would you rather have to dislodge Ronaldo and Rooney or Milner and Bellamy?
This is a good point, though I think right now we're in a similar position with Cleverley, Fellaini, an ageing Carrick and a knackered Fletcher.
 
True, but they're also struggling to attract as many players as they did a few years ago it would seem. That's not to say they aren't attracting any, but it's easier to have a blank canvas.

There's more than one City-type about now thats willin to pay stupid wages though man. We're even doin it with Rooney & we're more than likely to continue that trend...

Its sickening that players expect to be paid the same wages as another player at a new-money club. Its feckin pathetic & unrealistic. There's 2 tiers in the transfer market - the new-money club riches & revenue-generated clubs - massive feckin difference thats lost on those shower of pricks!

Its hard to fathom why i still follow football anymore, considering the amount of greedy twats that only play for the love of money & not the game or its fans..
 
Would love it if it happened. Loads of money but for a top class young player like koke, I don't really care as he's also a midfielder and somebody we really need and have needed the past few years.

Before I thought there was no chance of him leaving, and he still probably won't, but as they won the league, he might feel like there's nowhere else to go but down with atletico so he wouldn't turn us down. The other top clubs wouldn't match the release clause anyways so if we did bid that much and he was open to it, I think we could get him.
 
I don't really get why people want him so bad. I mean his a great player. But how does he fit in? I remember reading that he is CM last summer, well i've seen him this year for quite a number of times, and he is definitely not a CM. Nowhere near actually. He is a number 10, e very similar player to Mata, he can play on the side, but then he needs to be the only player of this type, cause he drifts out of position so much. In Atletico it works, because he usually balanced by more of a classic wing player Turan and Adrian, who is sort of water-carrier and allows Koke to roam free.

I think we need not only good players, but also the players who can fit here in a sense, that there is a little sense to collect all the number 10s we can, and then try to figure out how to fit them all together.

I would prefer us going for a proper CM, and if LVG wants to play 4-3-3 we need at least on winger forward either, because Valencia for example is more of a wing back than a forward. But it has to be a quick player who is comfortable on the wing.
 
I'm sure they don't want to get rid, but every player has his price and the whole point of a release clause is to ensure that price is high. If someone matches it then I really can't see him stopping it - I don't know of any other time a clause has been matched and the player has turned it down. Looking at the history of Atletico they're a club who often sell their best players for good money. As much as they'd rather keep him, if someone comes in with 48m (or whatever the figure), an offer both parties agreed was one they couldn't refuse, he's unlikely to turn it down.

Fwiw, I dont see them turning down an isolated 48mil bid. But one has to consider that they're already selling Costa and maybe even Luis. The 2 combined will fetch them 50mil. That changes everything.
 
Would love it if it happened. Loads of money but for a top class young player like koke, I don't really care as he's also a midfielder and somebody we really need and have needed the past few years.

Before I thought there was no chance of him leaving, and he still probably won't, but as they won the league, he might feel like there's nowhere else to go but down with atletico so he wouldn't turn us down. The other top clubs wouldn't match the release clause anyways so if we did bid that much and he was open to it, I think we could get him.

I just dont see it happening. I know thats a gloomy point of view, but we've been down this road so many times that i'm payin no intention to it anymore.

To be honest, i'm still fumin with the Kroo's deal to give a shit about who the next rumour is.. Just seems to be a constant "hopes up then crash & burn.." scenario with us far too many times & no back-up plan B CM target signed - Fellaini excluded!
 
I don't really get why people want him so bad. I mean his a great player. But how does he fit in? I remember reading that he is CM last summer, well i've seen him this year for quite a number of times, and he is definitely not a CM. Nowhere near actually. He is a number 10, e very similar player to Mata, he can play on the side, but then he needs to be the only player of this type, cause he drifts out of position so much. In Atletico it works, because he usually balanced by more of a classic wing player Turan and Adrian, who is sort of water-carrier and allows Koke to roam free.

I think we need not only good players, but also the players who can fit here in a sense, that there is a little sense to collect all the number 10s we can, and then try to figure out how to fit them all together.

I would prefer us going for a proper CM, and if LVG wants to play 4-3-3 we need at least on winger forward either, because Valencia for example is more of a wing back than a forward. But it has to be a quick player who is comfortable on the wing.
Except he's not a number 10 at all, and is very capable of playing as a central midfielder. He is nothing like Mata too. Do you actually watch him play?
 
60m for a young midfielder, 27m for a promising left back, 48m for a Muppet with funny hair and 27m for a bigger Muppet with even funnier hair.

Football is well and truly fecked.
 
Fwiw, I dont see them turning down an isolated 48mil bid. But one has to consider that they're already selling Costa and maybe even Luis. The 2 combined will fetch them 50mil. That changes everything.
I do take your point but regardless of circumstances they can't turn the bid down either way. It would defeat the point of a release clause if the club influenced the player into rejecting any bid.
 
I don't really get why people want him so bad. I mean his a great player. But how does he fit in? I remember reading that he is CM last summer, well i've seen him this year for quite a number of times, and he is definitely not a CM. Nowhere near actually. He is a number 10, e very similar player to Mata, he can play on the side, but then he needs to be the only player of this type, cause he drifts out of position so much. In Atletico it works, because he usually balanced by more of a classic wing player Turan and Adrian, who is sort of water-carrier and allows Koke to roam free.

I think we need not only good players, but also the players who can fit here in a sense, that there is a little sense to collect all the number 10s we can, and then try to figure out how to fit them all together.

I would prefer us going for a proper CM, and if LVG wants to play 4-3-3 we need at least on winger forward either, because Valencia for example is more of a wing back than a forward. But it has to be a quick player who is comfortable on the wing.
That's actually not true in the slightest... His main position is a central midfielder, played as a defensive midfielder at times and plays as an attacking midfielder at times. This season he played mostly as a wide midfielder on either the right flank or left flank, and it's his versatility that is a big quality that works great for Atletico. Him being a very hard worker along with being a quality player means he can play anywhere in midfield without a problem. He would be perfect for us as the box to box player in a 4-3-3 if Van Gaal does choose to play like that, but being so versatile he can also play on the wing, further up or further back and you won't see much of a drop in quality.
One thing for sure is that he's definitely not a #10 and is absolutely nothing like Mata.
 
I don't really get why people want him so bad. I mean his a great player. But how does he fit in? I remember reading that he is CM last summer, well i've seen him this year for quite a number of times, and he is definitely not a CM. Nowhere near actually. He is a number 10, e very similar player to Mata, he can play on the side, but then he needs to be the only player of this type, cause he drifts out of position so much. In Atletico it works, because he usually balanced by more of a classic wing player Turan and Adrian, who is sort of water-carrier and allows Koke to roam free.

I think we need not only good players, but also the players who can fit here in a sense, that there is a little sense to collect all the number 10s we can, and then try to figure out how to fit them all together.

I would prefer us going for a proper CM, and if LVG wants to play 4-3-3 we need at least on winger forward either, because Valencia for example is more of a wing back than a forward. But it has to be a quick player who is comfortable on the wing.
I think he's still a proper CM and his performances out wide are just testament to his versatility. He's an efficient passer, is physically strong and has a tireless work rate, which suits a central role. I share your concern with regard s to overloading with number 10s but I don't think that's an issue in this case, as he's a cracking centre mid rather than a 10.
 
So the journos' random generator brought up this guy today...
I imagine them all standing around a huge machine that chugs away and spits out a slip, as soon as they get it, they all scatter off to their publications.
 
That's actually not true in the slightest... His main position is a central midfielder, played as a defensive midfielder at times and plays as an attacking midfielder at times. This season he played mostly as a wide midfielder on either the right flank or left flank, and it's his versatility that is a big quality that works great for Atletico. Him being a very hard worker along with being a quality player means he can play anywhere in midfield without a problem. He would be perfect for us as the box to box player in a 4-3-3 if Van Gaal does choose to play like that, but being so versatile he can also play on the wing, further up or further back and you won't see much of a drop in quality.
One thing for sure is that he's definitely not a #10 and is absolutely nothing like Mata.
In the matches i've seen he never played as DM. Not even as a CM. And against Chelsea at Stmford he played exactly the free roaming number 10 role. As he did in group matches in CL, against Zenit at home and Porto away.
EDITED: And in all the other CL matches from there on. Maybe he played as a DM against Barxa at home in CL, but the whole team played as DM as far as i understand, i did not watch that one.
 
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I imagine them all standing around a huge machine that chugs away and spits out a slip, as soon as they get it, they all scatter off to their publications.
To be fair bro, you have come out with a few "oh we will definitely sign this player and that player" comments. Not really in the best position to judge :lol:
 
I imagine them all standing around a huge machine that chugs away and spits out a slip, as soon as they get it, they all scatter off to their publications.
I am assuming so. In the last 10 days, we have been linked to 10 different players, a new player cropping up every morning, and then the story dies down at the end of the day. And if that wasn't it, they have also thrown a couple of managers into the mix.
 
I imagine them all standing around a huge machine that chugs away and spits out a slip, as soon as they get it, they all scatter off to their publications.
Like your "friend".
 
I think he's still a proper CM and his performances out wide are just testament to his versatility. He's an efficient passer, is physically strong and has a tireless work rate, which suits a central role. I share your concern with regard s to overloading with number 10s but I don't think that's an issue in this case, as he's a cracking centre mid rather than a 10.
He did not play at CM against Chelsea, he did not play there against Barcelona in La Liga final day, he did not play there in any CL matches i've seen. And that's three group matches, both Milan ones, 1-1 with Barca (0-0 i did not watch, i knew it will be like that), both Chelsea and final.
 
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