Klopp Confirmed Liverpool Manager

[montpelier]

he'll drop Mignolet & buy someone who isnt Lovren ...then it'll be Kagawa going in, ...winning loads of Titles & a couple of Big Ears, ...then MadWinger will be giving it large on RAWK

this is going to be horrific

 

[Šjor Bepo]

i really hope he doesnt go there

 

[Xaviesta]

Feck me, his star has dropped quickly on here.

Amazing what being linked with Liverpool does.

 

[Revan]

are people honestly that worried? he seems a good a manger who has had success at one team. there's nothing to say he can emulate that or will even be given the funds/time/structure to emulate it.

Yes, if they get Klopp, I would be really worried. At the contrary, if they get Ancelotti I don't see them becoming a force.

not to mention it's only fecking liverpool, it'd take a fecking wizard to turn the £300m spent by rogers into much more than a squad of also rans. they have problems all over the pitch. they are pretty much where we were two years ago, some decent players, a lot of deadwood and no clear direction. they don't the luxury of a feck tonne of cash to sort themselves out though.

I don't think that their team is that shit. Sturridge can perfectly play the Lewandovski role, Firminho is around the same quality as Kagawa and can play the exact same role, while Coutinho can be their Gotze. They need someone on right wing, but Blaczkekovski - or whatever he is spelled - wasn't a world beater either. A hard working donkey (see James Milner) can do well that role.

Their defense and midfield isn't great, but I think that with the right coaching they can definitely get fourth this season, and then improve it.

arsenal, chelsea and city both have better squads and just as good a mangers, if not arguably better. yes, under klopp they'll more than likely be more of a challenge than under rogers but come the feck on, he's not a miracle worker, he is just a manger of a team that it was fashionable to like as they were massive underdogs in their league and no one had any reason to hate them.

I would say that only Mourinho would be a better manager than Klopp in this league, and even him is going in a lot of trouble. Wenger is so last century and while Pellegrini has a fantastic team, he isn't half the manager that Klopp is. I also don't think that our squad isn't significantly better than Liverpool's (it is better but not with a very big difference) and would take Klopp over LVG every day of the week.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Yes, if they get Klopp, I would be really worried. At the contrary, if they get Ancelotti I don't see them becoming a force.



I don't think that their team is that shit. Sturridge can perfectly play the Lewandovski role, Firminho is around the same quality as Kagawa and can play the exact same role, while Coutinho can be their Gotze. They need someone on right wing, but Blaczkekovski - or whatever he is spelled - wasn't a world beater either. A hard working donkey (see James Milner) can do well that role.

Their defense and midfield isn't great, but I think that with the right coaching they can definitely get fourth this season, and then improve it.



I would say that only Mourinho would be a better manager than Klopp in this league, and even him is going in a lot of trouble. Wenger is so last century and while Pellegrini has a fantastic team, he isn't half the manager that Klopp is. I also don't think that our squad isn't significantly better than Liverpool's (it is better but not with a very big difference) and would take Klopp over LVG every day of the week.

No way are any of those players close to the standard Lewa, Kagawa, and Gotze were for Dortmund's best 2-3 years. You're also forgetting that Dortmund had the likes of Hummels, Gundogan, Reus, Bender etc. too. basically a far superior squad to what Liverpool currently have in every single aspect. Klopp needs to completely rebuild that team to get them to the standard of his Dortmund side.

 

[Pyroblazer]

I am not really worried, but yeah of course I don't want to see him at Pool. He is a very likeable manager and Pool are not and of course he is a better manager than Rodgers and will improve them. Ancelotti would be more worrying though imo. I heard about Mazzari, that sounds like a good idea scousers, or try to steal Monk or Koeman

 

[prarek]

Im on the fence on this one. I think he's a class manager but he will not have a fantastic German youth academy or local resource to draw from. He will have more money to spend but they cannot guarantee champions league football and top players will always prefer to play in Europe. Liverpool will continue to struggle to attract the elite level talents but can still acquire very good players that could become elite and then leave for a bigger club.

 

[Balu]

No way are any of those players close to the standard Lewa, Kagawa, and Gotze were for Dortmund's best 2-3 years. You're also forgetting that Dortmund had the likes of Hummels, Gundogan, Reus, Bender etc. too. basically a far superior squad to what Liverpool currently have in every single aspect. Klopp needs to completely rebuild that team to get them to the standard of his Dortmund side.

The first title winning team looks quite ordinary on paper:

 

[The Man Himself]

Mourinho, no. But Klopp is obviously of a higher profile than present day wenger and pellegrini.

While his profile has got higher than Wenger in last few years(and I too will prefer Klopp to Wenger at United right now given a choice between them only, like most others), Wenger remains a very good manager and his downfall has been down to his rigidity in buying right or lack of it in Arsenal's pain area. As both a coach and manager he is still pretty good. I mean nobody at end of 2004 could foresee Wenger winning just 2 FA cups in next 11 years so nobody knows what future holds for Klopp too while fighting teams with big money but as far as manager qualities are concerned, Wenger is v. good just like Klopp is. Given Arsenal work or can work on bigger budget, the higher current profile Klopp is not a differentiating factor imo.

Pellegrini, yeah. He is decent manager imo, not special and Klopp is better but Pellegrini works with such a talent pool and money power, it doesn't matter much unless you have a team which can stay close to his and are efficient enough to take advantage when he falters, like Chelsea did last season and Liverpool nearly did year before.

 

[Revan]

No way are any of those players close to the standard Lewa, Kagawa, and Gotze were for Dortmund's best 2-3 years. You're also forgetting that Dortmund had the likes of Hummels, Gundogan, Reus, Bender etc. too. basically a far superior squad to what Liverpool currently have in every single aspect. Klopp needs to completely rebuild that team to get them to the standard of his Dortmund side.

Of course. I was saying that they can definitely get the fourth place this season though. Making this Liverpool team as good as that BVB team will take time, but then, it isn' that he made that BVB team within a year. Liverpool actually give their managers enough time, so with the right support I can see him making a very good strong team.

I still hope that these are all false news and they'll get Garry Monk instead.

About the individual players, I really don't think that there is a big difference between Kagawa and Firminho, and there isn't a big difference between Coutinho and a 19-20 years old Gotze. Lewa (especially in the last 2 years) was on an another level to Sturridge, but then Sturridge is a very good player too (as long as he can stay fit). I think that he can make a Dortmund-lite this season and then improve on it.

 

[DiceRoller]

He's an excellent manager but it seems even some of the good ones can take time to adapt to the PL. And that is at clubs with better inherited players and a more flourished recent history.

The reality is that Klopp would be joining a club with mid-level players which has spent a substantial sum on transfers in Rodgers' time. How much investment is he going to get and how long is it going to be before he turns the club around?

Can Liverpool compete financially and can they attract the kind of player Utd/City/Chelsea would want but ahead of them? I don't see it personally.

The reason I'm not too worried about Klopp at Pool is that it's not going to be issues with his capabilities, it's going to be all the other factors that will stifle him. Most notably how shiit some of that squad is.

 

[Kag]

It will take more than Jurgen Klopp to fix things at Liverpool.

This would be a romantic but ultimately foolish move to make given his potential alternatives a few months down the line.

 

[Enigma_87]

Mourinho, no. But Klopp is obviously of a higher profile than present day wenger and pellegrini.

You do realize Wnger is light years ahead of Klopp in terms of achievements do you?

How do you measure higher profile nowadays? Would it be the same in 2006 when Fergie didn't win the title 3 years in a row?

Hasn't Klopp reputation dipped a bit having Dortmund in relegation zone for half a season only to end 7th and failing to replace the players that he lost to bigger clubs. IMO his work in replacing Lewandowski, Gotze, Kagawa, etc the ones that left was poor and he brought in a lot of average players (something that will be appreciated at Pool for sure)

 

[rimaldo]

klopp at chelsea or man city with guaranteed time and resources would be a scary prospect. i just don't see it the same as at liverpool. it'll take a hell of a lot more than it took at dortmund to get liverpool winning titles and getting to the latter stages of the cl. at city or chelsea he'd be more a case of putting in the final piece of the jigsaw rather than just flipping the lid of the box so you can actually see the picture of what it is supposed to be before you begin (which is definite progress, rogers would still be in the toy shop, telling the cashier how fantastic he is at jigsaws and how much he's looking forward to working with it.)

rogers had three years with one second placed finish, that's probably the maximum klopp will get too without any success. i think they're just too far behind now and they'd rely on others falling backwards, not just their own progress. you can't consistently piss away all your money and then expect and overnight improvement.

 

[Massive Spanner]

The first title winning team looks quite ordinary on paper:

I could be wrong but wasn't the Bundesliga a lot weaker back then?

 

[Revan]

You do realize Wnger is light years ahead of Klopp in terms of achievements do you?

How do you measure higher profile nowadays? Would it be the same in 2006 when Fergie didn't win the title 3 years in a row?

Hasn't Klopp reputation dipped a bit having Dortmund in relegation zone for half a season only to end 7th and failing to replace the players that he lost to bigger clubs. IMO his work in replacing Lewandowski, Gotze, Kagawa, etc the ones that left was poor and he brought in a lot of average players (something that will be appreciated at Pool for sure)

Except that he isn't. 4 league titles for Wenger, compared to 2 for Klopp. Both of them reaching a single UCL final and losing it. Wenger has a lot more domestic cups, but he has also been a manager for more than twice as long as Klopp. If we look at them only in the last 10 years or so, then Klopp easily wins in comparison.

 

[Revan]

I could be wrong but wasn't the Bundesliga a lot weaker back then?

Indeed it was. Bayern was very shit in Van Gaal's second season there.

The team that won the Bundesliga the following season had only three changes though: Gundogan for Sahin, Kagawa for Groskreutz and Lewandovski for Ramos. That year Bayern was very strong, reaching the final of UCL when they should have won. Then the next season (when BVB reached the final of UCL), it was the exact same team bar Reus replacing Kagawa.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

klopp at chelsea or man city with guaranteed time and resources would be a scary prospect. i just don't see it the same as at liverpool. it'll take a hell of a lot more than it took at dortmund to get liverpool winning titles and getting to the latter stages of the cl. at city or chelsea he'd be more a case of putting in the final piece of the jigsaw rather than just flipping the lid of the box so you can actually see the picture of what it is supposed to be before you begin (which is definite progress, rogers would still be in the toy shop, telling the cashier how fantastic he is at jigsaws and how much he's looking forward to working with it.)

rogers had three years with one second placed finish, that's probably the maximum klopp will get too without any success. i think they're just too far behind now and they'd rely on others falling backwards, not just their own progress. you can't consistently piss away all your money and then expect and overnight improvement.

If he wins them a trophy like the FA cup. League Cup or Europa then it'll buy him more time. Rodgers completely blew his chances of that last season by losing so tepidly to Villa in the semi. He would have stood a chance had Liverpool got to Wembley and faced Arsenal but that I feel and the start this season did for him.

Klopp won't win the PL soon but a resurgence in form and a UCL place should ensure he doesn't get sacked soon

 

[Jerch]

The team in 11/12 wasn't a bit shit, it played well and reached the CL final. Dortmund set a new points record in the Bundesliga, they were outstanding. They finished on more points than we did last season. We were a mess in Dortmund's first title winning season, but definitely not when Dortmund won the double and beat us 5-2 in the cup final.

Fair enough. Was always thinking that Bayern totally capitulated at the end of the season but was a suprised to see that they won last 3. Still it could go other way if they would win against Dortmund but it didn't happened.

 

[Balu]

I could be wrong but wasn't the Bundesliga a lot weaker back then?

Overall yes. The league was already on the rise but the midtable and smaller teams were nowhere near the standard they're now. But he ran over van Gaal's Bayern side and beat Heynckes' Leverkusen team with Vidal, Kroos, Lars Bender in midfield. That Leverkusen side didn't win anything and lost manager and key players before they could become great, but was probably still slightly better than Wolfsburg, Leverkusen or Schalke are today.

 

[The Taurean]

klopp at chelsea or man city with guaranteed time and resources would be a scary prospect. i just don't see it the same as at liverpool. it'll take a hell of a lot more than it took at dortmund to get liverpool winning titles and getting to the latter stages of the cl. at city or chelsea he'd be more a case of putting in the final piece of the jigsaw rather than just flipping the lid of the box so you can actually see the picture of what it is supposed to be before you begin (which is definite progress, rogers would still be in the toy shop, telling the cashier how fantastic he is at jigsaws and how much he's looking forward to working with it.

rogers had three years with one second placed finish, that's probably the maximum klopp will get too without any success. i think they're just too far behind now and they'd rely on others falling backwards, not just their own progress. you can't consistently piss away all your money and then expect and overnight improvement.

What he can though is attract some players, specially from Germany who he should be well aware of if not the rest of Europe. His qualifications are far superior to Rodgers. I do hope he doesn't got there.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Liverpool just gave it a silly name, no idea why they felt the need to do that.

It's what they do. It could have been far worse, actually. "Ye olde transfer guild", for instance - I'm sure a fair percentage of their fan base would've loved that.

 

[SteveJ]

"Very Very Cutting-edge Elite Purchasing Syndicate".

 

[prath92]

Except that he isn't. 4 league titles for Wenger, compared to 2 for Klopp. Both of them reaching a single UCL final and losing it. Wenger has a lot more domestic cups, but he has also been a manager for more than twice as long as Klopp. If we look at them only in the last 10 years or so, then Klopp easily wins in comparison.

To be honest that's unfair. It's like taking only the last 5 years for comparing guardiola and SAF and concluding guardiola is the better manager.

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

Klopp needs to completely rebuild that team to get them to the standard of his Dortmund side.

Yes. But the worrying thing is he will actually be able to attract the kind of players to do a rebuild. If you are a good player and have Klopp trying to convince you rather than Fraudgers you are more likely to listen, even if it means not playing in the UCL for a season.

One can only hope Liverpool feck this up in their special way of fecking things up.

 

[Revan]

To be honest that's unfair. It's like taking only the last 5 years for comparing guardiola and SAF and concluding guardiola is the better manager.

Pep has a significantly better team than SAF though. And 10 years is a more acceptable sample than 5 years. And in SAF's last 5 years he still won a lot, while in Arsen's last 10 years he won 2 FA Cups.

I am not saying that Klopp has had a better career than Wenger. Just that he has been better in the last 10 years or so.

 

[Balu]

Pep has a significantly better team than SAF though. And 10 years is a more acceptable sample than 5 years. And in SAF's last 5 years he still won a lot, while in Arsen's last 10 years he won 2 FA Cups.

I am not saying that Klopp has had a better career than Wenger. Just that he has been better in the last 10 years or so.

Wenger won 2 FA Cups in the last 2 years, what did Klopp win in the last 2 years?

 

[Piratesoup]

Pep has a significantly better team than SAF though. And 10 years is a more acceptable sample than 5 years. And in SAF's last 5 years he still won a lot, while in Arsen's last 10 years he won 2 FA Cups.

I am not saying that Klopp has had a better career than Wenger. Just that he has been better in the last 10 years or so.

All these trophy haul comparisons don't say anything about Klopp's qualities, though. A lot of people on here seem to post on the premise that Klopp took over the 2nd strongest club in Germany, turned into the best for 2 years and went back to silver medal again, when in reality Dortmund was really down in the dumps before he took the wheel.

 

[RobinLFC]

I don't think people on here are actually scared by or worried about the possibility that Klopp will be our new manager and consequently we'd be an immediate threat to United, it's more likely the fact that the opportunity exists that we're going to be a top four contender again within the foreseeable future, and that's a legitimate concern if you ask me. You'd be a fool not to be worried when a rival club signs a top manager who has already proven he can take a team out of a slump and make them a title contender if he's given the time (IF we get Klopp of course, which I'm still not all convinced about so I won't get carried away by all the current rumours out there).

 

[Nanook]

He's an excellent manager but it seems even some of the good ones can take time to adapt to the PL. And that is at clubs with better inherited players and a more flourished recent history.

The reality is that Klopp would be joining a club with mid-level players which has spent a substantial sum on transfers in Rodgers' time. How much investment is he going to get and how long is it going to be before he turns the club around?

Can Liverpool compete financially and can they attract the kind of player Utd/City/Chelsea would want but ahead of them? I don't see it personally.

The reason I'm not too worried about Klopp at Pool is that it's not going to be issues with his capabilities, it's going to be all the other factors that will stifle him. Most notably how shiit some of that squad is.

If Chelsea, United or City want a player then Liverpool won't be able to compete, but Liverpool do have a lot of money to spend. Juve could win the CL every year and Liverpool would still be richer without even qualifying for it. They can offer wages teams like Dortmund and Atletico can't, players like Coutinho and Sturridge didn't exactly cost a fortune.

 

[Crossie]

It's quite entertaining to read through the posts ranging from "Pool squad is shite, Klopp won't reach anything there no matter what" to the big worries "Klopp could turn them into serious title contenders of all sorts".
If (big IF) Klopp actually becomes Pool's new manager (he won't be interested to do all the negotiation stuff), it would be fun to freeze posts here so they can't be edited, and do some reality checks over the course of time to see who's an expert and who miserably failed in predicting Jürgen's impact.

 

[rednev]

"Very Very Cutting-edge Elite Purchasing Syndicate".

Society for the Handling of Inward Transfers

 

[JPRouve]

Klopp is a very good coach, Liverpool have a good roster but Klopp will flee the country when Guardiola signs for us.

 

[The Man Himself]

It's quite entertaining to read through the posts ranging from "Pool squad is shite, Klopp won't reach anything there no matter what" to the big worries "Klopp could turn them into serious title contenders of all sorts".
If (big IF) Klopp actually becomes Pool's new manager (he won't be interested to do all the negotiation stuff), it would be fun to freeze posts here so they can't be edited, and do some reality checks over the course of time to see who's an expert and who miserably failed in predicting Jürgen's impact.

I doubt it is about being expert. It is what people think and ya some degree of rationalization by some in hope he doesn't do well. Somethings are facts though starting from obvious like Klopp is far better manager than Rodgers and it will be a very good choice by Liverpool. But is it also true Liverpool job will be harder than Dortmund one because of competition.

About prediction being right, weird things happen. Like Liverpool in 2013-14 nearly winning title which I doubt anybody thought in summer of 2013. So who actually knows how it will pan out. If he joins, unless we see how he goes about it at least for couple of months and how current squad adapts, till then it is just guesswork.

 

[Crossie]

All these trophy haul comparisons don't say anything about Klopp's qualities, though. A lot of people on here seem to post on the premise that Klopp took over the 2nd strongest club in Germany, turned into the best for 2 years and went back to silver medal again, when in reality Dortmund was really down in the dumps before he took the wheel.

Down and escaped bankruptcy just a few years ago, with a hefty debt left that didn't allow buying expensive players. I recall that most Dortmund fans were shocked that we spilled about €4m to Mainz 05 for a 19 year old rather no-name CB with weird hair do named Neven Subotic - who paired with Mats Hummels became Dortmund's CB Kinderriegel .

 

[Empire]

Why does he even want to go there? He will have inferior resources to the other top four teams so if that's what he wanted he should have stayed at Dortmund.

Liverpool are a selling club now.

He should wait for a vacancy at one of the other top four and in the mean time go to Italy and manage a team that can challenge for the championship over there with a clause in his contract that if a champions league club come in for him in the summer window he can leave for no compensation.

Liverpool sacked Rodgers 3 points off fourth after 8 games, I wouldn't trust their board.

 

[Red_toad]

Why not? He accomplished exactly that with Dortmund. When he picked them up, they were in shambles and he then went on to the Champions League Final with them. I think Klopp is a big football fan and the history of Liverpool suits him and his pathos. If they meet his conditions, I think he'll be a good influence. Certainly for their press conferences, if nothing else.

The more Bayern seem to extend Guardiola's contract, the more likely it looks to me for Klopp to make this move.

I don't think Liverpool have the financial clout to be genuine challengers, no matter who manages them. Our league is a whole different kettle of fish, so just as he did well at Dortmund, it really doesn't mean he'll excell here. He needs to attract the right players & retain them. At Dortmund there isn't the competition for players as there is in the EPL.

 

[MDFC Manager]

Why does he even want to go there? He will have inferior resources to the other top four teams so if that's what he wanted he should have stayed at Dortmund.

Liverpool are a selling club now.

He should wait for a vacancy at one of the other top four and in the mean time go to Italy and manage a team that can challenge for the championship over there with a clause in his contract that if a champions league club come in for him in the summer window he can leave for no compensation.

Liverpool sacked Rodgers 3 points off fourth after 8 games, I wouldn't trust their board.

None of the top clubs will touch him after last season when there are more proven options available.

 

[FCBarca]

Klopp to Liverpool, if he can get the terms he wishes would be a good move - particularly for the Premier League in general

 

[Tommy]

Klopp, a new RCB as Skrtel is getting on, a keeper, and a pair of midfielders (we need our own Schneiderlin & Herrera to go with Hendo) ... If we can get that done by the start of the 16/17 season, I'll be very confident indeed about a top 4 push. I still hold the view that a lot of our squad are made to look worse by playing under Rodgers, but any decent manager, be it Klopp, Ancelotti, De Boer, or whoever else will do better with it after a few months than BR did after 3 years.

Hopefully if Klopp does come in, he'll get us into the Europa League spots, out of this years EL group, and into the latter parts of at least one club competition.