Klopp took BvB when they were in 13th position. Come on Klopp take Sunderland. Now thats a challenge 
Klopp Confirmed Liverpool Manager
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1) If Klopp takes over at Liverpool, does that end his chances of ever managing at Utd?
2) I wonder if SAF has asked Klopp to give him a ring before he takes on another job…
2) I wonder if SAF has asked Klopp to give him a ring before he takes on another job…
Now that I've taken a closer look he does look like he should be standing outside of a school in a trenchcoat holding a handful of balloons - staying at least 100 yards from the main entrance as per the court ruling, of course.
Obviously if he doesn't sign up with Liverpool I'll probably re-evaluate my feelings and go back to thinking that he's just some cool guy again.
Wasn't expecting Rodgers to go last night but not surprised it's happened over this international break. With Klopp and Ancelotti out of a job, if we fail to get either and end up with Advocaat then I'm going to give up on football. Exciting times ahead I feel for LFC. Either manager would improve us (if nothing else they'll tighten yup the defence) and they know how to get a team winning.
Both have European pedigree as well, clearly Ancelotti more than Klopp but either are capable of leading us to the Europa league and qualifying for the Champions League that way
Both have European pedigree as well, clearly Ancelotti more than Klopp but either are capable of leading us to the Europa league and qualifying for the Champions League that way
I think you're on the right track, MrP. I previously didn't care about his appearance in any way. But now feel that the preparation of a proportionate response to the possibility of his recruitment by LFC is the sensible way forward. Hopefully though, FSG have got the transfer committee overseeing the appointment of the new man.
I hope you get Carlo.
I always hoped that Kloppo will come to us as soon as LvG is gone. Doesn`t seem to happen.
He will immediately turn Liverpool into a top 4 contender. I just hope Chelsea keeps struggling for a while.
He will immediately turn Liverpool into a top 4 contender. I just hope Chelsea keeps struggling for a while.
I hope we get him.
Their top 4 contending is entirely related to keeping Sturridge fit, atm.
Not the manager you want to have when you're rebuilding, absolutely great if you already have a good side.
We've pretty much rebuilt now. We need perhaps a couple more signings in the next year. We need to play a different type of football. Ancelotti is our man.
Your assertion is that as long as the structure introduced by FSG is in place, they will never become successful.
I pointed out that the structure that Liverpool has in place, is in fact, commonly adopted on the continent, sometimes even by top clubs such as Bayer Munchen.
In the EPL, Southampton seems to have something similar and they are doing quite well. I do not know well enough about other club's structure.
This suggest that it is not the structure that is the problem. Impose the structure on another manager more capable than, say, Roy Hodgson, Racist Kenny or Brentan Rodgers and they every chance to be successful.
The fact is that the old-school style of the gaffer having a complete say in everything is almost over. Sir Alex might be the only person that has the skills, the knowledge and the sheer will to handle that and be successful at it. And even then you have duds like Bebe.
It's not a case of a manager "extracting anything out of the current system". It's a case of what the system has delivered so far - and there's not much room for argument there. Why would any competent manager need a "transfer committee"? Doesn't he have his own staff of coaches and scouts? Who else's input would he need to evaluate potential signings?
That would be a bad idea though. Building a team that is all about possession and than bringing in the next manager that is all about quick transitions? Dortmund often had passing success rates in the 60% range with him as their manager. He is like the polar opposite to LvG.
We need to make sure we get consistency with our managers. If we are set on a more possession focused style from now on we need to bring in someone who focuses on such a style and not change it with every new manager we bring in.
The manager has to work with the players the system delivers - and therein lies the problem. Can you really say the system has delivered the players any manager would need? £300m spent and almost nothing to show for it. Some system!
Klopp could build a dynasty at Liverpool... He'll get a lot of time, patience and money considering how proven he is and how much of a coup they'll see getting him in is.
Brendan Rodgers had mentioned, on multiple occasions, that he has the final say on any transfers and he works very closely with the transfer committee. That would be his failing.
Even if he doesn't have full control as he claims, then all it would testify is the incompetence of the members on the committee, and not necessary the structure itself.
The success of other clubs with similar structure doesn't seems to bear out your argument that Liverpool will never succeed with the structure in place. Give them to a manger who is used to such structure, say, Klopp, and the outcome might well be very different.
Because he doesn't want to spend any time with the finances of the club or the contract/transfer negotiations and those things obviously have a huge influence in the decision? It takes a lot of time to deal with all that, time that might be better spent elsewhere. It's pretty common in Germany, Italy and Spain. Don't see anything wrong with it. It's also a protection for the club, when the manager is willing to take risks with expensive signings that could cause financial problems longterm.
I doubt if the manager is so far away from the so called system so as to have no say in who should be bought.
Anyways, if manager has absolutely no say, I doubt if Klopp would ever sign
RAWK will be over the moon if he comes.
Anagram time.
klopp scouse YAWN
So cue sloppy wank
Anagram time.
klopp scouse YAWN
So cue sloppy wank
So if say he were to come in now finish 6th and next season start off like he did in his last season at Dortmund where they were around or in the relegation zone come mid season or thereabouts he won't get the sack ?
LVG's logical successor in terms of style of football would be Guardiola.
Klopp almost plays the opposite of slow posession based football.
De Boer to Liverpool and Klopp to Ajax.
That's my out-of-left field prediction.
Sensible prediction is try for Klopp and Ancelotti. Fail. Poach Koeman other upped midtable coach from Germany/Italy/wherever
That's my out-of-left field prediction.
Sensible prediction is try for Klopp and Ancelotti. Fail. Poach Koeman other upped midtable coach from Germany/Italy/wherever
If that was the case then yeah probably, but then if he's got Liverpool in the relegation zone half way through next season he's probably not as a good a manager as we all thought! Certainly not suited to the English game anyway.
Harry Redknapp on Transfer Committees :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...erpool-he-is-a-victim-of-modern-football.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...erpool-he-is-a-victim-of-modern-football.html
I think the system is not flawed per se. It was definitely flawed to implement with rodgers though, which should have been evident from the start with his refusal to work with a DoF. It was aggravated by the strong discrepancy between Rodgers' ideas of good signings (Allen, Dempsey, Williams, Lovren, Milner, Benteke) and the comittee's (Sturridge, Sakho, Can, Markovic, Firmino - and of course Balotelli). Frankly, Rodgers' transfer policy was frankly a bit smalltime British - It was never going to be a good fit with a committee.
This was further aggravated by the clear divide that was growing in the squad between his own boys and the comittee's boys - The latter group has always had to work so much harder to get into his good graces and that in itself contributed a fair bit to players in that group being washouts and writeoffs.
Get in a manager whose view of players isn't as far removed from the committee and who doesn't have the same tendency to sort between his own boys and the others (a managerial disease especially prevalent in British football) and the system is not necessarily problematic.
It was a definite stopping block for Rodgers, no doubt. Looking at his idea of transfer targets though, I am kinda glad it was there.
Big Sam Allardyce is out of a job at the moment...
You are really scraping the barrels if you seriously think that a wheeling dealing manager's opinion is a strong authority to support your flawed opinion.
You have yet to respond to any of the points that I've pointed out:
- Such system is common amongst continental teams (whether a committee, or a DOF)
- Some of these teams, including Bayern Munchen, has huge success with this system.
- Liverpool's failure doesn't necessary mean a failure of the system, but rather a lack of competence of all members of the committee and the manager. Co-relation does not imply causation.
- Getting a manager who is used to working with such a system might actually turn out well.
Logged-on in the hope that they would've appointed someone else, or Klopp himself would've ruled-in himself out this morning, but no, reality continues to feck us over. Infuriating that Liverpool are somehow going to end-up with him
Besides the Liverpool rivalry, where is the logic in wanting him to go to Arsenal, City or Chelsea over Liverpool? If anything, those jobs will be easier and more of guaranteed success, as those clubs don't need as much work as Liverpool.
Apart from that i believe that no manager in the world could bring Liverpool into top 4 this season if Chelsea starts to win anytime soon, i do think that Klopp's style of football kinda needs some time until the players got it. I don't think he's a manager for the short-term success.
He would be silly to make a decision now, as the City, Chelsea or maybe even the United job could be up for grabs at the end of the season
You are really scraping the barrels if you seriously think that a wheeling dealing manager's opinion is a strong authority to support your flawed opinion.
You have yet to respond to any of the points that I've pointed out:
- Such system is common amongst continental teams (whether a committee, or a DOF)
- Some of these teams, including Bayern Munchen, has huge success with this system.
- Liverpool's failure doesn't necessary mean a failure of the system, but rather a lack of competence of all members of the committee and the manager. Co-relation does not imply causation.
- Getting a manager who is used to working with such a system might actually turn out well.
How does it work? Did Rodgers have a say on who the club bought or did the committee go for the players?
From what I understand it went something like this:
Positions to strengthen and invest in were identified. Primarily the manager's job.
A preliminary shortlist was made, from stats, scouting reports and the manager's recommendations.
This list then gets vetted with statistical analysis
this shortlist gets vetted to two canditates
Manager has final say from there
So sure, Rodgers had final say on Ballotelli. But allegedly, his choices were Mario or Eto'o. He wanted Dempsey over Sturridge - with the net result being Sturridge arriving six months later as the committee's valuation was quite a bit from Fulham's (and tottenham's) for Dempsey and Rodgers stalling on Sturridge to get Dempsey in.
I am sure there were other considerations like wages, fees, sell-on value, manager having a minimum number of automatic picks for a position, etc. But that's the gist of it.
See, that's the problem from my point of view. Who is actually on the committee? Are we talking about suits or people who have experience in the scouting world?
You're wrong. Klopp took over Mainz in a relegation battle, won 6 out of his first 7 games and kept us up. He also immediately improved Dortmund in his first season, almost taking them into Europe after a lower midtable finish with largely the same squad.
Here's your reply then :You are really scraping the barrels if you seriously think that a wheeling dealing manager's opinion is a strong authority to support your flawed opinion.
You have yet to respond to any of the points that I've pointed out:
- Such system is common amongst continental teams (whether a committee, or a DOF)
- Some of these teams, including Bayern Munchen, has huge success with this system.
- Liverpool's failure doesn't necessary mean a failure of the system, but rather a lack of competence of all members of the committee and the manager. Co-relation does not imply causation.
- Getting a manager who is used to working with such a system might actually turn out well.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...eed-Brendan-Rodgers-Liverpool-FC-manager.html
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