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PedroMendez said:
I dont know what van gaal is planning. If Khedira really doesnt fit into his system, he shouldnt buy him. I dont mind that at all.
Here is what confuses me: Van gaal said, that the current formation is just a temporary solution until he can play a better system (most likely 433). Where are the changes in the squad that allow him to do so? If he already knows that the current players dont fit his idea of football, he should be able to articulate the shortcomings. Its simple logic. Shaw and Rojo are (merely) exact replacements for players that left. They didnt add any new tactical dimension to the squad. Adding another CM (herrera) was long overdue and happened before he started to work with the squad. Van gaal and Woody both knew that they have little time after the worldcup. Still nothing happened and now after losing the first game pressure is on. Van Gaal has/had the idea, that he could convert a couple of average players into world-beater on a different position, but thats just a pipe dream.
So back the Khedira. Van gaal and Woody missed the opportunity to make reasonable long term changes. They were just too laggard. Considering the situation in the market, Khedira is the one available top player, who is not completely overpriced. I know that Herrera is the flavour of the month, but I am not too sure that he is actually any better than Khedira. He might be, but its surely not clean cut. I take him over the likes of de Jong, blind or song any day of the week. If van Gaal decides against him, I am okay with that, but he better starts pulling a rabbit out of his head to justify this decision.
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This idea the current squad can play 352, is like saying a hybrid can compete in the grand prix
 
Sarni said:
Cleverley, Anderson, Fletcher and Fellaini. I don't think any of them would start at any other top 10 team.
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The scary thing is? smalling evans jones rafeal carrick valencia nani young kagwa mata welbeck hernandez I doubt could get into the top teams, our own janazaj supposed too be the next successful young star to break through, cannot get a game at united.

SalfordRed1960 said:
Ahhh, but those managers aren't on the caf, so they can't be that good. Seriously, what has he won, a CL and WC medal in the last 12 months. That's nothing. Obviously not good enough for our team.
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Wasnt it the same lot that said when robben and WS were on the market in 2009, we do not buy real madrid rejects, wonder what these 2 went onto achieve? funny thing is, we bought valencia obertan diouf and owen on a free transfer, but hey robben and WS are not good enough for united. That is united logic
 
Oneunited26 said:
Wasnt it the same lot that said when robben and WS were on the market in 2009, we do not buy real madrid rejects, wonder what these 2 went onto achieve?
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Yep, probably the same ones.

I would offer 60M to Real Madrid for both Di Maria and Khedira. I would then be happy. The defender can wait until January when LVG can truly assess how Rojo, Shaw,Rafael, Blackett, Evans, Smalling, Jones and Keane shape up. That is a lot of defenders.
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
Ahhh, but those managers aren't on the caf, so they can't be that good. Seriously, what has he won, a CL and WC medal in the last 12 months. That's nothing. Obviously not good enough for our team.
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I don't rate Khedira highly. He is kind of a headless chicken. Not too great defensively and attacking wise not the best option out there either. We need a CM who can actually provide steel to this midfield. Not one who will go AWOL on one of his runs and leaves our back 4 totally exposed.

Also, the point about winning a CL/World cup medal is lame. There are 11 players on the field. There are many players out there who will have a CL medal around their neck but are not as good as they are made out to be.
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
Yep, probably the same ones.

I would offer 60M to Real Madrid for both Di Maria and Khedira. I would then be happy. The defender can wait until January when LVG can truly assess how Rojo, Shaw,Rafael, Blackett, Evans, Smalling, Jones and Keane shape up. That is a lot of defenders.
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I edited some of my comment

well funny thing is, we bought valencia obertan diouf and got owen on a free transfer, but hey robben and WS are not good enough for united. That is united logic, probs the main reason why barca took us too school in 2011
 
NK86 said:
I don't rate Khedira highly. He is kind of a headless chicken. Not too great defensively and attacking wise not the best option out there either. We need a CM who can actually provide steel to this midfield. Not one who will go AWOL on one of his runs and leaves our back 4 totally exposed.

Also, the point about winning a CL/World cup medal is lame. There are 11 players on the field. There are many players out there who will have a CL medal around their neck but are not as good as they are made out to be.
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He is still better than cleverley fletcher anderson and fellaini, and would easily fit in well with herrera
 
SalfordRed1960 said:
Ahhh, but those managers aren't on the caf, so they can't be that good. Seriously, what has he won, a CL and WC medal in the last 12 months. That's nothing. Obviously not good enough for our team.
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It's baffling, isn't it? Especially when you consider that our midfield for the upcoming game will consist of Fletcher and Cleverley. But yeah, we can do better than Khedira ...
 
TooBias said:
It's baffling, isn't it? Especially when you consider that our midfield for the upcoming game will consist of Fletcher and Cleverley. But yeah, we can do better than Khedira ...
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and with ashley young and possibly valencia rampaging down the right and left, that is going to give sunderland sleepless nights
 
Khedira's apparently in Germany (Leipzig) watching his brother play which fits with a story a couple of days ago saying he'd been given time off to think about his future.

Very few rumours in the Spanish press about bidders, It's been suggested he already has a pre-contract deal with someone for next summer when he's a free agent. Arsenal has been the main club linked to that story.
 
jojojo said:
Khedira's apparently in Germany (Leipzig) watching his brother play which fits with a story a couple of days ago saying he'd been given time off to think about his future.

Very few rumours in the Spanish press about bidders, It's been suggested he already has a pre-contract deal with someone for next summer when he's a free agent. Arsenal has been the main club linked to that story.
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In financial terms, it makes sense for Khedira to sign a pre-contract. With no transfer fee, he could command a hefty salary.
 
Dwazza Van Hernandez said:
We had a youth keeper once...Zieler? Otherwise, yeah I think Fergie had something against Germans, probably goes back to WWII.
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Massive Spanner said:
Didn't Fergie's family fight against the Germans or something? His grandparents I believe.

He said in his autobiography that it was a really bizarre family holiday.
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Thanks guys. You can understand such feelings. But still too harsh if true.
 
Apparently Van Gaal said we are light on midfielders today. The 2 Real Madrid boys on the fringe of leaving would solve so many problems. If Woodward really meant the stuff he was spouting then signing these 2 is the minimum he can do....
 
Sean_RedDevil said:

I can't see that unless Van Gaal leaves us in the next days

Van Gaal isn't a fan of him (He prefered a young Alaba over Khedira in 2010) and Khedira hasn't forgotten that
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Yep, I don't see Khedira as a LvG player.

Regarding 2010, I don't know if it was LvG's or Bayern board's decision (I think the board's), but when both Özil and Khedira were moving to Real ofc Bayern were asked why they are not interested in buying them. The Bayern board replied kind of that they were not good enough for Bayern!
 
united_99 said:
Yep, I don't see Khedira as a LvG player.

Regarding 2010, I don't know if it was LvG's or Bayern board's decision (I think the board's), but when both Özil and Khedira were moving to Real ofc Bayern were asked why they are not interested in buying them. The Bayern board replied kind of that they were not good enough for Bayern!
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100% Van Gaal's according to the Bayern Munich board
 
Who cares what happended at Bayern, different situation now, like LVGs perspective on a player couldn't change...
 
Khedira fits really well in the German national team and does well for them but I'm not convinced of him as a player at club level. He's likely to command a really high fee and wages and I don't think he'd be worth it.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Khedira fits really well in the German national team and does well for them but I'm not convinced of him as a player at club level. He's likely to command a really high fee and wages and I don't think he'd be worth it.
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I reckon he will be sold for less than 20m Euros (He only has a year left on his contract)
 
I'm not against Khedira coming in but it's funny how so many kept saying Vidal couldn't play with Herrera yet Khedira is far less tactically disciplined than Vidal and is not a DM or deep lying playmaker/#6......yes, I know what number he wears at Real..
 
Devil may care said:
I'm not against Khedira coming in but it's funny how so many kept saying Vidal couldn't play with Herrera yet Khedira is far less tactically disciplined than Vidal and is not a DM or deep lying playmaker/#6......yes, I know what number he wears at Real..
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I think the worry was just that Vidal would be a bit wasted. No doubt he could do it, just he is really good going forward and getting him to be a defensive mid would be a waste. Khedira can be a good defensive mid, he's not an anchor man or someone that covers the space because like you say he's out of position a lot, but his work rate and tackling and muscle would help. Wouldn't be a dream signing or whatever, but a very good signing for the time being all things considered.
 
Unathletic and isn't really great anything. Decent as a box to box but tactically retarded. As crazy as it sounds, he wouldn't improve our midfield. I'm not worried though, LVG wouldn't buy him.
 
Very good player, superior to most of our current midfielders r, available for cheap and can feature in the starting XI straight away. I see no reason not to get him quite frankly, I don't know what happened in the past with him and LvG but if Cesc could play for Mourinho then Khedira could play for LvG.
 
Hamadovich86 said:
Very good player, superior to most of our current midfielders r, available for cheap and can feature in the starting XI straight away. I see no reason not to get him quite frankly, I don't know what happened in the past with him and LvG but if Cesc could play for Mourinho then Khedira could play for LvG.
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His wage demands will probably turn us off.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
100% Van Gaal's according to the Bayern Munich board
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Well do be fair to him, he did have quite a few options for midfield already. I don't see him as a van gaal player either for what it's worth, but I don't think that the 2010 situation would have anything to do with it. He put alaba to left back anyways so it's not like he preferred him.
 
So, wee've moved from that famous "Not United Quality aka NUQ" to "Not an LVG type player" - can someone tell me what's/whose an LVG player? It's funny here at times.
 
Maybe we really are going for a double bid.

£60m for the pair would be a good fee for both sides.

I wouldn't want to spend a lot on a player with Khedria's skillset, but £10m or so is quite a steal.
 
Khedira would be a good fit for us.

Big bodied, comfortable on the ball when pressed, quality passing and from what I've seen he can take a decent shot when it's his turn to crack one..not that that's what we need him to do. If he's cheap, go for it. Easily an upgrade on all our central mids apart from Herrera
 
Beggars cant be choosers but I really dont see him as an ideal type of partner for Herrera.
 
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