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Mainz were only in one real relegation battle in the few seasons preceding his appointment there, even having a decent go at promotion in one of them, which is at odds with claims on here that they were battling relegation every season before he got the job.
Mainz were also only in the top flight for two seasons before succumbing to relegation in the third, which again, is at odds with claims that he kept them there for years and years.
People like to harp on about him doing well to get them there for the first time ever, but it has repeatedly been ignored that Augsburg climbed from the 4th tier to establish themselves in the top flight (for the first time ever) without suffering any relegation set-backs at all.
Then we're on to Dortmund. Reaching a single final does not constitute becoming a European force, which is another claim made on here.
There are obvious fundamental disagreements in what constitutes successful seasons here. I don't believe you can call his 5th and 6th placed seasons with Dortmund, or his 4th placed seasons in the second tier with Mainz successful. The bar for Mainz, in my opinion, is set by their promotion and 11th placed finish in their first season in the top flight. The bar for Dortmund set by their success domestically and reaching a CL final.
I'll repeat myself again because this seems to be getting ignored every time I get a response. Klopp is a good manager. He did very well to do what he did with Dortmund, and you can't scoff at winning two league titles, a cup and reaching a CL final. However, this all happened in the space of two seasons, hence my claim that he's enjoyed a very brief period of success.
My point was, and remains, that the success he enjoyed in Germany was easier to obtain than the equivalent in England, and his appointment does represent something of a risk. To get Liverpool from where they are to being title contenders will take some absolutely outstanding management or a tremendous stroke of luck. Expectations are already very high for Klopp. The bar for many is still set very much at Rodgers' 2013/14 title charge and subsequent qualification for the CL. Many will be happy with a top 4 finish, which I think is something that they can realistically aspire to over the next 2 or 3 seasons (including this one) with the right management and the right signings. As soon as that's obtained though, they'll be looking at challenging for the title, which is another step entirely. I will be absolutely amazed if Liverpool find themselves going for a league title any time in the next 3 seasons, never mind finding themselves as double winners and in a CL final. The very minimum expectation for Klopp will be putting up a decent challenge for a CL spot, eventually establishing Liverpool as a CL team. I'm not sure he's capable of doing that.
