I think getting the money we did for Dave and bringing Navas in is the best bit of business we've done this window. I'm well happy with this, we killed two birds with one stone.
Keylor Navas
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It's not like he'd have to learn to be a goalkeeper again, different leagues have different demands. I'm sure he could learn to come and catch more instead of punch if we really wanted him to, it's not like that's an unlearnable trait for a 29 year old.
He'll do as a stopgap, see him as nothing more to be honest. Hope I'm wrong though.
I see Johnstone as our long term keeper.
Goalkeepers play at high level in their careers for much, much longer than outfield players.
He still has lots of time to adapt to the English game.
This is definitely a worry.
DDG wants to play for Madrid...not us.
Di Maria wanted to playf or Madrid...not us.
Now, Navas would rather player for Madrid...not us.
Anyway, our defence is pretty strong. Our problem this season has been that our attack is incredibly weak. Against Brugg we did well, but in the EPL we are toothless.
Total deal is worth £29.25m according to reports, so we don't know yet how much cash we got and how much RM have valued Navas at but I've a feeling there's no way we've got the better end of the deal!
I just don't want us to return to the GK limbo we had post Schmiechel where we cycled through about a dozen or so keepers before striking gold with VDS and DDG.
We got a world class goalkeeper and we sold a goalkeeper who wanted to leave in the last year of his contract. We were lucky to get anything for him. How much would Navas had cost us if we were desperate for a keeper but didn't have De Gea? Probably over £20m. De Gea was worth around £10m at most due to the state of the contract affair.
He's not just basing his opinion on the world cup.
Realistically he is short (relatively for a keeper) Things like commanding your box, catching instead of punching arent really things hes gonna learn in two months when it took de gea 2 years.
I think you're worrying about things for the sake of worrying. All goalkeepers who come from abroad have a bedding in period but it's not like they're unable to learn that the defence are expecting them to come for the ball and catch it. Shit, as long as this guy isn't David James he can learn to catch a ball and tell defenders to fecking move.
The comments on the Spanish version of Marca are lukewarm about the deal. People respect De Gea but don't see the logic in this signing beyond the fact Florentino wants it. Unlike us many Madrid fans don't see De Gea week in week out, so there's a degree of ambivalence towards the deal. I don't think they understand that De Gea is that much better than Navas. At the same time it speaks to how much they appreciate what they've seen of Navas.
Yeah, that was my next question. Is it driven by how highly they rate Navas or how they don't rate De Gea? Bit of both?
Some other examples from the Greece game: 1 & 2. It's not a strength but I wouldn't worry about it being a glaring weakness.
I disagree completely. The World Cup is exactly the kind of occasion that managers really go all out to expose the oppositions weaknesses. It's the same with any top tier cup competition - that's what these things are decided on. Tactics really come to the for then (which is a big part of the reason the QF's onwards were really drab affairs - they were all very carefully coached and structured). It's exactly the kind of thing that someone like van Gaal would highlight to his players and attack as much as possible.
I'm not saying it's not one of his weak points - it clearly is - but if it was a glaring weakness they at the very least would have piled the crosses in to test him. You're overselling it.
Did I hear right that he is to be paid 4 million euros per year by us? That's roughly what DDG was on, and we were prepared to offer him four times that.
When the dust settles on all the ins and outs, I wouldn't mind betting we have saved £30 million p/y + on the wage bill.
When the dust settles on all the ins and outs, I wouldn't mind betting we have saved £30 million p/y + on the wage bill.
If the Madrid fas are THAT upset about losing Navas and we're THAT upset about losing De Gea doesn't that bode well for both parties? It seems the only people happy here are going to be De Gea's girlfriend and Perez.
Hes basing it on one season and a tournament. He has played 50 games in 4 seasons. Not exactly alot to go by.
We got a keeper who doesn't want to play for us and we've sold a keeper who doesn't want to play for us!
Bit of both. Navas is a known quantity in La Liga, LFP keeper of the year 2013/14 etc. De Gea left as a kid and the only times they see him is when he plays for Spain, unless they are avid watchers of English football. De Gea has never really had a great game for Spain, usually plays when games are dead or with the second string. If you weren't a regular United watcher, and many Madrid fans aren't, you wouldn't realise how much better he is today than when he left Spain. Whereas there has always been a part of the Madrid support that wanted Navas to get a go, because of the rep he had when he joined Madrid. That was true even when Casillas was about. Navas has also just come off a pretty good performance at the weekend where the Madrid crowd were singing his name, so there's a bit of the devil we know for the devil we don't going on too.
Pissed off. He clearly didn't want a move to us. feck knows how he'll play.
I thought the plan was that if Real don't give us what we want, we'll be keeping De Gea for another year. Bottled it, didn't we!
I thought the plan was that if Real don't give us what we want, we'll be keeping De Gea for another year. Bottled it, didn't we!
Well Madrid gave us what we want + Navas.
He didn't want to move from Madrid I think.
Damn, that's a lot! Looks like Florentino keeps shooting himself in the foot.
Not all, but the majority will be. Still a crazy number.
They were all cheering his name last night too
Is this just because he saved a freakin penalty?
Do you the Atletico connection will affect DDG if he doesnt perform well? How was Figo treated when he went through bad stretches of form?
I think he is good and softens the blow, but is he really what we consider to be world class?
Have to say I'm pleased the Madrid fans have their doubts. Mainly because it means Navas is highly rated but also because De Gea might get the white hanky treatment and live to regret pissing off as soon as they came calling. I'm bitter like that.
Navas isnt world class..The levels that people will go to put a positive spin on everything..yesterday, the majority didnt know who Martial was, today he is undoubtedly one of the best youngsters in world football..Sometimes its normal top be cautious..
I agree. Hope De Gea fails badly.
Not sure, it comes as a bit of a surprise to me too. I mean, it's not like he's already a Madrid legend ffs.
Figo? Bad stretches of form?!
Hope Hoek teaches him how to catch the ball and hold shots.
I will point and laugh when he breaks down crying in the middle of the field. Or at a departure press conference, whatever. I'm also very bitter.
I certainly wont be cheering him on there..if he makes mistakes, they will most likely bring out the Atletico past..He said years ago that his dream was to return to them one day, certainly that was just him playing nice for the camera..
We gave him wonderful support though, and as United we can be proud of our fans..but he's dead to me now.
Not sure, it comes as a bit of a surprise to me too. I mean, it's not like he's already a Madrid legend ffs.
Figo? Bad stretches of form?!
..Bad games then..how did that go?18 million quid for De Gea plus Navas is annoying. How good is Navas? Can't say I've seen him play that much but surely we should be aiming a bit higher.
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