Kobbie Mainoo (out)

Posh Red said:
I disagree with the assertion that he ‘doesn’t fit the system’. No one can know that at this stage of the project and at this stage in his development.
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Whilst the sample size is not massive, Mainoo is a fantastic player in a system. The issue with this current system, is not suited for a player like Mainoo.

The lack of athleticism is a big issue for Amorim, he has been quite poor as a CM and not had enough games in the 10. It also seems like Amorim wants attacking players in the 10, players that have pace. Mainoo is a very good short passer, dribbler and press resistant, other than that, he has not shown much.

We haven't seen any sign that he is a creative player yet either to play in the 10, so sometimes you have to sell a player for the better of the team.

I do want to see him given the opportunity though, young players can improve and given the injuries / stop start season, a good rest and pre season might do him good.
 
Escobar said:
No one will pay us 70m for him. He would not move for more than 40-50m.
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Not a judgement on whether we should sell him or not but I am pretty sure Chelsea would go as high as 70M. They paid 50M for Lavia a couple of seasons back and Mainoo is a lot more established with at least as much potential.
 
Gandalf said:
Not a judgement on whether we should sell him or not but I am pretty sure Chelsea would go as high as 70M. They paid 50M for Lavia a couple of seasons back and Mainoo is a lot more established with at least as much potential.
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I doubt it but let's see what happens this summer
 
Brand Nubian said:
Imagine you are on 8 quid per hour while your collegue is on 20. He barely turns up for work, often calling in sick with some ear infection or other bollox. Even when he turns up for a couple week spell of work he does feck all. How long would your motivation last to work hardest for the company?
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Thats a nice analogy but he doesn't work for £8/hour and his mate who is on £20 was considered an exceptional worker at one point who might deserve that pay while you have barely got your foot in the door and are still learning your trade. Oh and your highly paid mate is circling the drain and the company is actively trying to get rid of him. Apart for that though its very very simple...

Brand Nubian said:
As for the ´United struggle to sell players for anything but peanuts is in large part due to the crazy wages average players are on´, United would not struggle to sell the likes of Mainoo, Amad, Garnacho and few others, even if they were on high salary. Its exactly these senior players on massive wages you cant move on.
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So you don't think that we would struggle to move on Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho if we stuck them all on £200k/week? Seriously? You think we would get good fees for those boys if they were on top salaries? Not a chance.
 
mctrials23 said:
Thats a nice analogy but he doesn't work for £8/hour and his mate who is on £20 was considered an exceptional worker at one point who might deserve that pay while you have barely got your foot in the door and are still learning your trade. Oh and your highly paid mate is circling the drain and the company is actively trying to get rid of him. Apart for that though its very very simple...



So you don't think that we would struggle to move on Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho if we stuck them all on £200k/week? Seriously? You think we would get good fees for those boys if they were on top salaries? Not a chance.
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Well said.
 
UnitedSofa said:
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I mean do you really believe this? There isn't a club out there that would pay an acceptable transfer fee, and also offer the kind of wages he's supposedly asking for (which I think has been misrepresented in the media anyway), not outside of Saudi Arabia. Do you think he'll go there?
 
Brand Nubian said:
for the ´United struggle to sell players for anything but peanuts is in large part due to the crazy wages average players are on´, United would not struggle to sell the likes of Mainoo, Amad, Garnacho and few others, even if they were on high salary.
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Napoli was interested in Garnacho. put him on the 150k long term contract and he instantly becomes way less attractive option for them. he remains the same unpolished young player they were targeting while suddenly being paid as prime Robben. there's little hope of Italian club paying premium transfer fee on top of premium wages for someone like him.

neither of them would become unsellable, but such high wages would most certainly narrow the list of clubs interested in buying them to the point we would most likely be selling them to our EPL rivals only.
 
Real Name said:
Who to believe?
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Obviously not the gutter press, the manager has come out recently and said he wants Garnacho and Mainoo to stay, so I doubt there is much truth to him being sold this summer
 
Cassidy said:
Obviously not the gutter press, the manager has come out recently and said he wants Garnacho and Mainoo to stay, so I doubt there is much truth to him being sold this summer
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The coach (he's not manager) may want a player, however he doesn't decide the salaries. If no agreement can be made on that, selling Mainoo earlier makes sense.
 
Cassidy said:
Obviously not the gutter press, the manager has come out recently and said he wants Garnacho and Mainoo to stay, so I doubt there is much truth to him being sold this summer
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Yeah it seems to me that false rumour he wants a big salary has spread like a wildfire.
 
I like Mainoo but no-ones paying us big £££ for him and the wages he's apparently after.

People say Chelsea but he wouldn't start for them.
 
SAF used to say kids not to worry about money because that will come later on. That worked beautifully with the likes of Giggs and Scholes. Those two played during the most stable and successful period at the club and by the time they were on the decline they were surrounded by fitness people who knew them so well that they could extend their career for another 3-4 years. It certainly didn't work for Wes Brown, a player who had the same potential of a Rio or a Terry but who got plagued by injuries very early in his career. Because of that he never really had the leverage to demand huge salaries and few years after he retired he went bankrupt. Mainoo is on 20k a week. With his muscle injuries becoming more persistent there's a risk of him ending up being caught in a similar situation to Wes Brown. Hence why the urgency from his camp to secure him a better contract based on a still glowing though fading reputation.

On the other hand I can't blame the club either. While the 180k a week is surely far fetched, I can see Mainoo asking 160k. As I said before those muscle injuries are a concern. It doesn't help the fact that Amorim wasn't given the chance to see for himself whether and in which role Mainoo can fit into his system. We're asking the manager to commit a chunk of his salary budget on a player who was barely available for him and who might or might not work into his system. That's a big ask considering that Amorim's stock isn't exactly high at the moment.

I hope that a compromise can be reached. Maybe Mainoo can accept an 80k-120k a week with his salary growing incrementally based on performances. That would give him the financial peace of mind he needs without forcing United to overcommit on him.
 
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Mainoo has had less than a full season in total as a first team squad player. He's 19. He should be on 50k max, no more, for the next 2 years.
 
He's got ages left on his existing contract. Why would unsuccessful contract talks result in us selling him?
 
If he won't lower his demands to a reasonable sum, get rid. Its that simple really.
No more free rids, no more mega contracts. Get paid what you deserve and if you reach higher levels, the money will flow.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
If he won't lower his demands to a reasonable sum, get rid. Its that simple really.
No more free rids, no more mega contracts. Get paid what you deserve and if you reach higher levels, the money will flow.
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Why? His contract runs until 2028 if the club exercises its option.

The winning move is to do absolutely nothing.
 
pcaming said:
Chelsea aren't giving him 180k a week
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One of the most reliable United journalists said these demands aren’t true. In fact, from what I seen - the source for these figures was a random poster coming in this thread and saying they read it on reddit. It could be very well that he ends up sold, but why are people approaching this as if those £180K week asks are true?

 
Dans said:
Mainoo has had less than a full season in total as a first team squad player. He's 19. He should be on 50k max, no more, for the next 2 years.
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Endrick is on 67k a week, Yildiz is on 47k a week, Konstantinos Tsimikas is on 75k a week and Cubarsi is on 67k a week. I think we can all agree that Mainoo is a better player than that. I'd say a 90k-120k a week should be good enough. It would put him under the likes of Gavi and Joao Neves but still far from the fringe player sweet spot.
 
Real Name said:
Yeah it seems to me that false rumour he wants a big salary has spread like a wildfire.
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It's gone on long enough and it is starting to cause a backlash towards the player that if it was totally false then him or his team would come out and say so. The silence on his side suggests some truth to this.

Why this is being leaked to the media is another thing and suggests dirty tactics on the side of the club.
 
devilish said:
Endrick is on 67k a week, Yildiz is on 47k a week, Konstantinos Tsimikas is on 75k a week and Cubarsi is on 67k a week. I think we can all agree that Mainoo is a better player than that. I'd say a 90k-120k a week should be good enough. It would put him under the likes of Gavi and Joao Neves but still far from the fringe player sweet spot.
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I absolutely cannot agree that he is better than any of them.
 
random posters stating how much he is worth in their opinion isn't a backlash btw.

it's a transfer forum. we all have similar opinions on players not even playing for us.
 
Utterly De Ligt'd said:
It's gone on long enough and it is starting to cause a backlash towards the player that if it was totally false then him or his team would come out and say so. The silence on his side suggests some truth to this.

Why this is being leaked to the media is another thing and suggests dirty tactics on the side of the club.
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Or its just made up.
 
An agenda! Right so if someone is not convinced a player is as good as others believe and discusses why in order to make his point, it's an "agenda" now is it?
 
Whatever happens, we definitely need to stop giving big contracts based on less than a season of solid performances. I have serious doubts about whether Mainoo has the athletic ability to be competitive in the Premier League.
 
Bwuk said:
I like Mainoo but no-ones paying us big £££ for him and the wages he's apparently after.

People say Chelsea but he wouldn't start for them.
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Chelsea or City would be obvious scheme fits though but of course in no way would we consider selling him to City. The discussion in here has focused a lot on his not being a fit for the system here, lacking in pace and athleticism specifically for the midfield or number 10 roles. Chelsea under Maresca are City clones with an emphasis on ball retention and endless recycling of possession, often played at a pretty slow tempo, Kobbie can do that all day with his eyes closed. Considering the Chelsea model of buying young talents and signing them to long contracts then Kobbie is of course a logical signing for them and based on the type of prices they have been willing to pay he would go for a big sum, the fact that Chelsea made clear they were more interested in Kobbie when they were being linked to Garnacho shows the interest is there. I don't honestly expect it to happen but if he is sold to a PL club this summer then odds on it is going to be Chelsea and it won't be for less than 60M and possibly a fair bit more.
 
2 things he can improve on :

1. Bring out the beast mode more often. Lesser calm and controlled and more beast mode and instinct. A bit of craziness of young Mainoo, ala Paul Ince crazyness and dominance presence will help his performance. Everything doesnt need to look nice. You don't get 3 points for a nice style.

2. Improve his running lungs. Improve his run faster and more ability


But in the end. United were struggling as a team, a poor collective do effect the individual. And with a new system and a always changing back/defend line behind him and the midfield. Include the attack. This factor did play big impact and was a big factor.


But the 2 points above, its more individual.

I think a young Cesc Fabregas would struggle in this United team too. But with a Fabregas in United center midfield. Bruno wouldn't need to drop deep as a 8.

Fabregas in a top solid Arsenal is totally different from Mainoo in this United set up and team. But i do recognize and believe where he can improve.

Fabregas like and old school cm and football players. They have that top craziness in theirs games. Always play with urgence, and go go go, attack attack attack. But the ball possesion football is more controlling, calmer.

Why for me too much Kobbie " Too calm " Mainoo.....bring the beast out boy. More often thank.
 
devilish said:
Endrick is on 67k a week, Yildiz is on 47k a week, Konstantinos Tsimikas is on 75k a week and Cubarsi is on 67k a week. I think we can all agree that Mainoo is a better player than that. I'd say a 90k-120k a week should be good enough. It would put him under the likes of Gavi and Joao Neves but still far from the fringe player sweet spot.
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You can't just pick a bunch of random players wages and use those as a barometer, these are all different clubs with different structures, contracts signed at different times with varying levels of experience and achievement at the time. It's like when people say 'well if Nunez is worth £70m then X has to be worth £100m+' as if one club's poor decision sets the market for everything else going forward.

One thing's for sure - in terms of talent he is absolutely not better than Cubarsi, and probably not Endrick although I haven't seen that much of him (and he hasn't really had much experience yet in European football). Very debatable on Yildiz but probably not as good.
 
Dans said:
An agenda! Right so if someone is not convinced a player is as good as others believe and discusses why in order to make his point, it's an "agenda" now is it?
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He's referring more to your dismissal of his answer to your question. You mock the quality of the team he last played well against which implies you don't think he plays well against big teams? @Remember the geese just pointed that out to you. Doesn't mean you aren't allowed to doubt the player, but your answer was disingenous.
 
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