One of my favourite managers ending up at that shithouse of a club. Nightmare.
Klopp Confirmed Liverpool Manager
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I wonder how he'll do really? Hope we're losing our shit for no reason...
Klopp will not add much value to City or Chelsea because they operate differently than what he has proven himself at so far, he could improve them but he'd not give them 50% over what other managers would offer. Liverpool however are a perfect fit for him and Klopp being there could improve them massively.
Of the top of my head: our manager, financial guy, two scouts, a representative from FSG and of course Ian Ayre.
Except in the inevitable seasons when the usual suspects have problems or are in transition, I can't see Klopp turning Liverpool into regular title challengers regardless of his talent; there's a provincial, regressive mindset in place at Liverpool and that hasn't changed in decades, and in spite of foreign influence.
I knew this wasn't as straightforward as some were making out. Not that I'm one of the those "hope he doesn't go to Liverpool" type of people.
Is this committee non negotiable?
Unfortunately, I don't think they'd abandon that way of targeting/buying players if that's what Klopp demands, if that's what you're implying.
Logical since it is working so well for Liverpool
Don't get why everyone loves him so much. Was saying that when he was linked here too. But we'll see how he does!
Whoever ends up with Ancelotti will worry me though.
Whoever ends up with Ancelotti will worry me though.
I think that's mainly down to the inability (in the transfer market) of Rodgers and the other people in it. The system itself is perfectly fine, as several other posters already pointed out.Logical since it is working so well for Liverpool
Every time you hear an English pundit/manager/commentator go on about 'the modern game' you just know it's a bag of complete bullshit.
Gabriel gets sent off after Costa's antics - commentator "this doesn't feel fair but oh well I guess that's the modern game". No it isn't lol, it's simply a referee with no capacity for supervision.
Neither is it 'modern' to have sporting directors and to have to get the balance between them and a coach/manager right, even if for Redknapp, or Gary Neville, everything that surpasses their own experience is some sign of decline/trend of the 'modern game'.
Will they make him sell his best player after almost winning the title? Then sack him a few season later for winning Jack & imposing signings on him he possibly doesn't want?
I don't see Klopp succeeding in the league against the financial might of the clubs he would want to compete against.
City, Chelsea have much better teams and finances if needed. Arsenal are in much better state compared to Pool. He'll be an idiot if he takes Liverpool's job. If he fails he'll get a massive hit on his reputation, which was already blemished with his last year at Dortmund.
The system is always working as good as people who are in the system. Do you think that anyone from that commite other then Rodgers will be replaced because if not then it will not do much good if they only change one person in 4-5 members commite.
Why not? He accomplished exactly that with Dortmund. When he picked them up, they were in shambles and he then went on to the Champions League Final with them. I think Klopp is a big football fan and the history of Liverpool suits him and his pathos. If they meet his conditions, I think he'll be a good influence. Certainly for their press conferences, if nothing else.
The more Bayern seem to extend Guardiola's contract, the more likely it looks to me for Klopp to make this move.
But the way Klopp sets his teams to play, there will be seasons where they will seriously challenge for the title. This league favours teams which setup to attack (and deliver), as Rodgers himself found out 2 seasons ago.
Not entirely sure but as I recall - Rodgers, head of recruitment, head of statistical analysis, Ayre and (I think) Henry.
What reality?Logged-on in the hope that they would've appointed someone else, or Klopp himself would've ruled-in himself out this morning, but no, reality continues to feck us over. Infuriating that Liverpool are somehow going to end-up with him
Nah still think he will flop there. Not because i don't rate him as a manager but because they have just to big expectations there. Everyone is saying that Rodgers had more than 3 seasons, yes he was not that bad in the first season, he was 2nd in his second season and was in the race for 4th in his last season till our game against them. Then he was sacked after 8 games. It is fair to say that if Klopp doesn't improve Liverpool in 2 seasons he will be sacked and tbf in that time he will only have 1 summer transfer window to clean the squad and bring some quality.
are people honestly that worried? he seems a good a manger who has had success at one team. there's nothing to say he can emulate that or will even be given the funds/time/structure to emulate it.
not to mention it's only fecking liverpool, it'd take a fecking wizard to turn the £300m spent by rogers into much more than a squad of also rans. they have problems all over the pitch. they are pretty much where we were two years ago, some decent players, a lot of deadwood and no clear direction. they don't the luxury of a feck tonne of cash to sort themselves out though.
arsenal, chelsea and city both have better squads and just as good a mangers, if not arguably better. yes, under klopp they'll more than likely be more of a challenge than under rogers but come the feck on, he's not a miracle worker, he is just a manger of a team that it was fashionable to like as they were massive underdogs in their league and no one had any reason to hate them.
not to mention it's only fecking liverpool, it'd take a fecking wizard to turn the £300m spent by rogers into much more than a squad of also rans. they have problems all over the pitch. they are pretty much where we were two years ago, some decent players, a lot of deadwood and no clear direction. they don't the luxury of a feck tonne of cash to sort themselves out though.
arsenal, chelsea and city both have better squads and just as good a mangers, if not arguably better. yes, under klopp they'll more than likely be more of a challenge than under rogers but come the feck on, he's not a miracle worker, he is just a manger of a team that it was fashionable to like as they were massive underdogs in their league and no one had any reason to hate them.
Agree with this. When Klopp took Dortmund he finished 5th and 6th in the next two seasons. I'd imagine it will be the similar case with Pool and I don't think they will even wait for him for 3 seasons as they have huge expectations there...
Not sure if worried is the word, but disappointed certainly. Klopp will be able to recruit players who are comprehensively better than what they now have though and he's a fantastic manager and man motivator so yes, they'll be a lot better off.
Doesn't matter what manager Liverpool, or in fact any team, get - the formula for PL success is now set in stone:
Richest owners = Biggest Wage Bill = Highest league position.
Richest owners = Biggest Wage Bill = Highest league position.
and of couse Bill Shankly's force ghost.
Well, he managed to beat Bayern quite a few times, and though Dortmund have a great resources they are not exactly Bayern level.
Bayern were a little shit when he won those Bundesliga tittles. At the first moment when Bayern got their shit together they were never again challenging for the tittle.
Regardless, he assembled a very good team and it showed in Europe too.
Ah, the (wet lettuce orientated) outlook improves slightly according to the Daily Mail...
Kloppy is ''demanding full control over transfers'' & Ancelotti ''isn't sure''
We may yet survive.
Kloppy is ''demanding full control over transfers'' & Ancelotti ''isn't sure''
We may yet survive.
While his achievements with Dortmund are great, I am not sure Bayern then (when Dortmund won titles) was the same quality or at level we have seen them from their treble season onwards. Also in PL there is no one Bayern, there are 3-4 clubs with significantly more money than Liverpool and not to forget Spurs who can spend big too. That said, to get in top 4, Klopp just needs one of those 4 to slip and once in CL, he can certainly do lot better than what Rodgers did and then get progressively better in league with players developing and Liverpool becoming attractive to players abroad. That will be obvious theory, depends how soon he can do it and do FSG hold patience till then.
He wasn't the only one who was "guilty" that they managed to assemble that squad. I don't wan't to take anything from Klopp but the fact that he couldn't build the squad as good again with more money can put a question mark over his ability and if he wasn't just a little lucky to. You have to know that at this moment Tuchel is doing just as good as Klopp was doing before.
Not true. They beat Bayern to the title in 2012, when Bayern made the CL final and lost to Chelsea. That was still a very good Bayern team who beat a league winning Madrid in semis.
Feck me, his star has dropped quickly on here.
Being called a manager of same level as Arsene and Mou is star dropping?
The team in 11/12 wasn't a bit shit, it played well and reached the CL final. Dortmund set a new points record in the Bundesliga, they were outstanding. They finished on more points than we did last season. We were a mess in Dortmund's first title winning season, but definitely not when Dortmund won the double and beat us 5-2 in the cup final.
Mourinho, no. But Klopp is obviously of a higher profile than present day wenger and pellegrini.
Exactly.
There's no such thing as a super manager who can single handedly perform miracles (on a consistent, prolonged basis) with a bunch of mediocre players. It just doesn't happen. Liverpool are miles behind the current top 4 teams in terms of their squad and just as importantly, they are miles behind when it comes to financial power. It is unthinkable that their squad can be as good as the squads of the top 4 within the next 5 years, or even come close to it.
Christ.
not at all. it just remains to be seen how good he really is. wenger, mourinho and pellegrini have all been there and done it before, they have all gone toe to toe with united numerous times and come out on top at one point or another during their reigns. klopp hasn't. he may end up better than all of them and i do really like him and a person and as a manger but at the minute he and liverpool shouldn't concern us more than the actual big three.
dortmund could have just been a stepping stone onto bigger and better things or it could be his crowning glory. liverpool have definitely improved on rogers, it's a definite upgrade if they get him in and should be commended for biting the bullet and sacking rogers for him but i don't see why it's being met with so many worried posts.
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