Personally I am a little sentimental about Mainoo and a couple of other current players. He is a 19 year old academy product who has proven himself at Premier League and international level, forcing his way into the England 11 ahead of the Euros final. Also his winner in the FA Cup final was my favourite post-Fergie moment.
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That’s how I see it… apparently club agreed to let Amorim have some say in which players fit his plan/style and which don’t.
Garnacho is a winger not a 10 (Amorims type of 10) so can see why his sale makes sense. The rest is just a gentle warning (as other posters have said)…
Is there a more soul-destroying idea in football transfers than seeing homegrown talents as 'pure profit', I would lose a lot of interest in United if we started following the Chelsea model of selling homegrown players to buy mercenaries from abroad of equal ability.
Scoring the winner in the FA Cup final at 19 is not worth getting sentimental over now apparently.
Amorim's 10's do occupy the wings though
I disagree, I don't remember a single time where we sold any of our best youth players under them
In fact, if there's one consistent trait of the Glazers regime is that they held onto youth players for far far too long
need any help giving them the talk about the birds and the bees? or even just a demo partner?
it’s pure profit when you didn’t have to pay a surrogate or for ivf.
I’ve played “game of life” with the family a few times over Christmas.
Turns out when you retire you get £50k per kid. I don’t know that but
I’d still be behind…..
I dont know how much of this is true but if it is, we cant make the same mistakes we made with Martial, Rashford and Sancho. Young players cant demand mid to end-game level salaries, something that we want to move away from. We should sell and save the club from potential points deduction/PSR handicaps. Again, if there’s any truth to this.
Garnacho will attract more attention from clubs abroad so that will probably have a limiting factor. Much higher prices for anyone domestically, slightly less if they’re from another league. I could see us letting Garnacho go for the 50m~ mark to a club like Atletico or any other type of side interested in Europe.
As much as I like him, if this is the way he wants to play - sell him to the highest bidder.
Is it rubbish because you think a highly acclaimed journalist like Ornstein has suddenly sold out for a cheap clickbait?
Or is it rubbish because you're in denial?
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It’s quite funny how desperate for drama the papers are.
Madness. We've had a messy 18 months so let's bin off any player who gave us any hope and joy during that grim period.
True. The Glazers were indecisive. Ratcliffe is ruthless and trigger-happy. Any pretence that he is someone who wants to maintain the identity of the club vanished a few weeks ago. I've heard a few chants of "just like the Glazers, Jim Ratcliffe's a cnut" at OT recently. Those chants are only going to get increasingly louder if he continues down this route.
Honestly wouldn't say no to £85m, if its a rival then £100m.
And Ornstein hasn’t even said anything that dramatic — just, that for PSR reasons, the club will listen to offers for some of the talented youth players. That doesn’t mean there’s a fire sale for anything good at the club.
I suppose if his agent is saying he wants £200k a week, then maybe the club are biting back by saying he's not unsellable and in the end they'll come up with some sort of halfway house figure.
Most likely - but it's all too dramatic, now stating Ugarte, De Ligt, Yoro and Zirkzee are up for sale.
Aye. It might not be true at all, but if it was then that's too much for a player who (imo) shouldn't be a nailed on starter at this point in his development.
He's very talented but he also still has a lot of improving to do. Ideally we'd have another midfielder as a first choice partner to Ugarte and Mainoo would get space to develop without so much pressure/expectation. But at those sort of wages a player really needs to be starting every week.
Nah, they might be out wide when game suits but the WBs occupy the width, 10s inside more (*not for the entire 90 mins obviously , no player/position does)
The timing of this shite is grim after a good performance on Sunday.
Question here for the regular watchers of the various youth teams…did Mainoo stand out a lot at that level?
This is no time to be renegotiating Kobbie's wages. The time will come this summer, hopefully before everyone returns to training, during which time this can be worked out. It's not as though young Kobbie would benefit in any way by downing tools the way Rashford and Sancho have.
Yep, the kind of distraction we could really do without right now.
Looking at the ability of some of the players who have gone for 50-80m over the past couple of years, and factoring in Garnacho's age and contract length, I'd want no less than 80m more for him. For once, we're in a strong negotiation position here.
Where did you see this? I have not read anything about Ugarte, MdL and Yoro
In the summer I would have said pay him whatever he wants, he was so special last season.
This season has been poor obviously, but showing some better signs lately and I really hope we can do a deal.
This season has been poor obviously, but showing some better signs lately and I really hope we can do a deal.
Ornstein is never wrong and doesnt write things that are not likely to happen
Always liked TalkSport actually.
The WB's did not occupy the width by themselves at Sporting and not this weekend either when we seemed to have a better grasp on the system.
Yes, in his second season onwards at u18s level he was very impressive.
First season was bedding in and mostly playing on the wing.
The only one there I could see is Zirkzee because there seems to be some interest from Juventus there to take him on loan and there is a slight sense he's struggling to adapt to Manchester, but it would only make any sense if United spent decent money on a striker in January. The rest of them, no chance. Yoro especially, the idea that you beat Real Madrid to one of the best young centre-backs in the world and then you sell him after he plays a few games after injury is laughable.
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We can only trust Ineos on this. 100k pw is still too much for a 19 year old. Palmer for comparison is at 130k pw and he is genuinely in that world class bracket. Diaz at Liverpool earns like 55k pw!
But maybe years of mismanagement and we still end up paying him more than what it should be. It will take time to cut down on these huge salaries.
So what has he said then that's so definitive? Are we selling Mainoo? Or Garnacho? Or both? Or are you jumping the gun? No definitely not that.
This is why I think Wheeler's part in this is nonsense. Adding those players - Zirkzee aside like you say - makes the whole piece a farce.
I would ask for 200k too knowing what Rashford, Casemiro and Antony are on.
me too in that id be very sorry to see him go. if he's just after what a first teamer should be getting, he's right. If its a case of looking for huge money despite not having earned it yet, then bye bye.
Like a game of cat & mouse
Players agent wants a new contract for player, puts a figure out to journalists. Club comes back and saying he can go if an acceptable offer comes in as hes not untouchable. Players camp says hes no intention of leaving. Story closed.
All this in a space of about 3 hours.
Players agent wants a new contract for player, puts a figure out to journalists. Club comes back and saying he can go if an acceptable offer comes in as hes not untouchable. Players camp says hes no intention of leaving. Story closed.
All this in a space of about 3 hours.