I'm surprised you have the free time to be posting on redcafe, Jurgen.
Klopp Confirmed Liverpool Manager
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WTF I bet even Klopp doesn't rate himself as high as SAF. Maybe if he replicates his Dortmund successes for the next 20 odd years he'll dare to put himself in that discussion. What SAF did was the equivalent of taking over Dortmund (a sleeping giant) and actually turning them into the Bayern of the league over a dominant period of time. A remarkable feat. That's after he won a European trophy by beating Real Madrid and Bayern Munich with Aberdeen 
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I do not really understand what this has to do with turning into a Liverpool supporter (being a United supporter for more than 20 years). I have never turned into a Dortmund supporter as well.
My words are of course a bit exaggerated but I stand by my opinion. I always said he would be my absolute No 1 choice for the Job at United. He could have modernized the Basic principles of SAF whose tactics have already been slightly dusty at the end. This has nothing to do with any Kind of disrespect.
Of course all of the mentioned have been far more successful but purely based on tactics and playing philosophy I have seldom witnessed Teams playing a more effective and attractive style than his ones.
If he got the same resources, time and circumstances than all the other great ones he would have a lot of more trophies than he has right now.
Let`s just say I am really worried about him potentially signing for Liverpool.
I do not really understand what this has to do with turning into a Liverpool supporter (being a United supporter for more than 20 years). I have never turned into a Dortmund supporter as well.
My words are of course a bit exaggerated but I stand by my opinion. I always said he would be my absolute No 1 choice for the Job at United. He could have modernized the Basic principles of SAF whose tactics have already been slightly dusty at the end. This has nothing to do with any Kind of disrespect.
Of course all of the mentioned have been far more successful but purely based on tactics and playing philosophy I have seldom witnessed Teams playing a more effective and attractive style than his ones.
If he got the same resources, time and circumstances than all the other great ones he would have a lot of more trophies than he has right now.
Let`s just say I am really worried about him potentially signing for Liverpool.
Firstly, you're right on the final league position. I had it in my head that they'd finished 11th, but obviously not. My mistake.
As for the rest, it wasn't a dig, but Klopp came into a club that had decent resources and potential and he made them much stronger. From what I know - and I stand to be corrected - 13th was a false position when the resources and everything else was considered. The squad had some deadwood, but a bit of quality too. He did a really good job to improve that side to the point of being the second best group of players in Germany (on paper), but IMO he did an even better job turning a squad that was (again, on paper) not as good, man for man, as Bayern's, into a much better team than them. Not to even mention getting the side playing like one of the best in Europe, even though they didn't have the resources.
So I wasn't having a dig at Klopp, merely pointing out that for all of the years of over-achievement, he's just come off a season of gross underachievement (admittedly there were mitigating factors), so expecting him to turn up in a more competitive league and suddenly turn the side with the fifth highest wage bill into much more than that might be optimistic.
All IMHO, of course.
It's interesting to see how Klopp does in the premier league.
His style of high pressing, fast attacking play seems to suit it down to the ground, but with the added games in England will his squad manage to keep up the fast tempo required to play his way. his Dortmund squad clearly suffered burn out, and arguably he lost belief that they could ever topple Bayern again anytime soon. I expect that he will get them playing good attacking football again, but it'll take a few transfer windows to really get rid of the average players they have.
I can see a line up of Mignolet,Gomez,Sakho,(new cb), Clyne, Ibe, Henderson, (new cm) (new LW) Coutinho, Sturridge.
Think that would be a good starting point for his high energy/press team that could attack at speed.
Hopefully though he fails miserably.
His style of high pressing, fast attacking play seems to suit it down to the ground, but with the added games in England will his squad manage to keep up the fast tempo required to play his way. his Dortmund squad clearly suffered burn out, and arguably he lost belief that they could ever topple Bayern again anytime soon. I expect that he will get them playing good attacking football again, but it'll take a few transfer windows to really get rid of the average players they have.
I can see a line up of Mignolet,Gomez,Sakho,(new cb), Clyne, Ibe, Henderson, (new cm) (new LW) Coutinho, Sturridge.
Think that would be a good starting point for his high energy/press team that could attack at speed.
Hopefully though he fails miserably.
Yep. Has it been mentioned yet that Klopp is too fat and too slow for the EPL?
Rodgers got 3 years only because of that freak second season in which he almost won the league. If his second season would be similar than his third one he would be sacked before january...
If Klopp fails to achieve goals made by board (which are obvious really high, just read an article in which they stated that Liverpool owners believe that this current team can challenge for the title) two seasons in a row he will be sacked. Simple as that.
The one current Pl manager I can kind of compare Klopp to in terms of style is Pochettino, when Pochettino joined Southampton he had an instant impact on the team but at Spurs it has taken him more than a season to finally get the team playing the way he wants them to play. Interesting to see what Klopp decides to do short term because it's always hard to join the club when the season is already on and you have to win matches while trying to change the style of football
Just want to say that he is doing a really good job, how he improved Southampton and is now building a young team at Spurs on low budget is impressive. If Klopp will start in similar fashion and will be as good as Pochettino just with the budget on steroids he can build a great team. But he will need time for that...
Tweety says press conference being readied. Wonder what it's about?
You're wrong on that. Everything points to FSG being more than happy to give the right man time. They even gave rodgers a chance to turn it around in the summer.
If he gets top 4 regularly and makes an actual challenge for honours without sending out teams that look lost, he'll get the time he needs.
Rodgers was fired because it became obvious he had lost direction with this team and wasn't getting it back anytime soon - with the candidates available as there are, you have to pull the trigger.
I also feel quite sure that they wouldn't have sacked him without some positive sounding out feedback from at least one of their favoured candidates beforehand.
You'd think teams of really genuinely serious Title contender quality might put away more than 1 of Norwich, Carlisle, Villa & Sion inside of 90mins at home, whoever was managing them.
Fenway must be absolute barmpots, we may be saved after all.
Fenway must be absolute barmpots, we may be saved after all.
Funds may be available in January but let's be realistic about that window ok. The summer window sees the most and best activity for a reason
dafuq?
The worst for us. Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho all signed in January
Except that it's not as simple as that. Everything indicates that FSG sees Klopp as a long-term investment (rightfully so), and his past indicates that it's a good thing to give him time. All FSG wants to see is a clear game plan and some progress, which clearly wasn't the case anymore with Rodgers. They're not stupid, but their ultimate goal is to get us back at the top, and they know damn well that it'll take time to achieve that, no matter who the manager is. Don't be fooled by random reports that they think we should be challenging for the title this season.
Our best activity has been in the January window in the last couple of years though: Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho. All came for relatively low fees, it shouldn't be a surprise if Klopp already identifies some targets and tries to get them (on the cheap) in January.
Overall January is not a big window though you know that the vast majority of transfers take place in the summer. But go ahead and pretend otherwise
Not neccesarily. If you look at his net spent over the years there, it is basically 0. They also have a healthy wage-to-revenue ratio considering that things went bad a few years ago, so it isn't that they players had good wages.
If you look at his spent (on both transfers and wages) it is more comparable with Everton under Moyes, or Sunderland than the likes of Liverpool and Spurs of this world. Ironically, in the year they spent most money (last season), thinsg went quite bad (still though he got Europa League football, finalists of DFB Pokal and leaded the group in UCL ahead of Arsenal).
Press conference for 5pm
Moisturising cream at the ready. Don't care if I'm still at work!!
False Alarm: some idiot's trolling us.
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False Alarm: some idiot's trolling us.
I'm still puzzled by this seemingly automatic assumption that Klopp will succeed at Liverpool.
I remember when I was making a list of potential successors for SAF, I was devastated when we announced Moyes.
To be fair most of us were
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Agger, Skrtel, Mascherano all signed for us in January too.
And you signed Vidic and Evra in january as well.
But go ahead, pretend it's not a big window.
He'll be raiding our clubshop when he arrives. Hats, gillets, sweats, glasses.. they'll be nothing left!
You mean our Kloppshop....
Press conference for 5pm
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He's widely tipped to be Pep's replacement at Bayern so even if takes the Liverpool job it won't be long term and it's not as if he has a squad that suits his style of play so on top of that it'll take a while for the club to adapt to him and his style.
If he's a success he won't be there longer then 2 season, if he fails he isn't be there for more than 2 years.
If he's a success he won't be there longer then 2 season, if he fails he isn't be there for more than 2 years.
Apart from anything else, scousers saying the word Klopp is going to be like someone hacking up a phlegm ball each time isn't it?
That will probably be the first time he realises he's made a huge mistake, when he hears the first chant with his name in it. He'll vomit on the spot.
That will probably be the first time he realises he's made a huge mistake, when he hears the first chant with his name in it. He'll vomit on the spot.
Hadn't Dortmund nearly gone bankrupt and was close to regelation before Klopp came ? Need some BvB supporter to correct me here but I'm sure their financial wasn't " healthy" at all in 2002-2006 .
Keep believing brother. It doesn't sound desperate at all.
Why would I be desperate? I'm guessing it's a coincidence that the rumours of Pep extending his Bayern stay coincides with Kloop going to Liverpool.
This is the managerial version of Di Maria using United as a stop gap until he can go where he really wants to go.
Who tips him as replacement at Bayern?
The media in Germany that needs a topic?
Friends of Klopp that tell that seem to try to advertise him for that job (Heidel, Watzke)?
Some forget maybe that his tactics do not match to Bayern. He might be able to make a 180-degree turnaround and sweet talk some media presenters - but after getting laughters with his underdog rhetoric about the guys with bow and arrows against the guys with the bazooka how much would he be authentic...
Sammer - Bayern's sport director and Klopp aren't really big friends either. Cannot see them working together.
It just does not make any sense.
Yeah - we totally timed our sacking of rodgers to match with Guardiola's contract negotiations.
Nevermind that he's been briefing since the summer that he would be happy to take on a project like this.
Aye they were the heavily in debt around that time, I even think Bayern lent them money to allow them to pay players wages
Yeah. If Klopp doesn't like Moreno, then I could see him buying an LB just because there's no other option. Maybe a refugee from Dortmund that isn't getting time there, like Subotic or Weidenfeller, though only the former could help.
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