It wouldn't be a low wage by United and general football standards.Its all subjective. The first question to ask is "Why would Mainoo, already a first teamer and full England international at 19, commit to a long term contract for a low wage (by United and general football standards) that he would be locked into for 5-6 years? The correct answer is, he wouldn't be incentivized to, especially with almost certain interest abroad. The likes of Bayern, PSG, Barca, or Madrid would have no issues paying him something comparable to that. United are simply in an unfortunate moment of downsizing their wages, which is the only rational explanation why they may be hesitant to pay him that much - not because he's not worth it. He's worth what the market is willing to pay him.
Was £60m + £350k per week for Casemiro worth it?The market is other big clubs. That's not an astronomical wage to pay for a top player who could remain at that club for upwards of a decade.
It wouldn't be a low wage by United and general football standards.
If he was on £120k a week for example, that's a very high wage for any standard.
Well no, it'll be lead by him. He'll be going to the club demanding a higher wage, not us wanting to tie him down longer (although we'll be in a position to react to ensure that, if we do want to keep him)Think the most interesting thing is that there are contract discussions in spite of Mainoo having 3 years left on his contract, suggests we want to keep him long term
Was £60m + £350k per week for Casemiro worth it?
Man its just football. Lot worse things in the world than mainoo not signing a contract.
If Mainoo is asking for 200k then if he goes to Real than that would put him at par to the likes of Camavinga, Rodrygo and Tchouaméni. At Barca he'll be at par to Pedri and ahead of Gavi and Aroujo. At PSG he'll be ahead of Joao Neves and Fabian Ruiz. Do you think he's anywhere near that sort of player yet?Its all subjective. The first question to ask is "Why would Mainoo, already a first teamer and full England international at 19, commit to a long term contract for a low wage (by United and general football standards) that he would be locked into for 5-6 years? The correct answer is, he wouldn't be incentivized to, especially with almost certain interest abroad. The likes of Bayern, PSG, Barca, or Madrid would have no issues paying him something comparable to that. United are simply in an unfortunate moment of downsizing their wages, which is the only rational explanation why they may be hesitant to pay him that much - not because he's not worth it. He's worth what the market is willing to pay him.
Agree to disagree. I stand by what I said. I will join Al Qaeda if he leaves.Thank you for the perspective mate, it was legit and not exaggeration for effect at all.
Anyone knocking the door with ridiculous demands should be soldAll part of the modern football dance.
His agent is leading negotiations- its what they get paid for.
If they hold the club to ransom then i hope the club act accordingly and try move him on for maximum fee. Would be a pity but if thats what needs to happen for the resetting of expectations. Will be better in the long run.
Gone are the days when you get lads like GNev representing themselves and signing a contract without even looking at the salary just because its Utd.
At Real Madrid Mainoo's 200k demands would put him at par to the likes of Camavinga, Rodrygo and Tchouaméni. At Barca he'll be at par to Pedri and ahead of Gavi and Aroujo. At PSG he'll be ahead of Joao Neves and Fabian Ruiz. Do you think he's anywhere near that sort of player yet?
He's not far from most of them. Consider that Musiala is on 300k/week already.
If Mainoo is asking for 200k then if he goes to Real than that would put him at par to the likes of Camavinga, Rodrygo and Tchouaméni. At Barca he'll be at par to Pedri and ahead of Gavi and Aroujo. At PSG he'll be ahead of Joao Neves and Fabian Ruiz. Do you think he's anywhere near that sort of player yet?
He's not far from most of them. Consider that Musiala is on 300k/week already.
Current contract ends summer 2027, but we can extend for a year. It's meant to gradually increase his wage anyway.
He does deserve more than he's on, but the problem is that he's supposedly asking for more then his performances this season have warranted. If he comes back from this injury and has a good 6 months of football then maybe he has a stronger hand, but right now he doesn't
So when people overpay (in hindsight) it's not part of "the market"?It wasn't worth it. That wasn't the market though. It was one desperate club massively overpaying to placate the fans following a decade of underachievement. No other big club would've paid those number for him at 30.
He is not worth 180k, not even 100k
He is at most 80k player at the moment.
People jumping all over the slightest bit of click bait agent generated gossip so that we can bin our academy players at the earliest opportunity.Because people care about the wellbeing of the club, and don't want to see us repeat past mistakes by handing out huge contracts without any regard for the consequences?
The other side of the coin is that if Amorim’s 2nd season is as bad as this one he’ll almost certainly face the sack and we’ll have sold players for a system that a new manager won’t useThe question is whether any of these players fit Amorim's profile. The answer with Rashford and Mainoo is almost certainly no. Garnacho is on the bubble, so if we managed to sell the former two, it would be very good business to bring in quality, more expensive players.
In the real world, all our incoming players will be young and inexperienced because those are the only ones that would agree to these kind of contracts, as for academy players, they'll not sign a contract longer than a year or two at a timeAll our contracts from here on in should be heavily incentivised. I have zero issue with Mainoo earning £180k a week. so long as it is achieved by matching key performance indicators. He should be offered a reasonable base of say £80k and then all the incentives in the world - if he wins the Balon D'Or next year, his bonus on top of that basic should be worth an extra £200k a week to the lad. Obviously that's a ridiculous outlier, but there is no reason contracts can't be structured to add cash values to clearly identified stats and achievements. If players don't fancy earning what they're paid then they're not the players we want here anyway.
Or more likely his agent has leaked itI agree. Our history is built on top talents from the academy. Seems strange that this ‘leak’ has come out. Wouldn’t surprise me if if the Glazers and Ratcliffe are engineering this to bring in some pure profit in the summer.
He might be worth that to some other club like Bayern or Real that doesn't have our kind of worries as just another classy option, they can sell him back to England for half the fee in a few years if it doesn't work out. We've paid players far more to literally do nothing or sulk or be injured for years, that's on us. I don't think we should be paying 200k a week for potential but some much better run clubs are currently in a position to be able to. We also won't want to hang onto a player who's had his head turned if it's a good deal for all.
Probably the smart move for himself career wise to leave and develop properly elsewhere.
Gavi is on 149k a week and Joao Neves is on 145k a week. At the 180k-200k bracket you'll find the likes of Camavinga and Pedri. I very much doubt that these sort of clubs would give that salary to a kid who had few months of good football in himHe might be worth that to some other club like Bayern or Real that doesn't have our kind of worries as just another classy option, they can sell him back to England for half the fee in a few years if it doesn't work out. The fact that we've paid players far more to literally do nothing or sulk or be injured for years, that's on us. Also the fact this is currently a crap place to work/develop won't be lost on him. I don't think we should be paying 200k a week for potential but some much better run clubs are currently in a position to be able to do so. Maybe they won't make the same mistakes we have if they go down this route. We won't want to hang onto a player who's had his head turned if it's a good deal for all.
If he does start to actually show that, then sure. The Guardian headline seems to suggest otherwise, but others reporting this story seem to suggest he actually wants to stay, it's just getting that wage he desires.I'd still sell him now. We don't want to keep an unhappy player.
