Kobbie Mainoo (out)

We shouldn’t use our existing squad salary as a benchmark to evaluate how much Manioo should earn, we all know they are all overpaid and we need to start trimming down the wage structure, it cannot happen when we are giving Manioo £150K a week when Ugarte is on around £120k I believe(?) who is twice the player based on their performances this season.
 
JB7 said:
Even now their wages are 25% less than the reported numbers due to not being in the Champions League. It baffles me when people report Casemiro as £350k, Rashford as £300k etc when that just isn't the case right now and is highly unlikely to be the case next season either.
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Yep, the reality is, these players are on less than £200k - £250k a week, which is currently manageable, but even CL money won't help us break even if we qualify and these lads all get their pay bump at the same time. It's no wonder we're trying to shift them before things turn around.
 
Lu Tze said:
The fact that we've made myriad terrible mistakes doesn't mean we need to keep making them
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And that's why we shouldn't give him £200k — not that we're going to. £80k is a laughable suggestion not only by United's standards though. Kamara, Tielemans are on £150k, Merino is on £130k, McGuin is on £120k, Chukwuemeka is on £100k... none of them are real stars, some of them aren't even guaranteed starters at their club. Mainoo hasn't been brilliant this season, he's been fairly underwhelming but he's still one of the brightest midfield talents in the world with enormous potential, who is signing a long-term contract (I'd imagine that we'd ask for something like 5+1).

It's not 2010 anymore. £100k is probably the low end for any notable Premier League player nowadays. He's also a homegrown player and that's suddenly a huge issue for United, especially if we'll manage to offload all of our deadwood (a lot of whom help to fill our homegrown quota — Rashford, Shaw, Mount).
 
harms said:
With 80k he’d be 20th on the list of our top earners, 5k ahead of Malacia with only him, Evans, Garnacho, Amad (who’ll likely sign a new deal by then), back up keepers, Gore & Collyer behind him. Do you think it’s a fair representation of his value for the club?
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Yes it’s a fair valuation right now.
Plenty of things can go wrong from here and there aren’t many players under 20 years old earning that kind of wedge.
He’s got a long time left on current contract and it’s fair to re-evaluate now but anything over 80-100 would be silly and it would mean we’ve learned nothing of the mistakes we’ve very recently made.
If he tears it up over the next couple of years then give him another bump. Immediately putting him on a huge contract now would be a mistake.
 
Can’t believe this thread has made it to 6 pages … absolute rubbish journalism because the window is quiet.

Nothing to see here!
 
He can walk for 200k.

I really like him, but he gets 200k when the lad adds forwatd passing, diagonal passes and through balls to his game.

Right now he's worth the present capabilities and not potential which we believe he's capable of.

150k is the absolute max right now
 
Raoul said:
It’s obviously the latest culdesac of BS, but given that there are multiple sources (probably by way of a agent leaking to journos), it’s fine.
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Can we not just delete it because we don't like it?
 
harms said:
And that's why we shouldn't give him £200k — not that we're going to. £80k is a laughable suggestion not only by United's standards though. Kamara, Tielemans are on £150k, Merino is on £130k, McGuin is on £120k, Chukwuemeka is on £100k... none of them are real stars, some of them aren't even guaranteed starters at their club. Mainoo hasn't been brilliant this season, he's been fairly underwhelming but he's still one of the brightest midfield talents in the world with enormous potential, who is signing a long-term contract (I'd imagine that we'd ask for something like 5+1).

It's not 2010 anymore. £100k is probably the low end for any notable Premier League player nowadays. He's also a homegrown player and that's suddenly a huge issue for United, especially if we'll manage to offload all of our deadwood (a lot of whom help to fill our homegrown quota — Rashford, Shaw, Mount).
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I think 115k would be fair. It puts him at par with Yoro and less then ugarte
 
This is the scale of the challenge at United.

What probably was a harmless remark to Ornstein about no one being unsellable to try and establish that we are done being dictated to by players it has brought all sorts of uncorroborated shite about.
 
Can't believe how many people have taken the bait on this one

Already slagging him off for 'wanting 200k a week' because Chris Wheeler said it.
 
If Mainoo was playing for West Ham, he'd have 160 million price tag.
 
devilish said:
I think 115k would be fair. It puts him at par with Yoro and less then ugarte
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Yeah, I'd agree. £115-120k seems like the perfect balance between showing the appreciation for his talent and achievements and not overpaying him massively like we're used to. I think he'll probably leverage the club for a bit more but who knows.
 
I am going off topic now; what happens with our academy players when they start playing regulary? Rashy, Garnacho, Lingard, Greenwood....they were all nice, modest and grounded lads when they started playing for first team. And then, after year or two they start behaving like spoiled divas.
McT is our only academy player in last 10 years who was modest and true pro from day one. He was same lad with 18 and 25.

To be clear; i am not counting Mainoo in that group. Yet.....
 
We are in no rush to do this with 3 years left to run. Kobe is a great young player with lots of potential. Playing for Man Utd is an awesome honour and achievement especially at his age. We should watch him grow and then pay him what he’s worth in a years time. No rush he needs to show he wants this. If he doesn’t who’s advising him.
 
Berbaclass said:
No chance
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It would be around 100m for sure. Memories fade fast. This kid had an excellent Euros and break out season last year. If he was at a Brighton/West Ham the fees wanted would be crazy

Even with a drop off, see 50m+ asking for Ferguson this past summer

In any case he isn’t and should not be for sale
 
harms said:
And that's why we shouldn't give him £200k — not that we're going to. £80k is a laughable suggestion not only by United's standards though. Kamara, Tielemans are on £150k, Merino is on £130k, McGuin is on £120k, Chukwuemeka is on £100k... none of them are real stars, some of them aren't even guaranteed starters at their club. Mainoo hasn't been brilliant this season, he's been fairly underwhelming but he's still one of the brightest midfield talents in the world with enormous potential, who is signing a long-term contract (I'd imagine that we'd ask for something like 5+1).

It's not 2010 anymore. £100k is probably the low end for any notable Premier League player nowadays. He's also a homegrown player and that's suddenly a huge issue for United, especially if we'll manage to offload all of our deadwood (a lot of whom help to fill our homegrown quota — Rashford, Shaw, Mount).
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Tielemans and Mcginn are both far more proven players than Mainoo. We should be paying wages for current production, not some hypothetical future potential. That's part of why we're in such a mess.
 
Lu Tze said:
Tielemans and Mcginn are both far more proven players than Mainoo. We should be paying wages for current production, not some hypothetical future potential. That's part of why we're in such a mess.
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But when there’s obviously quality there, you pay what is needed to keep them, otherwise we’ll be bitching and moaning at why we let them go and the club is inept
 
UnitedSofa said:
But when there’s obviously quality there, you pay what is needed to keep them, otherwise we’ll be bitching and moaning at why we let them go and the club is inept
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Thats what we did with Rashford and it didnt work. Pay according to their performance, else they can find some other club
 
harms said:
And that's why we shouldn't give him £200k — not that we're going to. £80k is a laughable suggestion not only by United's standards though. Kamara, Tielemans are on £150k, Merino is on £130k, McGuin is on £120k, Chukwuemeka is on £100k... none of them are real stars, some of them aren't even guaranteed starters at their club. Mainoo hasn't been brilliant this season, he's been fairly underwhelming but he's still one of the brightest midfield talents in the world with enormous potential, who is signing a long-term contract (I'd imagine that we'd ask for something like 5+1).

It's not 2010 anymore. £100k is probably the low end for any notable Premier League player nowadays. He's also a homegrown player and that's suddenly a huge issue for United, especially if we'll manage to offload all of our deadwood (a lot of whom help to fill our homegrown quota — Rashford, Shaw, Mount).
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I think 200 is a fair rate to lock in a kid for 5 years. 20k/wk is obviously a farce and giving him some random number in the middle like 100k wouldn't work for him when he's seeing the likes of an unproductive Sancho locked in at 250k/wk. If anything, a lower number would only destablize matters more. If we think he's our long term CM then we need to pay him now and get it sorted for the better part of the next decade.
 
JPRouve said:
And at that point even less players should be seen as unsellable.

Now on topic, I used to have a weak spot for academy players but now I don't care as much, most of them aren't committed enough to improve as Footballers or become leaders that give the club stability. It's counterproductive to give them a special status when they have deserved it by their actions or performances. So even for them the question should always be whether we can improve from their sale.
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This is where my head is at too, especially when we're at the stage to give them a huge boost in pay early which has been a big issue.

I can't stop thinking that we would've looked like geniouses had we let go of Januzaj when money was on offer but internally had seen warning signs that weren't known by outside clubs.

If you have concerns he's on track to be a poor man's Pogba with many of the same concerns on how he fits long term as a CM it could be a very shrewd move to let him walk for a big fee before others cone to a similar conclusion.
 
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