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Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
He's a fantastic player.


Which is one of the reasons we won't sign him.
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The funny thing is that someone says this in every thread in the transfer forum and it always proves true.

We don't sign top players.

RVP, YES, was an exception. The stars quite literally aligned for that to happen. The only one in ten years.

Now that SAF has left, unless we change this policy our league position and stature will fully reflect this.
 
Atletico always seem able to hang onto players for a bit longer than you expect, the exception being DdG, but there I think we did make a real effort to convince the player that he was our chosen one.

I don't see Koke moving in January. With their current form I doubt he's eager to leave, and he's probably better off where he is in terms of the nationanal team. It's the ready-to-leave players who are the ones who move mid-season. At the end of the season? I think they'd sooner lose Diego Costa rather than lose a couple of their young players like Koke. So, it'll come down to what Koke really wants and I'm not sure he's eager to leave Spain.

That said, money talks and you never really know what's going on behind the scenes. Though I suspect all our bold talk about agent fees and wage deals will have to go on the back burner if we want him.
 
Knowing very little of the two most talked about midfield transfer targets, Herrera and Koke, which player suits United better? Or would the club possibly sign both?
 
MrMarcello said:
Knowing very little of the two most talked about midfield transfer targets, Herrera and Koke, which player suits United better? Or would the club possibly sign both?
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I think Herrera's game would suit the PL down to the ground and he'd be a good addition. But Koke is the overall better player and for me is potentially world class whereas I don't think Herrera is. Herrera is overpriced at his release fee, whereas it would be worth paying big money for Koke because of his bigger potential.
 
MrMarcello said:
Knowing very little of the two most talked about midfield transfer targets, Herrera and Koke, which player suits United better? Or would the club possibly sign both?
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I believe Herrera is better myself. More naturally gifted and will flourish here. Koke of course is also quality.

They are on Sky Sports one after another this evening so might be worth a look.
 
MrMarcello said:
Knowing very little of the two most talked about midfield transfer targets, Herrera and Koke, which player suits United better? Or would the club possibly sign both?
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Both but if I had to choose only one, it would be Herrera. I would be delighted if we go for both of them though, they'll cost around 60m but then our midfield would be sorted for next decade.
 
KingMinger22 said:
The funny thing is that someone says this in every thread in the transfer forum and it always proves true.

We don't sign top players.

RVP, YES, was an exception. The stars quite literally aligned for that to happen. The only one in ten years.

Now that SAF has left, unless we change this policy our league position and stature will fully reflect this.
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You mean figuratively
 
I've not seen enough of Koke to really comment, but I'm convinced that Herrera would be nothing but a very good asset for us. Will he ever be world class? I'm not sure. I am pretty sure that we'd get a very good level of service from him for a number of years. I watched him closely again tonight and I thought he was showing a lot of what we need. What I like the most was that the other Bilbao players would pass the ball to him even when he had opposition players all around him. He is really tidy in what he does. He's got a bit of everything, really.
 
Quick question, I read that Koke has a buyout clause lower then Herrea's? And is supposedly a better prospect too?

So why didn't we go for this lad in the first place?
 
pocco said:
I've not seen enough of Koke to really comment, but I'm convinced that Herrera would be nothing but a very good asset for us. Will he ever be world class? I'm not sure. I am pretty sure that we'd get a very good level of service from him for a number of years. I watched him closely again tonight and I thought he was showing a lot of what we need. What I like the most was that the other Bilbao players would pass the ball to him even when he had opposition players all around him. He is really tidy in what he does. He's got a bit of everything, really.
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Herrera got much better stamina, tackling and energy for getting around the pitch than Koke, both are neat in possession but technique and vision-wise Koke is better. Depends what we are looking for but ideally I'd want both of these players because I think they'd be a great fit together with what they both offer. Overall, because of his energy Herrera is the better PL fit so maybe it'll be him we go for. Together they are offering just what we need to make us a more solid and slick moving midfield, though neither are real goalscorers.
 
pocco said:
I've not seen enough of Koke to really comment, but I'm convinced that Herrera would be nothing but a very good asset for us. Will he ever be world class? I'm not sure. I am pretty sure that we'd get a very good level of service from him for a number of years. I watched him closely again tonight and I thought he was showing a lot of what we need. What I like the most was that the other Bilbao players would pass the ball to him even when he had opposition players all around him. He is really tidy in what he does. He's got a bit of everything, really.
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Apparently Herrera is a leader on the field and that is what we really need. Koke looked composed when he can on today, i need to watch him more though.
 
Sixpence said:
Herrera got much better stamina, tackling and energy for getting around the pitch than Koke, both are neat in possession but technique and vision-wise Koke is better. Depends what we are looking for but ideally I'd want both of these players because I think they'd be a great fit together with what they both offer. Overall, because of his energy Herrera is the better PL fit so maybe it'll be him we go for. Together they are offering just what we need to make us a more solid and slick moving midfield, though neither are real goalscorers.
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So would you say that Koke is creative then? If he's got better vision than Herrera then he must be good in that department because I think Herrera is capable of finding nice through balls etc.
 
Sam said:
Quick question, I read that Koke has a buyout clause lower then Herrea's? And is supposedly a better prospect too?

So why didn't we go for this lad in the first place?
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Herrera's the sort of always available for a pass, always working, potential box to box player that it's easy to see in our team. When the team's in a fight he'll try and make something happen.

Koke's more of a typical Spanish midfielder, lots of control and poise, less aggression.

But like all these things those are glib cliches. Herrera has passing discipline when he's asked to, Koke's got fight. What confuses the story even more is that Herrera usually gets played as a #10 (the worker type not the Ozil kind) and Koke plays wide. Which makes the "can he play in a 2 man midfield" case tricky to prove.

However I think the simple answer is that Herrera's been around longer and our scouting file is probably thicker - or was last season.
 
jojojo said:
Herrera's the sort of always available for a pass, always working, potential box to box player that it's easy to see in our team. When the team's in a fight he'll try and make something happen.

Koke's more of a typical Spanish midfielder, lots of control and poise, less aggression.

But like all these things those are glib cliches. Herrera has passing discipline when he's asked to, Koke's got fight. What confuses the story even more is that Herrera usually gets played as a #10 (the worker type not the Ozil kind) and Koke plays wide. Which makes the "can he play in a 2 man midfield" case tricky to prove.

However I think the simple answer is that Herrera's been around longer and our scouting file is probably thicker - or was last season.
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Knowing Spanish football as well as you so clearly do jojoj, who would suit us better of those two? Would you like either or both or is there another Spanish midfieder you'd suggest our scouts be looking at?
 
jojojo said:
Herrera's the sort of always available for a pass, always working, potential box to box player that it's easy to see in our team. When the team's in a fight he'll try and make something happen.

Koke's more of a typical Spanish midfielder, lots of control and poise, less aggression.

But like all these things those are glib cliches. Herrera has passing discipline when he's asked to, Koke's got fight. What confuses the story even more is that Herrera usually gets played as a #10 (the worker type not the Ozil kind) and Koke plays wide. Which makes the "can he play in a 2 man midfield" case tricky to prove.

However I think the simple answer is that Herrera's been around longer and our scouting file is probably thicker - or was last season.
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Ah I see, cheers Jojo.
 
He's never playing as a CM so it's difficult to say whether he'd do well in there.

Some talent though, in a creative sense.
 
Cina said:
Signed a new contract in September that pumped it up to £30m+ I believe.
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The Spanish press think it went to around €20m (about £16m) in September. There may be a couple of escalators in there, like for appearances with Spain, a development fee (usually 5% to Spanish youth football), but I'd be surprised if it's much over £20m.

You can also expect to pay some broker/agent fees as well. I expect we'd prefer to call that "consultancy".
 

Looks like this will have to wait until the summer:

Manchester United boss David Moyes has seen his chances of signing Atletico Madrid midfielder Koke diminish as reports suggest the 21-year-old is unwilling to leave the Vicente Calderon.
The talented midfielder has emerged in recent weeks as Moyes' preferred choice as he continues his search for a new central midfielder.
The United manager travelled to Madrid last Wednesday to personally run the rule over the Spanish international during their Champions League win over Portuguese champions Porto.
However, it appears that Moyes will have to look elsewhere as according to reports in Spain the player, given name Jorge Resurreccion, is thought to have no interest in leaving Diego Simeone's highly-impressive outfit any time soon.
Koke's high-energy style and versatility across a range of midfield positions has made him a key man in the Atleti starting XI and was rewarded for a magnificent season last term with a new contract in September.
And he has gone from strength to strength this season as Los Rojiblancos have romped through their Champions League group unbeaten.
Throw in that they also sit joint-top of La Liga alongside Barcelona, five points clear of city rivals Real Madrid, and things are looking bright for Simeone's men.
Koke has also forced his way into Vicente Del Bosque's senior Spanish squad in recent months, impressing at full-back and earning seven caps in 2013.
As such, the chance of winning another major honour with his boyhood club - having claimed the Spanish Cup, UEFA Super Cup and Europa League in the last 19 months - and concern over potentially losing his World Cup place means a move to Old Trafford next month may not be on his radar.
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KingMinger22 said:
The funny thing is that someone says this in every thread in the transfer forum and it always proves true.

We don't sign top players.

RVP, YES, was an exception. The stars quite literally aligned for that to happen. The only one in ten years.

Now that SAF has left, unless we change this policy our league position and stature will fully reflect this.
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I agree. The club will not neccessarily find it easy to attract top players and they may need to spend big money, but once a few are brought in then opthers will follow.

Moyes needs to be backed. He has a mammoth job already given the footsteps he's following in and withouit top players to call on he'll do nothing. The club needs to wake up and realise this fact because we're in real danger of being left behind.
 
"Koke has also forced his way into Vicente Del Bosque's senior Spanish squad in recent months, impressing at full-back and earning seven caps in 2013."

Da fuq?
 
marjen said:
Jojojo: Do you think he's capable of playing in central midfield for us?
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He's not a "like for like" swap for anyone - not a younger Scholes, Giggs or even Carrick - but then we never really get a like-for-like with United. Is he "United quality" - yes, for sure. Does he play a position where we need strengthening - yes, and I'd say even in his wide role he's proven that, we've often used players like Fletcher, Cleverley etc wide. Is he young enough to become the player we need - yes, he's one for the future as well as right now.

But, I tend to only start watching players after we've been linked with them (like Koke), or after they've looked like something special against Real Madrid or Barcelona (like Herrera, Navas, Negredo). So there will be plenty on here who've either watched him more (or remember him as an individual better) than I do, including some who've seen him play more as a centre mid.
 
I don't know whether to be really turned on or absolutely disgusted by the fact that jojojo is a girl.
 
Why would he leave in January when they're competing at the top to join our cause for chasing 4th?
 
There is no way he would leave in January, with the World Cup only a few months away he wouldn't want to risk his place in the Spain squad.
 
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