Klopp Confirmed Liverpool Manager

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Unfortunately all the evidence says otherwise.

Great managers can overcome the odds on occasion, which is what Klopp may do. But doing it consistently is rare. Nobody has ever really managed it over a sustained period of time. Wenger about the best example, but the last 10 years showed how that wasn't sustainable from a league challenging POV. And their budget was still pretty healthy tbf, at least from a top 4 perspective.

Liverpool will no doubt give a few of the teams above them a bloody nose from time to time, but without serious structural reform at the club (i.e. not just the manager), or a financial apocalypse at one of the Big 4, it'll be a one season up, one season down sort of thing.

He's a good coach, not a miracle worker. Dortmund were a solidly #2 team in Germany for majority of his reign from a financial perspective. He actually spent substantial amounts of money (12th highest spending coach of all time). So stretching them to finish #1 wasn't quite the same as taking a #5 and finishing #1, though obviously top 4 is very possible.

Really?

http://swissramble.blogspot.de/2012/10/borussia-dortmund-back-in-game.html

That's after their second league title.

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In fact, over the last three seasons no fewer than nine clubs in Germany’s top flight have spent more than Dortmund’s net €2 million.

Dortmund only really (net) spent big (~€60m) in his last season
 
It was 45 million pounds not euros, £255m for Liverpool and £300m for Arsenal. Liverpool have signed some pretty impressive sponsorship deals in the last year, Dunkin Donuts for a reported £7m a year, Garuda for their training kit and airline sponsor for £16m per year, their Standard Chartered deal is now £30m up from 20m. Even without the CL their revenue can be £350m when the new PL TV deal starts. They're not going to be competing with us and Madrid for players but £350m is certainly enough to finish in the top four or even win the league if they sign the right players.

English fans don´t understand that German managers are used to completely different numbers. I´m pretty sure Rodgers spent more in transfer fees at Liverpool than Pep did at Bayern Munich.

When they talked to Klopp about his transfer budget it probably went something like

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Listen Jurgen we cannot compete with the big four, unfortunately you´ll only have a very limited transfer budget every year (haha bye bye).....just 100 million pounds (what).
 
Liverpool will be a soft spot for some United fans next season.
There were many on here who seemed to express more love for Klopp then they ever did for United. We might see some of them make the switch, with a bit of luck. Can't support two teams in the same league :)
 
There were many on here who seemed to express more love for Klopp then they ever did for United. We might see some of them make the switch, with a bit of luck. Can't support two teams in the same league :)



Real's well supported on here thanks to CR7. Strange phenomena.
 
There were many on here who seemed to express more love for Klopp then they ever did for United. We might see some of them make the switch, with a bit of luck. Can't support two teams in the same league :)

Thank the lord we don't have Kagawa anymore. That would have been the worst
 
It was 45 million pounds not euros, £255m for Liverpool and £300m for Arsenal. Liverpool have signed some pretty impressive sponsorship deals in the last year, Dunkin Donuts for a reported £7m a year, Garuda for their training kit and airline sponsor for £16m per year, their Standard Chartered deal is now £30m up from 20m. Even without the CL their revenue can be £350m when the new PL TV deal starts. They're not going to be competing with us and Madrid for players but £350m is certainly enough to finish in the top four or even win the league if they sign the right players.
It was 45m euros back then. The currency rate was different a couple of years ago, and pound with euro were much closer in value.

Anyway, I agree. 350m pounds is around twice as much as the revenue of Atletico Madrid, and they have shown that they can compete with two teams which are significantly better than any team in England. With the right signing and given time, they can compete for the title (obviously, if things go right).
 
I'm discussing Klopp and it is true. Believe me.
Van Gaal got himself sacked, no one else responsible for it. He could have finished behind Dortmund that season without getting fired.
 
It was 45m euros back then. The currency rate was different a couple of years ago, and pound with euro were much closer in value.

Anyway, I agree. 350m pounds is around twice as much as the revenue of Atletico Madrid, and they have shown that they can compete with two teams which are significantly better than any team in England. With the right signing and given time, they can compete for the title (obviously, if things go right).

The pound/euro exchange rate wouldn't matter, both are British teams and use pounds. Arsenal's revenue in 13/14 was £301.9m Liverpool's was £255.6m.
 
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Real's well supported on here thanks to CR7. Strange phenomena.
Clubs in different leagues.
Anyone on here claiming to be a United fan, but wanting Liverpool to win the league to show that their beloved Klopp is as amazing as they always said he is, is not going to be seen as a United fan by many...
This is what I forsee, people on here claiming to be United fans, but expressing far more love for Klopp's Liverpool than they ever showed for United. It'll be weird, but that's the Internet for you.
 
Klopp: The Man behind the Half And Half Scarves
 
Is Simeone better than Klopp?

Similar calibre so far. Simeone's had more success in Europe and his challenge of overcoming both Madrid and Barcelona was bigger. Klopp's Dortmund played better football though and he actually managed to retain the league title with Dortmund. Far too close to call.
 
Is Simeone better than Klopp?

Wouldn't say there's much in it either way. Both got to a CL final, both won the league against bigger opposition (Simeone against two opponents, Klopp with two wins).

Both are very good young managers with differing yet effective styles.
 
I think that Simeone's achievements with Atleti are arguably more impressive (La Liga is more competitive) but Dortmund have been much better to watch.
 
It was 45m euros back then. The currency rate was different a couple of years ago, and pound with euro were much closer in value.

Anyway, I agree. 350m pounds is around twice as much as the revenue of Atletico Madrid, and they have shown that they can compete with two teams which are significantly better than any team in England. With the right signing and given time, they can compete for the title (obviously, if things go right).

Please get back on track and stick to analysis that will support the notion that size of wage bill alone dictates your success.

Just give your players pay rises and success will follow.
 
I think that Simeone's achievements with Atleti are arguably more impressive (La Liga is more competitive) but Dortmund have been much better to watch.

Agree with that. I'd take Klopp over Simeone because of the quality of football but in terms of who's actually better I think Simeone edges it.
 
I think that Simeone's achievements with Atleti are arguably more impressive (La Liga is more competitive) but Dortmund have been much better to watch.
Yep. Would choose Klopp over Simeone every day of the week though, despite that Simeone has done more than Klopp. Simeone is more like Mourinho, while Klopp more like SAF/Wenger.
 
A part of me is happy, RAWK was getting boring recently and this will bring the delusion back.
 
Although part of me would have been excited to see what kind of tactical ingenuity Ancelotti would come up with to get the best out of our players, I have to admit if I could have picked any manager anywhere, I'd have picked Klopp.

I like his football, I love his charisma and personality, think he'll be great fit for the club. But most of all, he's the only manager around who has done what we need him to do - compete for highest honours on a lesser budget than his rivals.
 
Can't wait for a Skrtel-Sakho high line (with Lucas/Milner DM) to take the league by storm.
 
You're wrong on that. Everything points to FSG being more than happy to give the right man time. They even gave rodgers a chance to turn it around in the summer.
If he gets top 4 regularly and makes an actual challenge for honours without sending out teams that look lost, he'll get the time he needs.
Rodgers was fired because it became obvious he had lost direction with this team and wasn't getting it back anytime soon - with the candidates available as there are, you have to pull the trigger.
I also feel quite sure that they wouldn't have sacked him without some positive sounding out feedback from at least one of their favoured candidates beforehand.
I agree with you that he didn't follow what brought him success anymore and didn't have a real plan how he wanted to play. I too agree that he will still be at Liverpool if Klopp and Ancelotti wouldn't be available.
But i just said that he wouldn't get 3 years if the second one wouldn't be as good as it was. I still think so and as much as i believe Klopp can do a good job at Liverpool if he will not bring Champions League football in 2 seasons he will be sacked and it will be hard for him to acomplished that.
Except that it's not as simple as that. Everything indicates that FSG sees Klopp as a long-term investment (rightfully so), and his past indicates that it's a good thing to give him time. All FSG wants to see is a clear game plan and some progress, which clearly wasn't the case anymore with Rodgers. They're not stupid, but their ultimate goal is to get us back at the top, and they know damn well that it'll take time to achieve that, no matter who the manager is. Don't be fooled by random reports that they think we should be challenging for the title this season.
Well i just stated what papers said. I believe that Liverpool owners want Liverpool in the Champions League every year and as i answered to B20 i think he will be sacked if he will fail to deliver Champions League football in 2 seasons.
 
i would be more worried if ancelotti took over.

I'm sort of not bothered by Klopp or Ancelotti - since neither would have the resources to succeed beyond possibly getting in the CL a time or two. The problem is LFC not the people who manage them.
 
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