Panic much?Unfortunately they're also touting he may be forced to keep Driscoll and GMac. Hope FSG aren't looking to scupper this.
FSG are the ones making it happen.
Klopp Confirmed Liverpool Manager
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FSG are the ones making it happen.
yeah because managing Bayern or Barca is a proper challenge isn't it.
btw, he won stuff at Dortmund. and almost won the bloody CL.
have to say this is a hell of a signing for Liverpool. I'm distressed. I kinda love Klopp and now he's going to be managing fecking Liverpool.
I guess the 'so?' will be answered within the next 12-18 months.
Ah, yes. Liverpool, the club who have chewed up managers for not achieving very difficult KPIs. The club with a fanbase starved of a title in decades. The club of supreme expectations with a huge domestic and global following. No challenge there. He should go to Bayern, dominate his league, get to the semis or beyond in the CL...that'll show him.
I think Klopp and Liverpool would be a great fit.
But I can't see him working with anyone else on his side than Zeljko and I don't know whether he'll be happy enough with the transfer committee. Liverpool will have to give him some reassurances that he'll be influential with dealings on and off the pitch.
But I can't see him working with anyone else on his side than Zeljko and I don't know whether he'll be happy enough with the transfer committee. Liverpool will have to give him some reassurances that he'll be influential with dealings on and off the pitch.
Unfortunately they're also touting he may be forced to keep Driscoll and GMac. Hope FSG aren't looking to scupper this.
I am fine with that - They are new guys, not necessarily Rodgers men or really tainted by his failure yet. I think it's reasonable to give them a chance to show Jurgen that they should stay on. If not, they can go in the summer.
It will indeed. You will still be outside the top 4.
Why do you understand one but not the other?
He's an excellent coach and it's an aggravatingly good appointment. Liverpool have generally bought pretty badly in recent years, but if the transfer committee (or whoever's running things) can get out the way of themselves and allow Klopp to build a side, I've no doubt they'll be much improved in the long term. Short term it's a little more difficult to predict; obviously these aren't his players and you'd expect a period of adjustment (hopefully a lengthy one) to his methods.
yes, that's exactly it. You nailed it without even having to dig deep for this logic.
Seems I've rattled a few cages.
There's definitely some rewriting of history going on here regarding Klopp's achievements. Mainz were only in a real relegation battle in the season that Klopp took over. Prior to that, they finished 9th, 7th, 10th, and 4th. Aside from the fact that they nearly got promoted a few seasons before Klopp became manager, the other seasons can only be considered relegation battles as much as Klopp's final season with Dortmund can be considered a relegation battle.
When I mention talking about his success retrospectively, I mean making out a season was very successful because of what happened a season or two afterwards. Mainz finishing 4th doesn't constitute a very successful season in my opinion, and making out that it does because they won promotion a couple of seasons afterwards is disingenuous. Had they not won promotion, missing out on it a couple of times wouldn't be considered very successful seasons. Whilst it's potentially harsh to say keeping them up for a couple of seasons didn't warrant the label of successful, I've been using Augsburg's rise as the benchmark for that. They were promoted to the Bundesliga for the first time in their history, but managed to consolidate their position in the top flight and work their way up the table.
Then we move onto his time at Dortmund. Finishing 6th and 5th, in my opinion, can't be considered very successful seasons just because they won the league the year after. Winning the league, winning the cup, and reaching a CL final are obviously marks of very successful seasons, but again, had he not managed to do that, you wouldn't call finishing 5th or 6th being very successful. Being blown away by Bayern the two seasons after that but finishing second constitutes reasonable success, but something that many Klopp fans are quick to disregard is their performance in his final season.
I think Klopp is overhyped because of the attractive, attacking football he had Dortmund playing. Which funnily enough, is precisely the reason that Brendan Rodgers was overhyped following 2013/14. Once he was found out and needed a plan B, they struggled. I firmly believe that a top manager wouldn't find his previously title contending team at the foot of the table at the season's mid-point. Klopp may become a top manager, but I think he's got a bit to do yet before he can be considered one.
Someone even claimed that he turned them into a European force. Really? One appearance in the final constitutes being a European force now? They had 4 seasons in the CL under Klopp. In one they finished bottom of their group behind Olympiacos, in another they were knocked out in the quarter finals after scraping past Zenit in the last 16, and in another they were knocked out in the last 16.
There's definitely some rewriting of history going on here regarding Klopp's achievements. Mainz were only in a real relegation battle in the season that Klopp took over. Prior to that, they finished 9th, 7th, 10th, and 4th. Aside from the fact that they nearly got promoted a few seasons before Klopp became manager, the other seasons can only be considered relegation battles as much as Klopp's final season with Dortmund can be considered a relegation battle.
When I mention talking about his success retrospectively, I mean making out a season was very successful because of what happened a season or two afterwards. Mainz finishing 4th doesn't constitute a very successful season in my opinion, and making out that it does because they won promotion a couple of seasons afterwards is disingenuous. Had they not won promotion, missing out on it a couple of times wouldn't be considered very successful seasons. Whilst it's potentially harsh to say keeping them up for a couple of seasons didn't warrant the label of successful, I've been using Augsburg's rise as the benchmark for that. They were promoted to the Bundesliga for the first time in their history, but managed to consolidate their position in the top flight and work their way up the table.
Then we move onto his time at Dortmund. Finishing 6th and 5th, in my opinion, can't be considered very successful seasons just because they won the league the year after. Winning the league, winning the cup, and reaching a CL final are obviously marks of very successful seasons, but again, had he not managed to do that, you wouldn't call finishing 5th or 6th being very successful. Being blown away by Bayern the two seasons after that but finishing second constitutes reasonable success, but something that many Klopp fans are quick to disregard is their performance in his final season.
I think Klopp is overhyped because of the attractive, attacking football he had Dortmund playing. Which funnily enough, is precisely the reason that Brendan Rodgers was overhyped following 2013/14. Once he was found out and needed a plan B, they struggled. I firmly believe that a top manager wouldn't find his previously title contending team at the foot of the table at the season's mid-point. Klopp may become a top manager, but I think he's got a bit to do yet before he can be considered one.
Someone even claimed that he turned them into a European force. Really? One appearance in the final constitutes being a European force now? They had 4 seasons in the CL under Klopp. In one they finished bottom of their group behind Olympiacos, in another they were knocked out in the quarter finals after scraping past Zenit in the last 16, and in another they were knocked out in the last 16.
I expect him to be a great appointment for Liverpool. Honestly, I thought he could have waited just another six months or so and he would have multiple attractive and more appealing jobs, but credit to Liverpool for landing him.
He's the perfect manager for them really. He has a similar style of play to the Liverpool side that came so close to wining the title a few years ago, with high-pressing and plenty of energy. Liverpool lacked an identity under Rodgers towards the end of his tenure, but the likes of Milner, Can, Clyne, Henderson and Moreno make a high-energy style very suitable IMO.
Then there's his ability to work and get results on a shoe-string budget. Rodgers had many flaws, but he wasn't a terrible 'coach' even though he made some absolutely bizarre decisions. The worst facet of his management was his ability in the market. He's wasted so much money on so much dross. Liverpool simply can't compete with United, Arsenal, City and Chelsea when it comes to the high-calibre players and nothing will change irrespective of their manager. What he can do is sign from the tier below, making very shrewd acquisitions as well as promoting from within just as well as Rodgers has, if not better.
His personality is well-documented. It'll be tough to see such a likeable manager at our rivals, but Liverpool need that and not someone who's completely delusional and lives in fairy-tale land. Klopp has every right to feel confident as he's actually achieved something in the game.
He's the perfect manager for them really. He has a similar style of play to the Liverpool side that came so close to wining the title a few years ago, with high-pressing and plenty of energy. Liverpool lacked an identity under Rodgers towards the end of his tenure, but the likes of Milner, Can, Clyne, Henderson and Moreno make a high-energy style very suitable IMO.
Then there's his ability to work and get results on a shoe-string budget. Rodgers had many flaws, but he wasn't a terrible 'coach' even though he made some absolutely bizarre decisions. The worst facet of his management was his ability in the market. He's wasted so much money on so much dross. Liverpool simply can't compete with United, Arsenal, City and Chelsea when it comes to the high-calibre players and nothing will change irrespective of their manager. What he can do is sign from the tier below, making very shrewd acquisitions as well as promoting from within just as well as Rodgers has, if not better.
His personality is well-documented. It'll be tough to see such a likeable manager at our rivals, but Liverpool need that and not someone who's completely delusional and lives in fairy-tale land. Klopp has every right to feel confident as he's actually achieved something in the game.
I guess Gary MaCallister can help Klopp adapt to life at Liverpool FC and the Premier League
We are bloody obsessed with Liverpool.
You don't need to hire a coach for that.
Guys... just look at the biggest positive. This will get the boom bust cycle up and running in no time at rawk
If FSG insists on those two guys as assistants instead of Buvac and Krawietz, Klopp would rather cancel the deal. He could accept them on top of Chucky and Pete, and give McAllister and Sean O'Driscoll unimportant tasks.
I admit that this might be true. There have been other teams playing a similar style but his Dortmund side at their peak have been the role model for attractive modern football.
I strongly feel that this would be the right moment for English media to show the courtesy of understanding that when you can't type an "ü", at least use "ue" instead. 'Jurgen'
@Alex99
Not really. It's just a bit surprising how vigorously you continue insisting on tweaking history to your liking by cherry-picking facts and ignoring everything that shows that your jig-saw puzzle pieces don't fit.
Not really. It's just a bit surprising how vigorously you continue insisting on tweaking history to your liking by cherry-picking facts and ignoring everything that shows that your jig-saw puzzle pieces don't fit.
I strongly feel that this would the right moment for English media to show the courtesy of understanding that when you can't type an "ü", at least use "ue" instead. 'Jurgen'
Never!
On a more serious note: I always wondered if it is really that difficult to type ä, ü and ö on an english keyboard? Isn't there some kind of shortcut?
I can't tell you why Neven has fallen from Tuchel's grace. I personally find him less strong than Sokratis but certainly not weaker than Sven 'Manni' Bender as CB. The latter played as CB a couple of times and put in mixed performances. I haven't mentioned Manni because while being perfect in many ways for the EPL, I think that he would be even more often injured (i.e. fractures) and he doesn't want to compromise on his style; Klopp knows that. But I may be wrong and Klopp and Manni wouldn't care but enjoy some good tackles between healing bones.
Never!
On a more serious note: I always wondered if it is really that difficult to type ä, ü and ö on an english keyboard? Isn't there some kind of shortcut?
Alt-0252 gives ü
He's jazzed about it now. How much more can he grind out of wikipedia to support his argument? It probably started out as an intellectual challenge, thinking the internet can help him find whatever supports his preconceived view - now he means to see it through by argumentum ad nauseam. Prove to himself he can hold his own on the caf.
My first thought was that Liverpool have too many average players in their squad to pose a threat for top 4 but...My second thought is that the top 4 are a bit shit right now. Even City struggle in some games and their attack is formidable. Chelsea are going through a crisis. Rodgers' Liverpool outplayed Arsenal in London only several weeks ago. United aren't that special at the moment, I don't see much progress from the second half of last season, if any at all. Actually, Liverpool have good chances to make top 4 already this season, if an outstanding manager takes over.
I'm not asking them to type that, I can fully understand they can't be bothered. I wouldn't be either.
But 'ue' is the alternate spelling exactly for that instance. Is that one tiny extra letter really too much to ask?
Never!
On a more serious note: I always wondered if it is really that difficult to type ä, ü and ö on an english keyboard? Isn't there some kind of shortcut?
If you're on a Mac then you can just hold down the u and you'll get all the different options
Well, nausea point has been reached and I will now leave this to younger people than me. I'm too old for this shite.
I strongly feel that this would be the right moment for English media to show the courtesy of understanding that when you can't type an "ü", at least use "ue" instead. 'Jurgen'
They've got better with stuff like this.
The BBC used to, no joke, write 'Wesley Schneider'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8697017.stm
I don't know if this guy is a trustworthy source but if he's correct, Klopp would have made his first mark.
Mueller annoys me even more than Muller, but I guess that's because I'm not a native German speaker. We always pronounce our u's like you guys do with a ü. I'm happy it's easy to type on our keyboards though!I'm not asking them to type that, I can fully understand they can't be bothered. I wouldn't be either.
But 'ue' is the alternate spelling exactly for that instance. Is that one tiny extra letter really too much to ask?
It's like when people write 'Bayern Munchen' I always kind of feel like I'm fan of FC Bayern Cunnilingus
it's not in the bible
I will give in about 30 days before the Kop Flopp puns are all over the Tabloids.
He´s busy deleting Ed´s e-mails:
Please don´t sign with Liverpool. Please.
Okay I give you 20 Euros.
Okay I give you 20 Pounds.
How about you sign with Liverppol and make them shite and 30 pounds.
That last one was I mean shittier. Sorry for my bad english.
Okay last offer. You can become LVG´s assistant and 40 pounds.
Obviously not last offer, just kidding, Jurgen.
Please give me Thomas Muller, one billion dollars.
Sorry Jurgen last one was not for you.
Knocked out by Real Madrid, Juventus Turin and Bayern Munich. 2 CL Winners in those seasons (Bayern & Real) and 1 CL finalist (Juve). Real and Bayern were very close games, especially Real was really lucky in the 2nd leg because Alonso had to be sent off for sure in the beginning of the 2nd half and BVB kept wasting hilarious chances. And well, against Juve they were in a really bad shape (fighting against relegation in the Bundesliga at this point).
That sort of proves his point. He lost to the better teams regularly so they weren't a European force.
Shouldn't you be mentioning who all they defeated rather than to whom they lost?
No it doesn't. Going by that definition, only Barca, Bayern and Real are European forces.
BVB's UEFA team ranking spot 2008: 109th
2015: 13th
just give it up @Alex99, it's not going to get better
2015: 13th
just give it up @Alex99, it's not going to get better
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