If people genuinely think he's only worth 30-40k a week, then they should be advocating the club sells him asap. Because the fee we'd get for him is wildly at odds with what they perceive his value to the squad to be.
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It's funny, I had a lengthy argument in the Zirkzee thread trying to justify that 100k p/w is an appropriate salary for a rotation CF for United (maybe a touch overpaid but whatver) and the other poster's line we'd need to subsidize his wage by 50%+ to send him off on loan to PL clubs because they couldn't afford that wage.
Anyway, this was during the Zirkzee low point and he has since turned it around. I doubt people would still make that claim now. I agree that about 100k p/w is appropriate for Mainoo easily.
I don't think people realise how disgusting a level wages have reached.
Birmingham in league 1 have numerous players in and around 20k, so the days youngsters at United could be on that sort of level are years gone.
Shouldn't get more than Yoro/Amad, and even that is a stretch (for all three of them), but it's a sympthom of our wage-structure.
He should be between 100' and 150'
I doubt next season he's in our first 11.
I agree, but the problem for Mainoo is, his first season was only a half a season due to injury. Plus this season has been very underwhelming when he has been on the pitch, and again a large chunk of the season out due to injury.
So as a body of work for 2 seasons it isn't much to warrant a bumper pay rise, if his management overestimate their demands I can easily see Sir Jim showing him the exit door.
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That may be so, but neither will the likes of Eriksen and others. And many of them are on way over £100k. If he’s still here then I think he’ll feature a lot.
But those players were at least bought to be first 11.
70k a week basic plus bonuses is fine.
That’s the whole point. These guys are on 100k plus and contribute little. Mainoo’s current trajectory under Amorim he falls in that same boat. I’d sell him if we can’t negotiate a suitable wage around £80-100k.
Where is he?
I don’t where to startThe absolute naivety and ridiculousness of people genuinely suggesting wages around 40k are hilariously brilliant. Either from a much older generation, or incredibly young and unaware of reality.
Give him around 100k, then over next few years when/if he performs well get it up to 150k or more. I get that it doesn't work that way and players will often be looking at other clubs and better offers but he's not even 20. Our wage bill is bad enough with likes of Rashford, Mount and Casemiro on huge money.
If Mount's contribution is the reference point, Bruno should ask for 2M per week. Also United would have the highest total wages ever in history of football in present and future.
Some people still cant face reality. You have players on 180k+ a week who never play, or/and are shite, some on 250k+ who dont even play for the club with United subsiding more than 100k of their weekly wages. And at the same time you expect Mainoo and his entourage not asking for parity but agree to a measly 40k a week basic contract.
The process of getting the wage structure in order will take some time. You simply cant go "Oh, these clowns Woody, Arnold and co. were dishing out stupid contracts, we are new in town and need to reverse it. So, Mr. Mainoo, here is a 40k per week fix plus 10 million dollars if you win PL title and Balon Dor, take it or leave it."
The process of getting the wage structure in order will take some time. You simply cant go "Oh, these clowns Woody, Arnold and co. were dishing out stupid contracts, we are new in town and need to reverse it. So, Mr. Mainoo, here is a 40k per week fix plus 10 million dollars if you win PL title and Balon Dor, take it or leave it."
You simply can do that.
You obviously can do it. You can also offer him a weekly party hat instead of a salary but the chances of renewal will not be good either way.
How about he establishes himself as a starter first before getting anything close to 200k. We setting ourselves another trap by giving him a huge pay rise and if he goes down Shaw's path we are wondering in 2 years who gave him that package. 75k-100k with bonues is more in line with his achievement at the club.
I think the players and everyone knows the overpaid players are being pushed out, and wages will be lower.
Everyone gets their knickers in a twist over baseless twitter claims from journalists who are wrong far more often than they are right.
If we want to be successful, Mainoo stays, he's exactly the sort of player we need. It wasn't long ago people on here (but also many pundits) were claiming that he'd saved us £100m with his breakthrough. He's very young and raw, but has shown more in his breakout season than the vast majority of new signings/academy players in the last 15 years.
It's a shame he's injured, because it allows utter nonsense to breed in the vacuum that it leaves. E.g. "cash in on him I reckon".
He isn't going anywhere.
If we want to be successful, Mainoo stays, he's exactly the sort of player we need. It wasn't long ago people on here (but also many pundits) were claiming that he'd saved us £100m with his breakthrough. He's very young and raw, but has shown more in his breakout season than the vast majority of new signings/academy players in the last 15 years.
It's a shame he's injured, because it allows utter nonsense to breed in the vacuum that it leaves. E.g. "cash in on him I reckon".
He isn't going anywhere.
The bolded bit is nonsense. There is nothing to suggest that if he stays we will be successful or if he leaves we wont be.
In the current team, the current season, based on 2 managers, he has shown nothing to suggest that he is exactly the player we need.
1. He doesn't fit into the Amorim system at the moment, he cant play the CM role and hasn't done anything in the 10.
So, I dont know what you mean by exactly the sort of player we need.
I would refrain from saying he is x,y,z because he has had a good 6 months, where he has shown he lacks in alot of areas.
Of course you can. Just because someone else is on a ridiculous salary doesn't mean you will be. If you are thinking "why on earth is X on Y" then perhaps the club are thinking the same thing and trying to change that. If you can go elsewhere and get £200k/week off the back of half a good season then you should probably go. The reason United struggle to sell players for anything but peanuts is in large part due to the crazy wages average players are on. We will lose players due to not wanting to indulge their demands and so be it.
I'm not suggesting he should be on peanuts but nor should he be on a salary that suggests he is a vital, mature senior squad member who is helping us towards trophies...because he isn't.
You mean Amorim's system that currently no player fits into, hence it has a 33% win percentage?
Mainoo has played well under him, namely against Liverpool and Arsenal. The games he's been shit, the entire team has been shit. There hasn't been a single game where he's been a standout poor player (especially not due to the "system").
He's dropped off this season - relative to his previous - but then so has everyone, as hard as that is to imagine considering how poor we were last season too.
We want to win long term, we have a better chance with Mainoo developing and staying. Obviously there's no guarantee of success, but then there isn't any guarantee that we'll sign a better midfielder, or a different midfielder will break through that is better. He's shown enough skill and determination in his game that there is a potentially top quality player in him.
Or we could sell him, like West Ham sold Lampard and Rio. Which we won't, as it'd be unbelievably short-sighted.
based on the actual happenings on the pitch, we don't really lose much when he's not playing, and we don't get that much when he's on the pitch. the reality where he's fitter and more consistent Pogba playing 35+ league games per season and key member of the first 11 never happened. it's about as sure thing as Rash and Sancho were. so far he's all potential, very underwhelming this season and now injured, again.
we should wait for a single, good full season from him before we start talking it would be like prime Scholes leaving, if he was indeed to leave, because many of our fans certainly act that way.
we should wait for a single, good full season from him before we start talking it would be like prime Scholes leaving, if he was indeed to leave, because many of our fans certainly act that way.
Right, these are two different things. You not liking Amorim and his formation and Mainoo.
From your first line, I take it that you want Amorim gone, saying no player fits in the system, which is false.
So this season, under Ten Hag, did you think no player suited his system because our win rate was low or is this just for Amorim ?
Dorgu, Heaven, De Ligt, Yoro, Mazroui, Bruno, Ugarte, Diallo all fit his system.
£40k a week is ridiculous and very unrealistic. I'd say Collyer is due a bump to almost that much let alone Mainoo.
He's had a poor season but still featured a lot when he hasn't been injured and has some credit in the bank after last year. Being a regular for the last couple of seasons, then starting for England in the Euros - there's no chance it's anywhere close to that amount.
I'd say around £90k-£100k would be ideal, but looking at the rest of United's reported wages I think they'll have to stretch to probably £120k-£130k as they are overpaying a little for other players that'll likely be used for comparison.
He's had a poor season but still featured a lot when he hasn't been injured and has some credit in the bank after last year. Being a regular for the last couple of seasons, then starting for England in the Euros - there's no chance it's anywhere close to that amount.
I'd say around £90k-£100k would be ideal, but looking at the rest of United's reported wages I think they'll have to stretch to probably £120k-£130k as they are overpaying a little for other players that'll likely be used for comparison.
Not at all, I actually rate Amorim. I really hope he is backed and we hit next season running.
My point is that you can’t judge Mainoo on not fitting into a system that simply hasn’t been implemented in full. No one fits into it, hence we have conceded more shots and goals since Amorim came in and he’s sitting on a 33% win percentage.
Amorim’s own comments on Mainoo are fair, amounting to “he can be even better”. Which I agree with and which is why selling him would be madness.
I am not saying to sell him. I just dont think he is worth 200k a week, a max offer of 130k should be given to him.
Whilst he can grow in this team and improve, he has more weaknesses than strengths at the moment.
His athleticism, long passing, creativity has not been showcased at all, we don't even know if he has the tools to play in the 10.
So its how Amorim can fit him in a position.
There are mitigating circumstances why Amorim has been so bad, he has had no training time, no pre season to implement his ideas to say no player fits, when I have given a list of players that suit his style . system.
Well put, and funny on top.That last paragraph is something else. Who is "helping us towards trophies" deserving much bigger salary than Mainoo? Is it a vital, mature senior squad members like Shaw, Mount, Antony, Rashford or Sancho? I give you Bruno but thats about it. Even he has won almost feck all in more than half of a decade.
Imagine you are on 8 quid per hour while your collegue is on 20. He barely turns up for work, often calling in sick with some ear infection or other bollox. Even when he turns up for a couple week spell of work he does feck all. How long would your motivation last to work hardest for the company?
As for the ´United struggle to sell players for anything but peanuts is in large part due to the crazy wages average players are on´, United would not struggle to sell the likes of Mainoo, Amad, Garnacho and few others, even if they were on high salary. Its exactly these senior players on massive wages you cant move on.
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I can't shake the feeling that if we get a big offer for Mainoo this summer and turn it down, we're going to come to regret it in a few years.
He's a very talented young player but his lack of mobility is a pretty major limiting factor in any side playing a double pivot in midfield. Mainoo's at his best in the opposition half which leaves you wide open on the counter. We saw this time and time again under Ten Hag.
Further, he doesn't really work as one of the attacking midfielders in Amorim's 3-4-3 either because whilst he's exceptional at retaining possession in tight spaces, he's not got great acceleration and isn't a creative powerhouse either.
I think the issue with Mainoo is that whilst he's very talented, we'd essentially have to build the team around nullifying his physical limitations or else we're going to leave massive gaps in the centre of the pitch which will completely prevent us from winning games on a consistent basis. With that in mind, I'm not so sure it'd be sensible for us to be turning down a huge offer for him this summer that could give us the leeway to bring in two or three players.
He's a very talented young player but his lack of mobility is a pretty major limiting factor in any side playing a double pivot in midfield. Mainoo's at his best in the opposition half which leaves you wide open on the counter. We saw this time and time again under Ten Hag.
Further, he doesn't really work as one of the attacking midfielders in Amorim's 3-4-3 either because whilst he's exceptional at retaining possession in tight spaces, he's not got great acceleration and isn't a creative powerhouse either.
I think the issue with Mainoo is that whilst he's very talented, we'd essentially have to build the team around nullifying his physical limitations or else we're going to leave massive gaps in the centre of the pitch which will completely prevent us from winning games on a consistent basis. With that in mind, I'm not so sure it'd be sensible for us to be turning down a huge offer for him this summer that could give us the leeway to bring in two or three players.
If we receive a significant offer for him then I’d sell. I really like him as a player but if he played for any other team then I wouldn’t be calling to buy him for 50-60m, so if an offer comes in around that level then we should offload him and buy players more suited to Amorim’s system.
Can't complete 90 minutes, no passing range and question marks over his mobility.
He can develop these aspects but the contract should reflect that - a player in development. If he's demanding anything that mismatches where he's at in his career then he has to be moved on.
He can develop these aspects but the contract should reflect that - a player in development. If he's demanding anything that mismatches where he's at in his career then he has to be moved on.
I think this is a good way to frame it. I think, factoring in his age, his low current salary and the fact that he's not a player we're desperate to offload, we should be asking for more than 60 million. With that said, I agree that if he played for a different team people would probably be a bit nervy around signing him because despite his undeniable talent, it isn't particularly obvious where he fits in the current system.
But this is what I mean - people getting bent out of shape that he’s asking for £200k when he’s probably not as the only sources for that are random twitter journos.
I reckon he’d be lucky to get £130k, Amad has set the benchmark with his recent contract and Mainoo won’t get more than that. (Can’t remember what that is).
I also don’t think those players you’ve listed fit his system any more than Mainoo and that Mainoo has done anything to suggest he won’t easily adapt to it.
And yes, Amorim has been give a short straw hence it’s too early to judge one of our standout breakthroughs from the academy in over a decade not fitting into his system. With training, there’s nothing to suggest Mainoo won’t easily become a mainstay. Hopefully he can stay fit.
True. I'd be upset if we spent 50-60m, or giving him 100k/wk wage if he played for other team.
Lack of pace and stamina are huge question marks.
I said 30k a year!
He’s done loads more than Yoro, what are you talking about