Keylor Navas
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Take a four month holiday son... just tell them something about your head not being in the right place and not understanding the philosophy.
In January we will bid five million and they will snap our hand off and you can come and play in the latter stages of the CL with a big payrise and a nice signing on fee.
you know what perhaps its all a clever way to save themselves 15 million and keep navas?
If that was even true, Madrid would have mentioned that in their hamfisted face-saving public statement where they blame United for everything. But they didn't. They do not mention not being able to complete their side of the deal.
You actually believe that
It's not a question of what I believe about this transfer farce. It's a question as to what de Gea will believe, whether it's this or some other United-blaming explanation ... such as the one put forward in the last few minutes in RM's official statement.
And de Gea is far more likely to believe what RM say as compared to what United say, for very obvious reasons: he's the one who wanted to go and United are the ones who didn't want him to go.
Come on, you cannot know how De Gea feels - no one can but himself and people close to him. A lot of players have been denied moves in the past and went on to perform for their clubs, some of them even at your club.
We probably don't care much what he thinks either. We agreed to sell him and it's not our fault that Real Madrid wouldn't submit a bid until final day of the transfer window. They can have him next year for free but there's very little we could have done when they had left it so late.
We actually wanted to let him go, for a fair price that Real would only offer at the last minute. It's not like we forced him to stay, I imagine we'd rather have him out of the club and have a goalkeeper who (mildly, after days worth of consideration) wants to be here plus money.
And Real Madrid are the ones who clearly didn't want him enough.
Apparently not in the views of some posters. For such folk, you either toe the party line or else one of three things occurs:
1) The points raised are ignored in favour of poster-on-poster attacks
2) Invented/false claims are made about what you are supposed to have said.
3) Attempts are made to dismiss all non-party lines as mere wind-ups, sometimes accompanied by calls for a banning.
De Gea's not stupid, he'll know a major factor in his failed move is Real's lack of urgency to close the deal which left no time for the required paperwork when Keylor Navas became part of the deal.
It doesn't really matter though. Luis Suarez no doubt blamed Liverpool for not letting him leave for Arsenal in summer 2013. They failed to honour a clause he believed to be in his contract, which seems a much greater betrayal than tardiness with paperwork. He still went on to nearly win them the league single-handedly.
So have we sent Navas paperwork back?
The opening point of Madrid's statement about the whole thing is already ridiculous: we opened the negotiations late!
Well what stopped them from opening them earlier? I'm sure De Gea didn't expect United to actively push for his transfer.
Of course I can't know how de Gea views this farce, but then neither can you. I can however give an opinion, based on reasoning, which is what I've done.
If you think that de Gea will now proceed to be often picked to play and perform well, then fair enough, that's your view. Time will tell if you are right.
Lloris seems be doing fine, even though he wants to play for a bigger club.
How is arguing that some of the Spanish press have blamed United and mentioned details of their accusations (which is true) 'United bashing'? How is pointing out that we are skewing the the relative likelihoods of De Gea believing one club over another (which again is true, people are forgetting De Gea is in Madrid right now and has been in contact with Real handlers over the past few days) 'United bashing'?
One of the best things about this forum is the diversity of opinion and lack of suffocating groupthink which you seem to be pining for. If you only want to hear your own opinions bounce back at you, go shout in a tiled bathroom and don't bring that shite to people here.
I think he won't play another game for us.
do you really believe that?
I've merely relayed what Marca have claimed. And now RM have put forward a different set of United-blaming reasons. I don't have any beliefs about where the truth sits. The only relevant question is what de Gea will believe and how he reacts.
The original point he was arguing against wasn't that he knew for sure what De Gea thought - it was people presuming he believed United's version events.
Marca would claim anything just to portray Madrid in a good light. Even ridiculous things like papers being password protected.
Even Madrid's version of events doesn't particularly put United in a bad light.
Their main point of contention seems to be that we were slower in agreeing terms with Keylor Navas than they were at agreeing terms with De Gea.
Now I wonder why that might be...
Lloris will be chosen to play in every league game when fit and the club will have full confidence in his commitment to perform to the best of his ability. Spot the difference.
The same might happen here once the window is closes. As we all now, LvG said he will review the situation today. We shall see.
It's not just this post.
Fair enough, but maybe take a stand on one of those bad posts instead of jumping on him for something (relatively) reasonable?
I personally never see it either. He's a small bit caustic in how he relates to other posters, but his main problem seems to be running afoul of United 'orthodoxy'.
It's a case of the guy who cried wolf. Even his good posts get ignored because of the sheer negativity he has towards all things United.
To be fair we all hate Glaston. I have no idea why he's still here when petestorey has been considered too much of a WUM to be kept when he was actually a decent poster.
Glaston continuing to show just how little concern he has over this, I see.
Glaston isn't necessarily wrong in his opinion this time around, he just can't help himself but to come off as confrontational and abrasive. I don't think he necessarily means to be a prick. I just think he tries to take the piss whenever an opportunity presents itself.
Yeah, he just can't help it, he's a natural.
No point getting annoyed at Glaston. He's blatantly just on here taking out his frustrations at another failed Tottenham transfer window.
He's just trolling trying to frame what is a reasonably positive and amusing news story for our club into the worst case "we're all doomed" scenario.
I guess it makes him feel better or something... seeing as he's spent most of his Bank Holiday weekend doing that.
He's just trolling trying to frame what is a reasonably positive and amusing news story for our club into the worst case "we're all doomed" scenario.
I guess it makes him feel better or something... seeing as he's spent most of his Bank Holiday weekend doing that.
So in the last few posts alone, apparently I'm a prick and apparently I'm hated, yet I'm the one who is also supposedly "confrontational and abrasive". Go figure ... and then look up the word "hypocrisy".
But the truth is that I don't commit the abusive, personalised attacks so beloved of some on here, nor do I ever fabricate what someone else is supposed to have said. And the further truth is that some on here aren't really interested in talking about football in any reasoned way (or even about football at all in a few instances), and some simply don't like the party line being challenged and so resort endlessly to one of the three options outlined in post #687.
Yes, I engage in some banter here and there, which you translate as "taking the piss", even tho' there's no need to be so precious about things. But actually I admire RedCafe for allowing some opposition fans to air their views and engage in discussion. It's just a pity that a few Caftards seem only to want such posters if they're either quasi-United cheerleaders or keep their heads down and never really challenge the United orthodoxy. Too bad for them that I'm neither.
The most vital player in your first XI desperately wants out, can't be trusted to play for you, has now been likely further enraged by a bungled transfer deal and will leave at the next chance for much less money, but you summarise all this as "reasonably positive".
And I'm the one who is trying to frame things? Bloody hell, talk about denial.
I didn't call you a prick, Glaston. I said that you weren't necessarily trying to be one. Meaning, I didn't think you were being a prick. I did say that you try to take the piss when the opportunity presents itself but, that isn't me calling you a complete asshole and a terrible contributor. I happen to think that you're neither of those things and, I don't think there's anything wrong with giving a little hell every now and again in a lighthearted manner.
I do think that sometimes you don't necessarily frame your jabs in a way that reads to some as being in a playful manner, though. Also, much as your response there illustrates, I tend to think that you sometimes react to the responses of your musing in far too negative and confrontational a way. Instead of trying to defuse hurt feelings, you respond in a confrontation manner that tends to kick the tension up a further notch, instead of bringing the mood back down.
I, for one, have no particular issue with the substance of anything you posted in this thread in the last several hours. To the contrary, I'm very concerned that we've mucked this whole affair up to the detriment of our club. I don't necessarily find offense to you bringing up that same feeling. I just think that sometimes when you've set the bait and someone's taken the hook that you come back with knives out instead of just making nice and feigning compassion.
Keeping the best keeper in the world when we don't have the financial need to sell is reasonably positive in my view. I'm not saying 'OMG this is the greatest thing that's ever happened to us', I just think it's reasonably positive to keep hold of World Class players as long as possible, and we can be fairly relaxed about doing so.
We've already covered why holding onto a player, even if they wanted a transfer, isn't necessarily a bad thing. There are countless examples. In fact, the opposite scenario - of a player downing tools because they didn't get their transfer - is actually quite rare. Which is just as well for clubs like Spurs really, because if your top players downed tools every time they were denied a transfer to a CL club, then you'd be relegated. You choose to ignore those points and examples though, because you're trolling and not really interested in debate, because you're deflecting your misery at Spurs plight.
Where does he stand now? Anything new with him?
Navas? Still at Madrid I suppose. Will get some game time there this season.
his father doesn't seem to be impressed.
He's probably not very happy, is he? RM wanted to get rid on the last day to get another goalkeeper and throw him into the deal.
Good keeper and i would have been happy if he was the one to replace De Gea.
I feel for him a bit. Pushed out ruthlessly from Real to get De Gea, agreeing a deal here to stay there eventually. Must be weird going back, knowing that the club wanted you gone. At least he got the backing of the fans and the team for now.
I feel for him a bit. Pushed out ruthlessly from Real to get De Gea, agreeing a deal here to stay there eventually. Must be weird going back, knowing that the club wanted you gone. At least he got the backing of the fans and the team for now.
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