As I understand it Keylor Navas was the one who caused this deal to collapse because we wanted to mess around with his contract. Further confirmation that he at the very least was/is having second thoughts about the move. Surely we won't buy him if he doesn't actually want to be here.
Keylor Navas
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I don't get how Glaston can be a part of a redcafe while Peter story is banned
Bar the calamitous five minutes on Sunday our keeper, for the first time in two seasons, doesn't look as though he is going to be ridiculously over worked so I'd be more concerned that we were getting a keeper with high levels of concentration and the ability to pull off match winning saves. Boxes that Navas appears to tick.
Maybe he doesn't want to leave Madrid. Same with Pedro and we were all happy about the possibility of Pedro coming. (Despite the fact it didn't materialize).
Pete was just a genuine wummer. Poor old Glaston seems to genuinely believe the stuff he comes out with.
That's Madrid spin.
Keylor Navas does not need to be registered with the Premier League until this evening. AS are reporting that his medical in Manchester was planned for this morning and flights had already been booked. However, due to the De Gea debacle Navas has not got on the aeroplane.
This is Madrid's fault. Marca have blamed everyone except Florentino but the fact is United sent the papers for De Gea's transfer, Madrid simply didn't forward them to the LFP on time.
You have to have some sympathy for Glaston. In Glastonworld, he is a knowledgeable man, whereas, in here, he has endured a tough battle for credibility. He is still trying very hard, but gets laughed at. Best ignored. :-)
He's obviously a decent keeper, but would he have taken to the PL straight away? Maybe not.
So can someone actually confirm whether we can still sign Navas?
Is the deal essentially done, with the exception that Real Madrid can't registsr their new player? And can Real Madrid just pull the plug if so?
Would be absolutely hilarious if we end up with both till January. Wouldn't want to miss out on that fee though.
Is the deal essentially done, with the exception that Real Madrid can't registsr their new player? And can Real Madrid just pull the plug if so?
Would be absolutely hilarious if we end up with both till January. Wouldn't want to miss out on that fee though.
Conceivably we can still sign Navas, as we have until 6pm today to register the player. However, Madrid will not allow his registration to be transferred to us if the De Gea deal is blocked by LFP.
I have never seen him play, so cant judge his ability. Looking at the stats, he didnt convince me. For a player who is close to 29 and having only one full season in top division and 53 la liga games in past 4 years, I don't think he is the sort of De Gea replacement we should get. Moreover He is short for a keeper and not sure how he will deal with crosses in premier league.
I doubt many would consider him a De Gea replacement, more an improvement on Romero to tide us over.
Whoever else we care to list as being a better replacement is almost surely "ungettable" now. So it's pretty much a choice between an unhappy Keylor, or even unhappier DDG. Take your pick.
Lloris is still available FWIW
Prying him away from Spurs any time during the transfer window would've been very painful. Doing so on the last day would be near impossible.
It seems that Navas wasn't that keen to join us
AS saying its Florentino's fault. Not crying over Keylor staying or De Gea not coming.
What's the matter Glaston, are we just supposed to lie down and let clubs like Madrid sign our players now?
I thought you'd be impressed with us fecking them over (if that is indeed the case) given your own stance on Spurs and Bale/Berbatov/Kane down the years.
Your concern for Real and De Gea is rather funny in that context. Anyone would think you're just a bitter little troll who changes his position depending on how it suits that particular day. Surely not?
I have no concern for de Gea nor RM, and nor did my post express any such concerns. Instead my post was about the consequences for United of the deal collapsing - consequences that your post entirely fails to address.
For someone who has 'no concern', you do a great impression of someone who does.
'No concern' as in I don't care about the success or failure of RM nor the frustrations of de Gea in this deal collapsing. Instead, and as I've already said, my post was about the consequences for United of the deal collapsing.
It's just funny seeing you take the side of the 'big bully club', and absolving them of blame for the situation.
If a Kane to United deal got vetoed in the last minute of the transfer window because of a paperwork error, and there was even the slightest hint that it might've been in some way orchestrated by Levy, don't deny you wouldn't be finding it the funniest thing ever.
I don't rate Navas. Now we can do an extensive scout for our next number one without someone being forced on us.
Yet again you make false claims about what I've posted. Where in my post did I "take the side of" RM or absolve them of blame? My only reference to RM was to say that, whatever the truth of matter, they will spin to de Gea that United are to blame for the deal collapsing and that de Gea is naturally far more likely to believe their version than United's version.
If you think this assessment is incorrect then you'd best explain why instead of making false claims about what I've said and seeking to personalise the issue.
As for your Kane/Levy hypothetical, yes it would be amusing in the moment, but the aftermath would not be ... for the same reasons that I've given re. de Gea.
At least Navas can see for what kind of club he is playing.
When the entire British and Spanish press, including their own mouth piece, seems to lay the blame at their feet, then I'm not sure just how gullible De Gea would have to be to absolve them of blame. I'd like to give him more credit than that personally.
In any case, looks like we keep a World Class keeper for another year who in all likelihood will still want to play and stay in form in an international tournament year. One thing he doesn't seem to lack is professionalism.
United can be fairly relaxed about it I reckon. Real come out looking like chumps for not trying to close the deal sooner.
This is not actually true. For example, Marca in Spain have claimed that the documents which United sent over to Real were protected by a password, meaning that Madrid bosses could not complete their half of the deal.
It's naïve to think that de Gea is more likely to believe United's version of events than that of RMs. The lack of trust on both sides was already evident in the decision not to play him in games so far, and whatever trust remained is bound to have been further undermined by this transfer shambles, so I doubt that de Ge will be playing in many games between here and January 1st.
So the upshot is that he will leave soon anyway, for even less money than was offered this time around, won't play in many games (if any), and you're currently left with a bloated roster of GKs - four is it? - most of whom will be unhappy. If United are "fairly relaxed" about all this then good luck to you.
I sometimes worry if you're all there in the head Glaston.
yeah we are fairly relaxed... lloris and kane in January as they wont be cup tied and any realistic prospect of champions leage football next season will be a distant spurs dream
So what did I say that's crazy and why?
Why do you post on a United forum? Take your United bashing to RAWK and Bluemoon and you'll be lauded. Unless you get off when people laugh at you.
Or alternatively we'll have one of the best goalkeepers in the world for one more season, at the expense of a few irrelevant £m in the bank. A goalkeeper who is far superior than our current number 2 and also much better than the replacement that we had lined up. A goalkeeper who probably has more to prove now than he's had to prove in several years.
Our squad is stronger this morning than it looked last night; but I wouldn't expect you to see it that way. However I suspect when Modric's deal to Chelsea collapsed in the Summer of 2011 you were hugely concerned with being stuck with an unhappy player who won't play many games (if any)?
Nothing wrong with what Glaston is saying here, is no one allowed to debate things round here any more without getting wound up about it?
Let Real spin whatever shit they want, the fact lies in that they had the whole bloody window to make a fecking bid and instead left it till the last day to make the first bid.
De Gea can leave for all he wants, he'll still need to perform if he wants to goes to the Euros next summer.
Too much drama going on here about this situation and you love enveloping yourself in it. Please get more of a life.
De Gea will be back playing within the month and will leave next summer. There really isn't much to discuss.
We will see Glaston. I'd imagine De Gea will be more than a bit pissed off that Madrid didn't push this through sooner, if they really wanted him.
If he stays, he will play. LvG said he would play if he's here past September 1st, he just didn't want to play him until the outcome of the transfer was decided, which is fair enough.
De Gea has got two choices now - knuckle down, stay in form, keep developing his game and make sure he's ready for the Euros. Meanwhile he'll still be playing for one of the biggest clubs in world football and in Europe's premier football competition.
Or he can sulk in the reserves, refusing to play, losing form and game rhythm, and miss out on a full season of development when he's still in his formative years.
It's fairly obvious what he should choose to do.
Anyway, not really something you should be concerning yourself with, especially with Spurs in such a mess and failing to close what should be fairly straight-forward deals for West Brom players.
But we weren't going to let De Gea go without making absolutely certain that we'll get Navas in return, that's obvious, so we had to agree to everything with him first.
Which still makes it Madrid's fault for leaving it so late, mind you.
Surely it is Madrid who have "shafted him so royally". United have stood firm on his value. Madrid have only submitted their first bid for him on deadline day.
Not letting him leave for way below his value is not "shafting" him. He's looked out for his best interests, as he has every right to do. United have looked out for their best interests. Madrid have fannied about for the last 3 months by not bidding.
They were looking to save a million or two and probably expected him to put more pressure on United, that's how they usually get their targets, by tapping them up and turning them against their clubs. De Gea not handing in a transfer request ruined that plan.
If I were De Gea, I'd be royally pissed because it's clear that they simply didn't want him as much as he wanted them.
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