Does this mean next year will be Liverpool's year then 
Klopp Confirmed Liverpool Manager
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I read it from the German posters on here!!
Think it was Balu discussing it a few days ago
You think Liverpool sacked Rodgers before approaching Klopp?
Or more likely were waiting for the go ahead from Jurgen before sacking Rodgers. I doubt the timing of all this is down to Liverpool tbh.
I am sure they sounded him out before. Probably also Ancelotti and De Boer as well.
Klopp's camp has been sounding us out since the summer though. I don't think he was ever primed for Bayern.
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Bollocks. Absolute shite, and you can quote me on that. Klopp will not even get Liverpool back in the top 4. The rot in that club runs far deeper than the manager.
Not sure they can compete with the resources of the other big four. Klopp is quality but their problems run deeper.
Top four could be achievable this season given Chelsea's mini-implosion but even then it's hard to see them being able to finish in that position consistently.
Top four could be achievable this season given Chelsea's mini-implosion but even then it's hard to see them being able to finish in that position consistently.
Exactly right.
It does. You just can't see it because you're way to bitter with everything related to Dortmund & Klopp
.Does this mean next year will be Liverpool's year then
Next year will always be Liverpool's
Is this confirmed ? I am not too bothered either way, they will need a couple of years to get better. The competition will be higher than ever, liverpool wont be highest spenders or even the top 4 highest spenders. If klopp can manage to get them close to the title then kudos to him. The competition from united, chelsea, city, arsenal will be very hard. With all of them more attractive destinations than liverpool especially with champions league.
His first job will be to get them into champions league. chelsea and utd places look the most vulnerable, if he can topple one without spending too much in january ae will wait and see.
His first job will be to get them into champions league. chelsea and utd places look the most vulnerable, if he can topple one without spending too much in january ae will wait and see.
Indeed.
Not sure why he would take the job. He won't have the money to take them into the top 4 consistently and without the cash finishing 5th is a result. That's the reality even if the Liverpool fans won't accept it.
He'll be expected to over achieve and if he doesn't then he'll end up like Rodgers.
I've heard a suggestion that he will attract the really top players they need. The fact is, unless he's got CL football and a budget that allows him to offer multiple players £150k a week it won't happen.
Okay I am coming around Klopp will come in turn things around and buy 5 world class players in January turning Liverpool into an unbeatable juggernaut.
City, Chelsea, Arsenal, United, Munich, Real. I would say there is a 70% any of the jobs will be available at the end of the season, as he is on sabbatical, dont know why he does not wait till then, and then decide. He would be in a top 3 short list for all these clubs.
The top 4 in England has been rather inconsistent for a while now. If one of the 2nd tier clubs actually had a manager capable to lift the team over the sum of its parts consistently, Liverpool or Tottenham could have broken into the top 4 regularly. Neither club had a good enough manager though.
Of course it's not guaranteed that the problems with the 4 richer clubs continue or that Klopp is the manager to bring that quality and consistency to Liverpool. It's a big challenge, no doubt. But as long as the top 4 are doing a pretty average job, they're not untouchable in the league.
Worrying thing is I don't think Pool previously held much pull with the top players, with Klopp, there are some players that will go due to him.
Ah, the reality. Yet, he obviously doesn't see it that way. Maybe if you broaden your thinking you will be able to comprehend why he is coming.
The fatalist elitism on this board ever since Ferguson resigned is dull as feck.
Exactly. Football doesn't go to plan.
Is he not the great tactician some people seem to think he is? German media were definitely ripping into this weakness of his claiming he's a one trick pony that was found out in his final season.
Plenty of Dortmund fans are hoping Tuchel could be a step forward and upward compared to him.
And if he is a one trick pony, will it last long enough or come surprising enough to win the league? After all, even Wodgers almost did it (I'll ignore the Suarez-factor for convenience).
Plenty of Dortmund fans are hoping Tuchel could be a step forward and upward compared to him.
And if he is a one trick pony, will it last long enough or come surprising enough to win the league? After all, even Wodgers almost did it (I'll ignore the Suarez-factor for convenience).
Really hope you are right and I am wrong.
Don't worry, I am.
Depends what you mean by top players? I'd say it'll help with promising young talents who wouldn't necessarily start for bigger teams. And he might have an advantage with German players. I could see someone like Geis leaving Schalke for Liverpool because of Klopp, but doubt he would have with Rodgers still in charge. But that's as far I'd go when it comes saying he'll attract better players. They won't attract bigger names than they did before in my opinion unless they start to play regularly in the CL and pay close to the same wages than the top teams do. They need Klopp to choose better and make the most of it.
It's funny you're so confident about it cos you can't possibly know right know if he's going to get us back in the top four or not.
A fluke can occur one season, I'm talking about getting consistently into the top 4 - that's not going to happen.
Based on what? Because we're not as rich as the other big clubs? That guarantees you feck all in football, there are a million other factors to take into account. Anyone who thinks he knows anything about how Klopp would do at Liverpool is talking bollocks.
That's a lot of factors..
You know what? I will wire you 200 GBP if Klopp can get Liverpool into the top 4 for 2 consecutive seasons (I assume you're on the Caf for the long haul?) I he, by an act of God, manages it and I don't pay up then I'll leave the Caf forever. Ban me. Bookmark this post.
I think there is the passionate fan speaking out of you. But Bayern always was very rational with their manager choices (Klinsmann aside), and they always took the manager they believed was the best available. Back then even Rehagel from Werder Bremen, or Hitzfeld from Dortmund. Sometimes it even made me believe they like to pick the one who drove them crazy most lately.
And the style of play wouldn't be a problem either. His Bayern incarnation probably would look similar to Heynckes' Bayern. Which wasn't that bad, if I recall it correctly.
I certainly am now
You may be right mate, but it's way to premature to say such things, imo.
ffs
Unfortunately all the evidence says otherwise.
Great managers can overcome the odds on occasion, which is what Klopp may do. But doing it consistently is rare. Nobody has ever really managed it over a sustained period of time. Wenger about the best example, but the last 10 years showed how that wasn't sustainable from a league challenging POV. And their budget was still pretty healthy tbf, at least from a top 4 perspective.
Liverpool will no doubt give a few of the teams above them a bloody nose from time to time, but without serious structural reform at the club (i.e. not just the manager), or a financial apocalypse at one of the Big 4, it'll be a one season up, one season down sort of thing.
He's a good coach, not a miracle worker. Dortmund were a solidly #2 team in Germany for majority of his reign from a financial perspective. He actually spent substantial amounts of money (12th highest spending coach of all time). So stretching them to finish #1 wasn't quite the same as taking a #5 and finishing #1, though obviously top 4 is very possible.
That shouldn't be a problem considering that the new EPL deal will be around 50m higher. Putting half of it in the wages means that they would have an extra 500k/week to spend on the wages. Then obviously it is the extra money in case they reach UCL. The difference in money between Arsenal and Liverpool is generally UCL money. The last time we have published reports (13/14), Arsenal had a 45m euro higher revenue.
I think that Klopp would do very well there, and even this year will be in challenge for the fourth place. With the right additions, I think that he can make a very good team. Will he be able to challenge with City, Chelsea and United considering that he'll have 100m+ pounds less per year is something that we don't know, but money ain't everything in football. And in the end, if Rodgers managed to make a very good challenge, then Klopp can do it too.
If I was a Liverpool fan, the day when Klopp signs with them would have been the best footballing day since Instanbul.
That means nothing. Football is very inflated these days, every manager who spends a few years in this era will have spent a lot of money. Wouldn't be surprised if LVG is the biggest United spender manager of all time, same for Pellegrini, Rodgers, Mourinho etc. In a normal summer now, a manager spends more than what an another manager spend in a decade 20 years ago.
Klopp's net spend during his time at Dortmund is almost 0. BVB - if I am not mistaken - have very limited wages and don't go above 40% of the revenue. Until the last 3 years, their revenue was quite small. In the end of the day - and bar the last year - I doubt that Klopp spent more at Dortmund (net transfers + wages) than Moyes did at Everton.
Damn! He'll turn them into a good team. Come on Woody, there's still time to get in before he takes over at Liverpool
Based on years of developing a certain culture and standard within each club. United, Chelsea, City, and Arsenal have fostered a mentality of constantly finishing within the top 4. From the youth systems to each and every employee, these clubs have much stronger platforms to rely upon than Liverpool currently have.
To think that Liverpool will radically change because of one person is more unlikely than to assume that you will remain a club that more often than not finish outside the top four and fail to attract (or pay for) the best players and talents in the world.
They are six points behind 1st with their best player missing most games and everybody saying their manager was shite. They sit a point behind Tottenham and four ahead of Chelsea for the realistic 4th spot contenders. It´s not like he´ll have to perform a miracle to get them into the top 4 this year. A lot will depend on the tough stretch ahead. If the new manager effect produce like 9 points from these matches they are in business. Will be interesting to see how he lines them up. Surely Klopp wants to play Benteke and Sturride together, if possible.
They benefited from a very successful youth structure, churning out £15m to £30m players, which he won't have the luxury of at Liverpool. So despite spending quite heavily, he could off-set that by selling those players for huge profit.
There's virtually no chance of that happening at Liverpool. It will be entirely reliant on spending to succeed. And unless FSG dramatically change how they've run the club until now (low net spending, consistently selling star players), then it's unlikely they'll challenge consistently.
Would anyone happily see Van Gaal sacked today if it meant we got Klopp?
It was 45 million pounds not euros, £255m for Liverpool and £300m for Arsenal. Liverpool have signed some pretty impressive sponsorship deals in the last year, Dunkin Donuts for a reported £7m a year, Garuda for their training kit and airline sponsor for £16m per year, their Standard Chartered deal is now £30m up from 20m. Even without the CL their revenue can be £350m when the new PL TV deal starts. They're not going to be competing with us and Madrid for players but £350m is certainly enough to finish in the top four or even win the league if they sign the right players.
This thread, fecking hell. The hipster freakout is going to make RedCafe unbearable.
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