The only reports are that Thiago said we never officially made contact with him. Taylor also said Moyes didn't know enough about him and wasn't sure on him so he want for Fellaini instead, as he was proven in the league. There probably was interest before, but we never made official contact with him and so he went to Bayern.
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There have been numerous reports that Moyes turned down Thiago because he hadn't followed him for 20 years and wanted to go for Fellaini instead because he was more comfortable with it. Daniel Taylor, who has good sources, along with other journalists have reported that United and Fergie were very interested and the transfer was pursued but left up to Moyes, unfortunately. Everyone in football, with the exception of Moyes, recognized his talent so it would make sense that the club made contact with his representatives though not him, since that would happen if a deal was close.
Tells you everything you need to know about Moyes when he signs Fellaini over Thiago.
Clueless dinosaur!
Clueless dinosaur!
Koke over Kroos any day of the week.
Koke's set pieces are awesome!
To be fair I didn't like his corners, but later on when somebody other took them over ( don't know the name of a player ), he's done them in the same manner as Koke so it must be trained and just didn't work out yesterday.
Agree about his free kicks outside of the box though, powerful and very precise, one just has to simply touch the ball to make it go in.
I guess he'll stay 1 more season at atletico and then sign for Real or Barca after that
Everyone requires physical attributes but certainly Iniesta's key attributes are not acceleration and stamina. If he loses them, I bet you his performance as a player will not significantly decline as the reason he is good is due to his technical proficiency rather than pace and what not.
Kroos can stay where he is if we get Koke (which is not gonna happen either though)
Maybe we should get Simeone as manager and he can bring Koke with him. 
Yes, it was amazing that Thiago went to follow his previous manager to Bayern Munich, champions of Europe, given his agent is Peps brother.
All United had to do was ask and he would have been theirs!
And journalists always speak the truth. No agendas involved.
You muppets are hilarious!
Isn't he a childhood Atletico fan? Very little chance of him signing for Real.
Yes, it was amazing that Thiago went to follow his previous manager to Bayern Munich, champions of Europe, given his agent is Peps brother.
All United had to do was ask and he would have been theirs!
And journalists always speak the truth. No agendas involved.
You muppets are hilarious!
This.
Yes, it was amazing that Thiago went to follow his previous manager to Bayern Munich, champions of Europe, given his agent is Peps brother.
All United had to do was ask and he would have been theirs!
And journalists always speak the truth. No agendas involved.
You muppets are hilarious!
When they're all telling the same story, there's normally something to it.
We were keeping tabs on Thiago long before Bayern got involved. By the looks of things, we could've gotten him a month earlier before they ever declared interest. The first time they were actually linked with him properly was around a week before they actually got him.Yes, it was amazing that Thiago went to follow his previous manager to Bayern Munich, champions of Europe, given his agent is Peps brother.
All United had to do was ask and he would have been theirs!
And journalists always speak the truth. No agendas involved.
You muppets are hilarious!
Nothing is obviously confirmed but some of the rumours around Moyes not being convinced and delaying it for too long are too consistent with "Dithering Dave" and quite specific, to suggest they may well likely be true. The links with Thiago went on for a very very long time and were reported in many news outlets. I really do think that we fecked that one over - we took too long and once Bayern became an option, the choice was fairly easy at that point for Thiago given Pep and the end of SAF.
It is not a stretch at all to say we might have gotten Thiago. Its clear we were interested and Barca players like Iniesta, Xavi, Messi and even Guardiola have always spoken highly of our club. The plug was pulled on the transfer it seems and no official bid was ever made.
Indeed. Or we dithered too long and in the end Bayern got involved, at which point we had no chance.
Yeah yeah, Pep and Thiagos agent probably had no contact. Despite being brothers
It's a huge fecking stretch. As usual, muppets will believe whatever newspaper bullshit suits their dreams/narrative. A more gullible bunch has never existed.
Yes, it was amazing that Thiago went to follow his previous manager to Bayern Munich, champions of Europe, given his agent is Peps brother.
All United had to do was ask and he would have been theirs!
And journalists always speak the truth. No agendas involved.
You muppets are hilarious!
It was the club that put out the story that we turned down Thiago, not the other way around. They did it at the time to make it clear that players weren't turning down the club, and that Moyes was in control.
The story was then repeated when the club leaked a tonne of stories last week, basically to discredit Moyes. This time it said the said the same thing, but made it out to be a case of Moyes dithering.
If you don't believe it, that's your call. But its as credible a newspaper piece as I can name.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/04/manchester-united-ander-herrera-transfer-farce
Just read quotes in another thread where Thiago himself said there was never any contact from our side at any point.
His dad said there were conversations between Thiago and Man Utd before the u21 Euros, and that he was close to joining.
That was a quote rejecting a point his father had made saying we had approached the player directly. Don't think it meant we weren't in touch with the club.
As I say, it can be believed or not. Or perhaps the club lied to the press to look good. But it was a very credible story that clearly came from the club itself.
Thiago follows his manager to the Champions of Europe, and his agent is Guardiolas brother.
Of all the possible transfers to pick as the one that got away, this one is especially ridiculous.
Muppets will believe what they want to believe. If you really think that the club is now leaking that we would have signed loads of global superstars last year but for big bad nasty Moyes, then I guess you ignore the fact that Woodward, who botched umpteen deals it seems, might want to blame everything on Moyes now that he is gone.
The club fecked up last summer, but anyone who believes every piece of newspaper gossip that fits their worldview is asking for trouble. We'd have been "close to signing" every player under the sun if "credible" football hacks always wrote the truth. Sometimes they get good info from agents etc., but mostly it's just spin from agents/clubs looking to whip up the market, or just downright lies to sell papers.
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Why do you believe that Woodward messed up then? What concrete source did that come from I wonder?
lol Koke was a chubby kid.
There are actual quotes from involved indiviuals that United made concrete bids for Coentrao and Khedira at the death. No need for journalist hackery in those cases. The mere fact that United left such offers till the death = Woodward screw-up.
Did they say why they fell through?
Madrid, unsurprisingly, didn't want to sell players without any time to get replacements. A very good decision as regards Coentrao at least.
So if Woodward agreed two deals, but it was Madrid that couldn't get a replacement, how does that constitute Woodward botching umpteen deals?
What makes him special is of course his amazing technique. But even the most cerebral and technical players cannot shine without being at a peak physical condition. Xavi has seriously declined in the past couple of years, and Iniesta becomes a lesser player without his trademark runs against defenders.
The point is, moyes didn't even try to go for him when he was available and for a small price. He was too focused on fellaini and fabregas who everyone knew wasn't going anywhere. He completely ignored him, chose not to try and go for him when everyone knew he would have been perfect. Whether he would have ended up here or not is up for discussion, I feel like we definitely could have tempted him. But not even trying after fergie and the club were interested for so long? Inexcusable. That's moyes to blame 100%. You know what they say, you'll never score if you don't take a chance.Yes, it was amazing that Thiago went to follow his previous manager to Bayern Munich, champions of Europe, given his agent is Peps brother.
All United had to do was ask and he would have been theirs!
And journalists always speak the truth. No agendas involved.
You muppets are hilarious!
Superb player, I've been hugely impressed with him this year. They've got a great midfield there and still have Oliver Torres, who is regarded as a great talent on loan (probably others I don't know about as well). He was great last night, good thing he didn't pick up a yellow.
Did he sign a contract extension recently with an improved buyout clause, or am I mistaken here?
Did he sign a contract extension recently with an improved buyout clause, or am I mistaken here?
What deals were agreed? If Madrid agreed to the transfers then United would have got the players. Leaving yourself in a situation where you're making last minute offers for players as the window closes might be a clue to Woddward fecking up! Fecking hell, I didn't know Woodward had such support on here!
Its not that he does or doesn't have my support, that beside the point.
Its that you're criticising other people for believing newspaper transfer stories, while using the same stories to justify your criticism.
He did sign improved terms in September and January. Goes to show how valued he is and that he is committed to his club. They've also got Saul Niguez coming back from loan and Javier Manquillo, who's a promising right-back.
Fecking hell, if you cant find a named quote to prove your assertion that United would have gotten Thiago if they had only made a bid then I'll bow down before your intelligence!
I'm not the one claiming that named quotes are the only ones that can be trusted.
I'm essentially saying that reading between the lines of more credible articles is a perfectly reasonable way of trying to figure out what's going on behind the scenes. Compared to saying 'Well Pere Guardiola is Pep's brother, so that must be the reason'. Far as i can tell thats pretty much total guesswork.
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