Klaas-Jan Huntelaar

I haven't watched him play much but why doesn't anybody here rate him.

His goals scoring record is amazing with 0.7 goals per match.

Even at Real he did get 8 goals in 20 games.
 
Cold_Boy said:
I haven't watched him play much but why doesn't anybody here rate him.

His goals scoring record is amazing with 0.7 goals per match.

Even at Real he did get 8 goals in 20 games.
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3 questions :

1) Are there not players out there who have better goalscoring records?

2) Why do you imagine Real Madrid seem to want rid of him?

3) How do you rate Inzaghi?
 
I rate him. I'd just massively prefer we go for Benzema. If we can't then Huntelaar would be a decent bargain alternative.

The biggest problem is that he looks too much like Carrick.
 
Ekeke said:
3 questions :

1) Are there not players out there who have better goalscoring records?

2) Why do you imagine Real Madrid seem to want rid of him?

3) How do you rate Inzaghi?
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Why does Real wanna get rid of Robben/Sneijder/Huntelaar/v d Vaart en v Nistelrooy?? Don't tell me cuz they not good enough !!! They all play for the Dutch national team ( 2e fifa ranking) !!!
 
Ekeke said:
1) Are there not players out there who have better goalscoring records?
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probably, but at a similar age/price/availability? no.

Ekeke said:
2) Why do you imagine Real Madrid seem to want rid of him?
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because he isnt "superstar" enough for them. this is madrid we are talking about ffs, only a big ego and lots of shirt sales will do for them.

Ekeke said:
3) How do you rate Inzaghi?
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myself, havent seen enough of him to really make a judgement.


ive said it before and ill say it again - i think Huntelaar is what we need. forget all the fancy first touches and "classy bits", we need to come back down to the basics and ask where the hell our goals are going to come from next season. The only player we have with any kind of goalscoring instincts has been Ronaldo, and he is primarily a winger. Even if Berbatov and Rooney up their tallies this season (which i expect them to), we badly need a reliable, proven finisher to put the ball into the back of the net.
As well as that, Huntelaar provides aerial ability and fantastic off-the-ball movement which will combine perfectly with the vision of Rooney/Berbatov and the likes.

Huntelaar isnt the biggest name, nor is he a complete player, but he is a totally different type of striker to the ones we currently have, and has a lot of attributes that frankly we really lack in our team. Considering the situation at Real, he is clearly available for a good price, and imo would not only be a bargain, but turn into an absolute goalscoring machine for us.

With Rooney/Berbatov/Huntelaar we have 3 quality players who can be rotated easily - Tevez got plenty of games last season, if Huntelaar had the same amount i reckon he would be content with that. We have different players for different occassions, rather than such a one-dimensional attack consisting of two deep-playing playmaker forwards, one world class winger and then Park on the left.
 
Ekeke said:
3 questions :

1) Are there not players out there who have better goalscoring records?
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Not really
Ekeke said:
2) Why do you imagine Real Madrid seem to want rid of him?
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Why did madrid get rid of Mata, Makelele, Eto'o

Ekeke said:
3) How do you rate Inzaghi?
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His accomplishments are greater than those of a certain Wayne Rooney
(doesn't mean he is a better player than rooney, but his record is unquestionable)
 
Sonny1972 said:
Why does Real wanna get rid of Robben/Sneijder/Huntelaar/v d Vaart en v Nistelrooy?? Don't tell me cuz they not good enough !!! They all play for the Dutch national team ( 2e fifa ranking) !!!
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Robben - greedy, selfish, injured a lot

Sneijder - injured a lot, inconsistant this season

Huntelaar - not what Madrid expect from a Real Madrid player. And by that I mean he's not a "complete player" for his position. He's just a pure finisher. Thats his one outstanding quality, everything else is so-so and some things are below par. He's also said he's not happy warming the bench. He's not good enough to stay with them as a starter so he'll be off.

VDV - He was bought because they couldnt get Ronaldo. He hasnt really settled at Madrid despite a decent goal scoring start. He's been vocal about being a bit unhappy.

Van Nistelrooy - His injury this season and his age. With Raul around there was only going to be one winner and they arent going to keep playing 2 old players. When you get old you need lots of pace around you and having 2 players is probably 1 too many if they are up front. So he'll likely be gone, though he'd be just as good an option as Huntelaar off the bench.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
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Incorrect.

Remember Makelele? REAL get rid of quality too. Not just dead wood.
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For ridiculous fees. Like the British record for Robinho and for £16 million I believe for Makelele a 30 year old. Back then £10 million was a lot for a 30 year old. Real also get rid of young players they dont feel have made the grade and players on loan.

Very highly. He has been a top notch forward for ages. At all levels of football.
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Fair enough, then I see why you rate Huntelaar so highly. I personally dont like his style or Huntelaar's. You can score goals whilst doing other things for the team as well. But there's no denying either player is a big goal threat and if you build your team around them they'll do well, individually, for you.
 
Ekeke said:
Fair enough, then I see why you rate Huntelaar so highly. I personally dont like his style or Huntelaar's. You can score goals whilst doing other things for the team as well. But there's no denying either player is a big goal threat and if you build your team around them they'll do well, individually, for you.
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and this is the thing - i dont think we would need to build our team around Huntelaar for him to do extremely well for us, all the other parts of the jigsaw are already in place, so to speak.
we have a fantastic #10 who likes playing off the main striker, and we tend to play with 2 attacking wingers who can put in a lot of crosses (when we actually have a target to aim for aerially, i am sure we would see more crossing and less cutting inside from the wingers).

i dont think we would need to adapt our team or playstyle at all for Huntelaar, i wish i could say the same for Berbatov (based on last seasons evidence) or Ronaldo when he started "being good".


i also think you (and brwned, and others who share the view) are wrong when you talk about how one dimensional Huntelaar is. as i said in another thread; just how many dimensions can a striker have?. He is good aerially, good and holding the ball up, his movement/anticipation and finishing are imo probably the best in the world right now. he doesnt have the "playmaker" qualities that Rooney and Berbatov have, and he isnt pacey (nor is he particularly slow, mind you)...what more can a striker really bring to a team anyway?
i agree he is by no means a complete player, but his strengths match with our current weaknesses, and his weaknesses our strengths. he brings something different to the team and more options are always good.
 
We crossed the ball in the past few seasons a lot less than we used to. So we would have to adjust our style. Its easier to do that now Ronaldo is leaving though I have to admit.

But we would be adjusting to a more limited style. A style where the roof isnt set very high. Because playing 442 and loading the ball in towards a finisher from the wings is a very predictable and easy system to deal with most of the time. And if we get two great wingers and a great number 10 creating for Huntelaar there will come a point in a few seasons where we'll say

"We cant actually improve our team without taking Huntelaar himself out and replacing him with someone who scores goals but does more than just that. Someone who doesnt have 90 minutes where he's absolutely invisible every second match, even if he scores a well taken goal the next game."

To get the most of Huntelaar we would adjust back to a side a lot like we played with Ruud here. If we were to play both Huntelaar and Berbatov though, we'd need feck loads of pace in the rest of the side, a player making runs from midfield most likely too and a lot of grafters to make up for the fact that Huntelaar and Berbatov dont put in the most work and can often have "days off".

I think a team like Everton would be better suited bringing him in and building their side around him. And maybe in 3 or 4 seasons if he's dramatically improved his overall game in aspects like hold up play and creating for others, maybe then he'd be a much better option for a top club like ours.
 
I think you underestimate Huntelaar's consistency. It is rare for an out-and-out striker to simply go invisible, the problem and reasoning is normally more to do with the opponent dominating possession, or the strikers team not creating many chances, and so forth.
With the quality of playmakers we have in this side, it has shown over the past few seasons how good we are at creating chances - not a match goes by where we dont get into dangerous positions and create opportunities, and with the anticipation and lethal finishing that Huntelaar offers, he would be able to get on the end of those opportunities.

If we are in a situation like against Barcelona, where we simply cannot get into a match and are trying to chase the game to little effect, then it is as simple as not playing Huntelaar - hell go for a 4-5-1 with Rooney up top by himself and use an extra midfielder.

The point im making is that having a Huntelaar in the squad does not necessitate us having to play a standard 4-4-2 in every single game.
Similarly, playing with a target striker does not force a team into playing wide and crossing the ball in - why should we? We have done just fine at creating opportunities without a target striker thus far, there is no need to stop doing what we are already doing, we simply also have the option of posing a real threat from crosses - something we have lacked, which is most likely the reason that - as you said - we dont cross the ball much anymore.

Huntelaar does not have to play every single game, and the games he does play do not have to be standard, rigid 4-4-2 formations. Even in those cases where we do opt to play a 4-4-2, the simple fact of having Huntelaar on the field does not force us to play route 1 football or just keep trying to cross it. With the vision of Rooney/Berbatov and the anticipation of Huntelaar we could very easily play through the middle to create our chances, especially with the likes of Nani on the wing who loves to cut inside.

Finally, whilst Huntelaar is by no means known for his creative abilities, and you arent likely to see him splitting a defence open with a beautifully placed ball, lets not exaggerate here - a target striker will always have a certain degree of proficiency at linkup play with his wingers/#10, and Huntelaar is no exception. Do not underestimate his all-round play, and under the guidance of SAF I have no doubt whatsoever he could easily improve on that area of his game given a couple of seasons, and become a more rounded, complete striker too.


edit: ooh, 1000th post.
 
Seen him loads of times with my Ajax supporting season-ticket holding friend. He's decent at best and will be a good squad player at a big club like ours at best.

Half of their own supporters didn't even rate him that high when he was scoring goals for them in our muppet league which has long descended to tragic levels.

I found it very strange on here that people seemed to rate Babel as an amazing talent when the scousers signed him, because noone was talking like that about him here in Holland... and we've all seen he's a nothing player. The same with De Ridder, people were talking about him on here as yet another 'exotic' top talent... while everyone here long knew he's rubbish at that time... it also took ages before your lot caught on that VDV was actually not that good anymore...
I also found it strange nobody really cared about van Persie on here at the time he was about to go to Arsenal, when he's the one with real talent (just a question of attitude for him..)...

Now it's Huntelaar's turn to 'shine' on the caf. Oh no.
 
Kevin said:
Seen him loads of times with my Ajax supporting season-ticket holding friend. He's decent at best and will be a good squad player at a big club like ours at best.

Half of their own supporters didn't even rate him that high when he was scoring goals for them in our muppet league which has long descended to tragic levels.

I found it very strange on here that people seemed to rate Babel as an amazing talent when the scousers signed him, because noone was talking like that about him here in Holland... and we've all seen he's a nothing player. The same with De Ridder, people were talking about him on here as yet another 'exotic' top talent... while everyone here long knew he's rubbish at that time... it also took ages before your lot caught on that VDV was actually not that good anymore...
I also found it strange nobody really cared about van Persie on here at the time he was about to go to Arsenal, when he's the one with real talent (just a question of attitude for him..)...

Now it's Huntelaar's turn to 'shine' on the caf. Oh no.
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:lol::lol:. You are one positive Dutchman Kev gotta hand it you.

I agree with your assessment of the above. He may have impressive stats but Huntelaar is not a top class player. There is a reason why PSV let him go early in his career.
 
Kevin said:
Seen him loads of times with my Ajax supporting season-ticket holding friend. He's decent at best and will be a good squad player at a big club like ours at best.

Half of their own supporters didn't even rate him that high when he was scoring goals for them in our muppet league which has long descended to tragic levels.

I found it very strange on here that people seemed to rate Babel as an amazing talent when the scousers signed him, because noone was talking like that about him here in Holland... and we've all seen he's a nothing player. The same with De Ridder, people were talking about him on here as yet another 'exotic' top talent... while everyone here long knew he's rubbish at that time... it also took ages before your lot caught on that VDV was actually not that good anymore...
I also found it strange nobody really cared about van Persie on here at the time he was about to go to Arsenal, when he's the one with real talent (just a question of attitude for him..)...

Now it's Huntelaar's turn to 'shine' on the caf. Oh no.
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Good post, seems you have a fair grasp of the players in Holland, and not skewed but hype.

Can you tell me who are the real up and coming ot current talents in the Dutch league? Are there any players there that we should be interested in?
 
Walrus said:
i also think you (and brwned, and others who share the view) are wrong when you talk about how one dimensional Huntelaar is. as i said in another thread; just how many dimensions can a striker have?. He is good aerially, good and holding the ball up, his movement/anticipation and finishing are imo probably the best in the world right now. he doesnt have the "playmaker" qualities that Rooney and Berbatov have, and he isnt pacey (nor is he particularly slow, mind you)...what more can a striker really bring to a team anyway?
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He doesn't stretch the defence in behind with his pace, he doesn't create play from deep, he just finishes.

He's one dimensional.

Walrus said:
With the quality of playmakers we have in this side, it has shown over the past few seasons how good we are at creating chances - not a match goes by where we dont get into dangerous positions and create opportunities, and with the anticipation and lethal finishing that Huntelaar offers, he would be able to get on the end of those opportunities.
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Tell me, what playmakers do we have in this side?

Berbatov and Rooney, that's it, and only one can play alongside Huntelaar at one time. Possibly Carrick at a stretch.

We need creativity just as much as we need a goalscorer.
 
not meaning any offense to Kevin, but interpreting one dutch guys opinion on dutch players as law is like listening to a liverpool fans opinion on english players.

lets keep things in context - there have been big successes and there have been flops. you can bring up Kuyt - yet whilst we mock him so much, he is an equivalent of our own park, only with far better goalscoring, he is a decent top 4 player, is that really anything to mock?
Babel we havent seen the best of yet in my opinion (and thankfully with old Rafa in charge, he will probably be offloaded before we get a chance to do so).

At some point, you have to try the "untested" players out and take a gamble. I think Huntelaar's record at club and country should have proven by now that whilst he is never going to be a Rooney or a Torres, he can cut it at the top level. If anything, the fact that he isnt quite at the top tier of talent with the £50m+ players will simply mean he is less opposed to doing his time on the bench, not to mention a far better transfer fee and lower probable wage demands.

Either way, I just hope KJH does move to the EPL this summer so that myself and everyone else can witness him first hand, and I am confident that I would be proven right on his ability - although i do hope he signs for a club that at least attacks enough to make his talents worthwhile, not a stoke or (probably) birmingham.


Brwned said:
He doesn't stretch the defence in behind with his pace, he doesn't create play from deep, he just finishes.

He's one dimensional.
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very few out-and-out strikers will create play from deep, that is generally the #10s role and given our current squad setup i would rather a striker who doesnt try to drop deep and be creative, but instead leads the line. Whilst Huntelaar doesnt have the pace to stretch a defence, he has the movement to do so, and simply by nature of playing higher up the pitch he will drag the defenders back, creating more space for Rooney and our midfield to make runs into. Good movement, used in the right way, can be just as effective as raw pace.
 
It's all well and good saying that, but I've rarely seen Huntelaar do that.

Only seen him in around 15 full games, but still...
 
Brwned said:
It's all well and good saying that, but I've rarely seen Huntelaar do that.

Only seen him in around 15 full games, but still...
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its not just about Huntelaar individually but in the context of the team he plays in. In our style of play, Huntelaars movement can be exploited to create space for the likes of Rooney. Madrid dont have a traditional #10 player, meaning that it is less useful to make that space in the first place.
 
Ekeke said:
Incorrect.
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Prove it. :D

Ekeke said:
enough, then I see why you rate Huntelaar so highly. I personally dont like his style or Huntelaar's. You can score goals whilst doing other things for the team as well. But there's no denying either player is a big goal threat and if you build your team around them they'll do well, individually, for you.
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TBF you don't need to build a team around them. You just need them types in a squad for that option of a goal out of nothing/one chance one goal in certain games or off a bench. Inzaghi for example played that role to perfection for both Italy and Milan for years. I feel if we ever got the Hunter to OT, he'd do the same for us. While allowing Berbatov and Rooney some time to form a proper forward peartenrship
 
Now that Tevez has become the summers second judas,Huntelaar may become a possibilty
 
I am pretty sure we are not going to sign any madrid players. If we wanted any of them, why wouldn't we have asked for them to be added in the ronaldo deal.
 
United 4 Life said:
I am pretty sure we are not going to sign any madrid players. If we wanted any of them, why wouldn't we have asked for them to be added in the ronaldo deal.
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for one thing, straight cash is pretty much always going to be preferable to some kind of claus.

additionally, from the sounds of it, the Tevez situation was only wrapped up yesterday/today, and Tevez staying would eliminate the need for another striker.
 
Reports in Spain are saying Madrid have accepted an offer from Spurs for him Sneijder.

Can see both doing well.
 
Stuttgart offer Madrid €20m for Huntelaar.

They received €30m from Bayern for Gómez earlier this transfer window. So, that's not bad if Madrid and Huntelaar agree.

But... Is Stuttgart exactly what Huntelaar wants? I don't think so.
 
Maciek said:
Stuttgart offer Madrid €20m for Huntelaar.

They received €30m from Bayern for Gómez earlier this transfer window. So, that's not bad if Madrid and Huntelaar agree.

But... Is Stuttgart exactly what Huntelaar wants? I don't think so.
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The season before the world cup? Well, arent Stuttgart in the champions league? Wouldnt he play every week?

Sounds like exactly what he's most likely looking for.
 
Ekeke said:
The season before the world cup? Well, arent Stuttgart in the champions league? Wouldnt he play every week?

Sounds like exactly what he's most likely looking for.
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No I think he meant league wise.. I think Huntelaar may want to either play in Italy, Spain or England..

I obviously do not see any reason why Real would let him go though.. However I think he wants to leave more than they want to sell..
 
I thought you could only play for 2 clubs in a 12 month period (liverpool had to get special dispensation to sign Mascherano).

If KJH signs for anyone, they would be his third club in twelve months, yet I have heard no mention of this.

Was that rule done away with?
 
Mitch Conor said:
I thought you could only play for 2 clubs in a 12 month period (liverpool had to get special dispensation to sign Mascherano).

If KJH signs for anyone, they would be his third club in twelve months, yet I have heard no mention of this.
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No. Two clubs in a season.

That's why Keane could join Tottenham.

Huntelaar played for Ajax and Madrid last season and now he can leave 'Galacticos'.
 
Maciek said:
No. Two clubs in a season.

That's why Keane could join Tottenham.

Huntelaar played for Ajax and Madrid last season and now he can leave 'Galacticos'.
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Then why did Liverpool need special dispensation to sign Mascherano - he had only played for West Ham that season - he had been playing for Corinthians i suppose, but i thought that was considered to be a different season.
 
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