pfft, you would have sacked Ferguson to sign Klopp, never mind LVG. Your future pronouncements on United shall be seen in that light...
Klopp Confirmed Liverpool Manager
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pfft, you would have sacked Ferguson to sign Klopp, never mind LVG. Your future pronouncements on United shall be seen in that light...
Not entirely true. I think rafa played a big part for Xabi and Torres to come. And he met with mascherano in torino to stop him from signing from juventus and join us instead.
also Houllier was a key factor in securing djibril cisse.
Like who? Coutinho and always-injured Sturrdige? Henderson is no where near potentially great. I think you think too highly of some of the crap which BR had amassed.
I would have tried to install Klopp as successor for SAF to modernize and improve our style.
It's taken us 34 pages to say we're not worried and, dagnabbit, I'm. not.worried.
Yes I know that he developed young talent at Dortmund, but he ended up losing plenty of talent too, Gotze, Lewandowski, Kagawa etc, I would argue if he lost that amount of talent at Liverpool over a few seasons then it will be a struggle for him, the premeiership is just so competitive, much more so than in Germany espcially in his era.
It'll be an interesting watch to see what he does, you do wonder though if he maybe sees liverpool as a stepping stone to Bayern or Barca at some point.
super-recruiter, super-motivator, all these potentially great players LFC already have
I'm in bits here lads, we've no chance
I'm in bits here lads, we've no chance
I see something in Henderson. One of the most talented English midfielders of the moment, it's not a fluke that he's part of the national team. Firmino played some amazing football for Hoffenheim. Can has loads of promise. Lallana, too. Workhorses like Milner are tailormade for Klopp's football. Just look at what he did to Błaszczykowski, Piszczek or Grosskreuz at Dortmund.
I try not to let my preference for United get in the way of a calm analysis of the Liverpool situation. That's just petty. I think we have nothing to fear and are well on our way to getting back to being a great club. If anything, I'd rather compare United to Barca and Bayern because that's where we ultimately want to be.
Don't worry, monty - he'll be knackered when the transfer committee insists that he only signs 12-year-olds from Anthrax Island.
Agreed, but for every Coutinho and Sturridge there's been an awful lot of dirt in between that never amounted to anything.
And even at that, I don't think Coutinho has done enough to qualify as a success yet.
Kid came in at £8m and has scored us numerous match winning goals, put in countless MOTM performances (Suarez aside), and has made everyone around him look better. Sure, he has his off days, but that'll improve with experience & under better management.
Coutinho has been a great success for us. To say otherwise is mental.
Gotta admit it's worrying, could actually build them a team which are going to be able to compete at a much higher level for a few years if what he's done at Dortmund is anything to go by. Just hoping out 'pool are too stubborn to change their transfer policy so he won't accept the position.
Let's be honest, Klopp is one of the top managers in Europe - he did some great things with that Dortmund side. He's got a huge job overhauling that Liverpool side but I think he'll do well. Ultimately he'll fail to put together any long term success but will be regarded a cult hero in the same way Rafa Benitez was.
If he wins what Rafa won he'll be considered a god, nevermind a cult hero.
Are Liverpool scrapping the transfer committee?
I think the numerous match winning goals is a slight exaggeration there.
Especially considering he's scored only 17 goals in his entire time at Liverpool. Actually according to the Liverpool website he scores a goal for Liverpool every 559.8 minutes.
I think your definition of a success differs to mine. He may have had some success, but he's not responsible for the team being successful. But he's young so give him time.
Especially considering he's scored only 17 goals in his entire time at Liverpool. Actually according to the Liverpool website he scores a goal for Liverpool every 559.8 minutes.
I think your definition of a success differs to mine. He may have had some success, but he's not responsible for the team being successful. But he's young so give him time.
See, just because I don't rate certain players the same as you does not mean your analysis is calm while mine is biased. That is plain stupid to think like that.
I don't rate Henderson much. Being a part of the England NT does not make him someone with lots of potential. It simply reflects how poor England's options are right now. Same goes for Lallana. A thoroughly average player who has some bits of good play. Not to mention one is 25 and the other 27 so it is not like they are spring chickens and just bursting on the scene. They have had enough opportunities to show their true worth and seeing them play has never made me wish they played for us.
He's been good, but he's not been as good as you and your scouse supporting brethren make out. In terms of end product, his numbers aren't particularly spectacular.
If you read my post you'll see that I'm not referring to your lack of calm but my own attempt at being unbiased when analysing something. I too see that both Lallana and Henderson are underperforming. I just think that Klopp is the kind of coach who will get much more out of them as I sense that there is unused potential. Ultimately it's totally fair game to have different opinions on this matter, time will tell.
I dont think so, but great video anyway
Was I edited from this post?
yeah, i had a comment from yesterday about your 200 pounds bet that i didnt post, was irrelevant so i accidentally posted it now. Sorry for that, but fair play to you for your bet.
No worries
I stand by it! No way does Klopp get Liverpool into the top 4 for consecutive seasons.
I'm not usually in favour of RAWK-a-like forum modding but this is getting ridiculous. Can someone close this thread please and open it again when he gets sacked in 2 years. It's an embarrassment.
Neither have Iniesta's ever been.
Not everything is about end product.
That said, I do think his star has been pushed a bit higher than merited due to being the best player in the team, but a player like Coutinho shouldn't be measured on just goals and assists.
The difference there is that Iniesta isn't relied upon to provide goals and assists as the team's key man. He's always been surrounded by other great players and as such has been free to facilitate and dictate the play. Coutinho doesn't do that, and as shown by his lack of end product, cannot be relied upon to be Liverpool's key man. He's pretty much your best player, but it's ridiculous to suggest that he's made everyone around him look better. There have only been two players in the last 5 years or so that have elevated the performances of other Liverpool players, and they've both left now.
John Cross, the only Arsenal fan that makes Piers Morgan look decent, wants everyone to remember Klopp didnt re-invent the wheel and is not that special - and that Danny Murphy said it's a gamble.
Two years ago:
Two years ago:
Taking the article in isolation, I agree with him.
If Klopp "represents something of a risk" the morale of the article really should be "even the best managers represents something of a risk in any case".
Cross binge eats on sour grapes when things don't go his way though, then coats it with a "still, as a neutral journo, I'd love to see it work." You should have seen his meltdown when Suarez didn't join Arsenal.
Someone explain this to @Cristiano Lell
If that's what you gathered from my entire post then I can't help you understand why there's enough evidence to support the notion that ancelotti is great at developing players (and all in all one of the best managers in the game)
Edit- screw it. Don't bother. This is the klopp thread anyway. Don't care if you get it or not.
Getting impatient that nothing 'official' has happened yet. I've supported Liverpool my whole life and have come to accept that until it's official, it's far from certain and in Liverpool's case, it tends to mean that we'll probably sign Advocaat instead!
I don't really care what his motives for writing the article are.
The fact remains that Klopp has had one very brief period of success, which ended with a season of woeful underperformance. There's already a good proportion of the Liverpool fan base that are expecting Klopp to turn them into title contenders almost instantly, so the pressure is going to be on from day one, and I don't think the Liverpool fans will remain patient as long as the Dortmund fans did.
I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out that Klopp still represents something of a risk as a managerial appointment, and I think too many people were swept up in the hype surrounding him during the two successful years he had.
Not even Arsenal fans like John Cross.
As for Klopp, I think he's come to Liverpool as some sort of test of his managerial ability. If he can win something this season with Danny Ings, Benteke, Coutinho, Henderson and Dejan Lovren then the guy must be the best manager in the league.
As for Klopp, I think he's come to Liverpool as some sort of test of his managerial ability. If he can win something this season with Danny Ings, Benteke, Coutinho, Henderson and Dejan Lovren then the guy must be the best manager in the league.
I wasn't debating that Carlo is a fantastic manager (I said exactly that). He obviously is, on top of being one of the most likeable guys ever.
I was just pointing out that it's odd you list as his strenghts, compared to Klopp, 'development of youngsters' and 'getting the best out of average players'.
For me, these are exactly the two areas Klopp has shown at Dortmund to make him a good fit at Liverpool, while Ancelotti hasn't exactly been famous for it.
He never had to work with 'average players' in the first place, not that it is his fault. His propensity for a steady first 11, which makes stars happy, hasn't exactly shown him to be a promoter of youth either.
If Malouda, Ashley Cole, Pirlo, 'an aging Maldini', are your examples of 'average' players then I guess we just have a different standard.
I'd say reaching a CL final with Sven Bender, Marcel Schmelzer, Kevin Grosskreutz and Blasczykowski is a more notable instance of bringing out the best of average players, just as a player like Götze would be a better example of promotion of youth than 550 minutes of Josh McEachran. How many times did he prefer Varane over Pepe/Ramos when they were fit?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Ancelotti is bad for the development of youngsters, like say Mourinho. I'm also not saying he's not getting the best out of players. But a 'record' of youth promotion and getting the best out of average players? Pls.
Liverpool have a decent squad. I would not be surprised at all if they do end up winning something.
I don't know much about Klopp other than what others have said here. But sounds like a top manager.
I don't know much about Klopp other than what others have said here. But sounds like a top manager.
Kenny won a cup with Andy Carroll & Stewart Downing
Our squad is decent. Our striking options are good-very good, our attacking mids are good, our midfield lacks depth and our CBs & Mig need a kick up the arse, but we're not too far off.
Kenny won a cup with Andy Carroll & Stewart Downing
Our squad is decent. Our striking options are good-very good, our attacking mids are good, our midfield lacks depth and our CBs & Mig need a kick up the arse, but we're not too far off.
Basically, it's on?
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