Kobbie Mainoo (out)

UnitedSofa said:
But when there’s obviously quality there, you pay what is needed to keep them, otherwise we’ll be bitching and moaning at why we let them go and the club is inept
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You pay what their value is, that's the point, not whatever is needed to keep them, which could be far more than their actual value.
 
Cassidy said:
It would be around 100m for sure. Memories fade fast. This kid had an excellent Euros and break out season last year. If he was at a Brighton/West Ham the fees wanted would be crazy

Even with a drop off, see 50m+ asking for Ferguson this past summer

In any case he isn’t and should not be for sale
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Around yeah. No one is paying £160 million for him.
 
crossy1686 said:
Most of them are, heavily. Players rarely see the full amount unless their numbers are up there with the best in the league and we're playing CL football.
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Yeah that's true, the full amount if all the bonuses were applied is normally what the media reports though
 
Hoof the ball said:
He can walk for 200k.

I really like him, but he gets 200k when the lad adds forwatd passing, diagonal passes and through balls to his game.

Right now he's worth the present capabilities and not potential which we believe he's capable of.

150k is the absolute max right now
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150k is way too much in my opinion. I mean, the guy is 19. Where do you go from there when he gets into his prime? We've just seen what this level of wealth can do to characters, we have to move away from it, not acting as if mistakes stay in the past just because. If anything, add a few performance based add-ons. A few easy ones for appearances, a few more difficult ones like whatever. But don't spoil kids and don't let yourself get pressured.
Andycoleno9 said:
I am going off topic now; what happens with our academy players when they start playing regulary? Rashy, Garnacho, Lingard, Greenwood....they were all nice, modest and grounded lads when they started playing for first team. And then, after year or two they start behaving like spoiled divas.
McT is our only academy player in last 10 years who was modest and true pro from day one. He was same lad with 18 and 25.

To be clear; i am not counting Mainoo in that group. Yet.....
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They are getting hyped up (and start to believe in it), they receive crazy wealth, a life of fame, become surrounded with people mooching off them and they hear some shallow praise from fans and journalists. They think, they have made it because too many stakeholders act as if the last 10 years didn't happen and we'd still be a top club and you'd have to be special to play for the club.

We should also be honest with ourselves, I am sure more than half of redcafe would be compromised by that.
Big Ben Foster said:
Why? His agent is just looking out for his client.
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I agree. I certainly wouldn't be mad with the agent, he is just doing his job. And why wouldn't he, especially given our abysmal track record with wages in the last years. And lets not act as if we can be sure that stopped, given what we have seen with Bruno and Maguire. (And yes, I can see some of the rationale behind those decisions but it doesn't change the fact that agents should assume that there is something to get out of us.)

Important thing now is to handle the situation professionally. Don't get pressured, don't be numb. When he becomes a rotational player or even a starter and delivers in the eyes of the coach, he should get a raise but lets not get overboard as we did with the last golden boys. It didn't do them any good. And we need some headroom for the future.
 
harms said:
Yeah, I'd agree. £115-120k seems like the perfect balance between showing the appreciation for his talent and achievements and not overpaying him massively like we're used to. I think he'll probably leverage the club for a bit more but who knows.
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I apologize for being pedantic but I wouldn't give him 120k. It would put him at par with Ugarte, Lisandro and Onana. 105k-115k would hit the sweet spot. It puts him in the Yoro/zirkzee spot ie players who should be at the cisp of being a first team regular but aren't yet. I know that 5k a week is peanuts. However i believe we need to bring some logic in the madness of our wage structure. Players should know what they can get and what to expect if they kept improving
 
If someone is willing to pay 100m, depending on PSR restrictions, I would be tempted. He is talented but ultimately there are some flaws in his game that can be detrimental to having control in midfield. Midfield is a massive issue for us and we need the funds to try and plug that area. Mainoo's role is one of them, if we can afford an established player to come in and don't have to be dependent on Mainoo then great but there have been rumblings of PSR restrictions so it might be difficult to do without selling big.
 
CallyRed said:
Collyer--Ugarte midfield next season
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Just playing this out for fun but could fund something like Ederson and Gyrokes.
Maybe a bit of Douglas Luiz too since hes looking for a way out.

I'd still prefer to keep Mainoo though. Offloading Garnacho I'm more OK with - we can probably get 40ish mil for him and that can fund say, Ederson or similar.
 
Berbaclass said:
Around yeah. No one is paying £160 million for him.
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If he didn’t play for us, we definitely would pay 100m for him. And people would be all for it. Great highlight reel, and posts would talk about how we’d be set for at least 11 years, making it a great deal.

Real Madrid (Tchouameni), City (Grealish) have also paid similar fees for, IMO, players with question marks over them.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
If someone is willing to pay 100m, depending on PSR restrictions, I would be tempted. He is talented but ultimately there are some flaws in his game that can be detrimental to having control in midfield.
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Flaws to his game ? He's 19.

hasanejaz88 said:
Midfield is a massive issue for us and we need the funds to try and plug that area. Mainoo's role is one of them, if we can afford an established player to come in and don't have to be dependent on Mainoo then great but there have been rumblings of PSR restrictions so it might be difficult to do without selling big.
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Is midfield "a massive issue" ? We have Mainoo and Ugarte right now - both top players with the best days ahead.
 
-Supreme- said:
We shouldn’t use our existing squad salary as a benchmark to evaluate how much Manioo should earn, we all know they are all overpaid and we need to start trimming down the wage structure, it cannot happen when we are giving Manioo £150K a week when Ugarte is on around £120k I believe(?) who is twice the player based on their performances this season.
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I agree with the sentiment of the post but Ugarte isn’t twice the player Mainoo is. Their skillsets not even similar
 
Hasn't been great since the injury. Statistically he's above average defensively, great dribbler, and above average scoring.

What makes him really tonight to evaluate is his subpar passing. It's almost like a midfielder who developed inverse of what you'd expect. Either you play him in Ugarte role or you play him further up. The issue is we have great players for those roles already but not a perfect pair with Ugarte. So if someone offers you £100M + add-ons I think you take it and reinvest in 3 players who can add more to the team.
 
Footyislife said:
Hasn't been great since the injury. Statistically he's above average defensively, great dribbler, and above average scoring.

What makes him really tonight to evaluate is his subpar passing. It's almost like a midfielder who developed inverse of what you'd expect. Either you play him in Ugarte role or you play him further up. The issue is we have great players for those roles already but not a perfect pair with Ugarte. So if someone offers you £100M + add-ons I think you take it and reinvest in 3 players who can add more to the team.
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He's a 19 year old kid in a dysfunctional team ffs.

Can't believe posts like this. Unreal.
 
Squeaky_Bum_Time said:
If he didn’t play for us, we definitely would pay 100m for him. And people would be all for it. Great highlight reel, and posts would talk about how we’d be set for at least 11 years, making it a great deal.

Real Madrid (Tchouameni), City (Grealish) have also paid similar fees for, IMO, players with question marks over them.
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Absolute max yeah. Again, no one is paying £160 million for him. He's good but not that good...
 
TsuWave said:
I agree with the sentiment of the post but Ugarte isn’t twice the player Mainoo is. Their skillsets not even similar
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Ugarte has been performing one or two levels above Mainoo this season in terms of the overall impact to the team. To me if Ugarte’s on £120k, Mainoo should be offered at around £90k-£100k (similar level to Amad)
 
Footyislife said:
Hasn't been great since the injury. Statistically he's above average defensively, great dribbler, and above average scoring.

What makes him really tonight to evaluate is his subpar passing. It's almost like a midfielder who developed inverse of what you'd expect. Either you play him in Ugarte role or you play him further up. The issue is we have great players for those roles already but not a perfect pair with Ugarte. So if someone offers you £100M + add-ons I think you take it and reinvest in 3 players who can add more to the team.
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Mainoo is fine in possession. He doesn't have to be progressive with his passing, that isn't what Amorim requires of his centre mids. They just need to complete 90% of their passes. Or close enough to that figure. Amorim's system relies on other positions to be more progressive.
 
£100k with some easy performance related add ons, and a promise to review in 2 years time should do the job.

Looks like Amad is close to signing a new deal based on Amorims last presser, would be interesting to see what he’s on. Would have Mainoo on a similar deal, not much more
 
VP89 said:
And Ornstein?
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I think it is Ornstein saying that you cannot completely rule out Mainoo being sold but only in an extreme scenario such as no other sales to assist with PSR and a godly offer coming in. The click merchants have then turned that into a Man Utd closing down sale and are running with the notion that the entire squad is up for grabs for whoever wants them. The latest, stating that Yoro could be sold is just laughable.

If we can do anything in terms of outgoings this month, Casemiro being the ideal, then we will have the breathing room to shut down all of this nonsense. I do think Garnacho is a possibility but more likely in the summer, I am not convinced he is a great fit in the system nor do I think he is entirely happy here and of course his sale would do wonders for our finances.
 
Gandalf said:
I think it is Ornstein saying that you cannot completely rule out Mainoo being sold but only in an extreme scenario such as no other sales to assist with PSR and a godly offer coming in. The click merchants have then turned that into a Man Utd closing down sale and are running with the notion that the entire squad is up for grabs for whoever wants them. The latest, stating that Yoro could be sold is just laughable.

If we can do anything in terms of outgoings this month, Casemiro being the ideal, then we will have the breathing room to shut down all of this nonsense. I do think Garnacho is a possibility but more likely in the summer, I am not convinced he is a great fit in the system nor do I think he is entirely happy here and of course his sale would do wonders for our finances.
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Yeah Athletic too, just dropped an article to say that Mainoo is sellable along with Garnacho.

If we can sell Casemiro and Garnacho we can avoid losing Mainoo. Hopefully its just contract negotiations (like when Rashford renewed we had PSG links).
 
I don't really mind the briefs coming out about any player being for sale at the right price. It would take a frankly stupid offer for the sale of a player like Mainoo to actually come to fruition but it sends the right messages about no player being too big for the club which has at least partially contributed to our current struggles.

Amorim (and others) weren't particularly subtle in their interviews after the Liverpool game that complacency has become an issue for many in this squad. If you brief that certain players are 'untouchable', that's undermines the idea of everybody at the club having to fight for their place.

It also makes it a little less obvious which players we're desperate to sell when their names are scattered into these reports alongside some actual half decent players.
 
Why is there uncertainty over the future of Mainoo when his contract runs for another 3 and a half years? I don't get it.

I'd rather keep him and have a quieter transfer window than sell him and risk replacing him with another Mount.
 
Not actively selling them but nobody is unsellable is a good message for the whole team to hear.
 
So this is what he meant by putting the Manchester back into Manchester United??? Qatar is looking more appetising by the day
 
"We want to tell everyone that we don't want to sell these players but we would consider it"
 
Raoul said:
"The club are not actively looking to sanction the exit of either talent.."

should tell you all you need to know about the article.
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I think they want to sell Gernacho and didn't want to single him out. They are concurrently negotiating with Mainoo over new contract and probably thought 2 birds with 1 brief.

If they do get desperate, maybe consider Mainoo if over 100m with set buy-back clause.

How did we get saddled with Glazers and Jim MC Scrooge!
 
moses said:
There isn't.
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Why would The Athletic post this then?

"But there is uncertainty over Mainoo’s future, given his contract expires in the summer of 2027 — it includes an option to extend by 12 months — and there have so far been no developments over a new contract for the England international".
 
gulli_G said:
I think they want to sell Gernacho and didn't want to single him out. They are concurrently negotiating with Mainoo over new contract and probably thought 2 birds with 1 brief.

If they do get desperate, Mlmaybe consider Mainoo if over 100m with set buy-back clause.

How did we get saddled with Glazers and Jim MC Scrooge!
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Despite some of the well known journos running with it, I don't see this as a legit story. They (the journos) are simply locked in an arms race with one another to draw the most attention to themselves without being perceived as being late to the game. These guys know very well how United news draws more clicks than anything else.
 
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