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GloryHunter07 said:
It really boggles the mind doesn't it. I would like to have been a fly on the wall during those discussions.
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Ed: "David, we just need your sayso to sign these 3 top-class players that we've been scouting for 2 or more years now. We've deals in place & they'll excel here.."

Moyes: "F*ck that. Never heard of them - neither has Jimmy or Steve, so they cant be good enough for this league. I've compiled a dossier of youtube links of world-class players we want here.. Get me Baines & Fellaini as a matter of importance above anyone else Ed.. Did you get those VIP tickets for The Proclaimers sorted too? I need that sorted before you work on transfers.. Me & Jimmy have been dying for this gig Ed.. hurry-up man.."
 
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Red Hand Devil said:
Ed: "David, we just need your sayso to sign these 3 top-class players that we've been scouting for 2 or more years now. We've deals in place & they'll excel here.."

Moyes: "F*ck that. Never heard of them - neither has Jimmy or Steve, so they cant be good enough for this league. I've compiled a dossier of youtube links of world-class players we want here.. Get me Baines & Fellaini as a matter of importance above anyone else Ed.. Did you get those VIP tickets for The Proclaimers sorted too? I need that sorted before you work on transfers.. Me & Jimmy have been dying for this gig Ed.. hurry-up man.."
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Managers would want their own men. I won't be surprised if Moyes did pulled the plug of 1-2 deals if he believed that there wont be money available for his men otherwise.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Ed: "David, we just need your sayso to sign these 3 top-class players that we've been scouting for 2 or more years now. We've deals in place & they'll excel here.."
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You can't seriously believe that?

Ed the transfer God :rolleyes:

The papers also ran similar stories about LVG not fancying Kros or Vidal too...i guess Ed could have finalised those deals too if the manager gave him the go ahead.
 
RuudTom83 said:
You can't seriously believe that?

Ed the transfer God :rolleyes:

The papers also ran similar stories about LVG not fancying Kros or Vidal too...i guess Ed could have finalised those deals too if the manager gave him the go ahead.
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Have you a short memory or what?

Shaw & Herrera were long-term club signings. Ed gave LvG a list & he approved both player signings - Van Gaal said that at his 1st presser..

The papers etc. were spot on with that one, but thats a drop in the ocean compared to all the other bits of shite they report.

I take everything with a pinch of salt when it comes to us being after a player..
 
RuudTom83 said:
You can't seriously believe that?

Ed the transfer God :rolleyes:

The papers also ran similar stories about LVG not fancying Kros or Vidal too...i guess Ed could have finalised those deals too if the manager gave him the go ahead.
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It's been widely reported since that Moyes could've had Garay, Strootman and Thiago if he wanted them, as they had been scouted by the club long term, but he supposedly said no.
 
@Red Hand Devil

You give credit for the Shaw/Herrera signings to Ed and LVG but maybe Moyes had a big say in those players too! He was pretty confident that new arrivals would arrive this summer before he was sacked.

But I find the idea that Moyes (and Moyes alone) blocked Garay, Strootman and Thiago...laughable...when you consider this summer Ed and LVG have failed (so far) to secure Vidal or any other big name signing for that matter. Shaw and Herrera are good players but United didn't have to fight off much competition for their signatures.

I, like you, take everything with a pinch of salt, and considering both of us only have newspaper hearsay to go on, i wouldn't be so quick to claim Moyes dismissed the world elite that Ed had lined up for him. :lol:
 
RuudTom83 said:
@Red Hand Devil

You give credit for the Shaw/Herrera signings to Ed and LVG but maybe Moyes had a big say in those players too! He was pretty confident that new arrivals would arrive this summer before he was sacked.

But I find the idea that Moyes (and Moyes alone) blocked Garay, Strootman and Thiago...laughable...when you consider this summer Ed and LVG have failed (so far) to secure Vidal or any other big name signing for that matter. Shaw and Herrera are good players but United didn't have to fight off much competition for their signatures.

I, like you, take everything with a pinch of salt, and considering both of us only have newspaper hearsay to go on, i wouldn't be so quick to claim Moyes dismissed the world elite that Ed had lined up for him. :lol:
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The transfer window is barely half way through, with most World Cup players not yet back from holiday and you're writing off Ed and LVG's efforts yet heralding Moyes! What is it about some of our fans that feel the need to defend and credit Moyes. He was shite and we are better off without his archaic methods and management style.

It's widely reported that Moyes rejected deals that gill and Ed (and if your being charitable, sir Alex) laid on because he wanted his own men, only to scramble around chasing a could of elite players that were non starters leaving us to overpay on Fellaini.

LVG accepted the deals for shaw and Herrara because his basic knowledge of them meant he felt they would fit. If he makes no more signings this summer we are still better than last summer but criticism will rightly be levelled at van gaal, until then, give the guy a chance to do his due diligence and get the right players in. Atleast he knows what players will fit his team and has an idea of style, Moyes was clueless in this regard chasing fabregas, bale etc... Can you imagine bale just pumping crosses in all day long, our strikers would never keep up with him!!

And how do you know we didn't fight off competition for players, Chelsea needed a left back and were supposedto be in for shaw... Mourinho's comments make it seem there were pretty close those who does he need to justify Chelsea losing out to United for a Chelsea fan footballer.....
 
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RuudTom83 said:
...when you consider this summer Ed and LVG have failed (so far) to secure Vidal or any other big name signing for that matter. Shaw and Herrera are good players but United didn't have to fight off much competition for their signatures.
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The bit in bold was kinda important! :)

I didn't mean to critisise LVG at all, i'm hugely looking forward to the season...i just find the Moyes bashing embarrassing and wanted to offer a different opinion.
 
RuudTom83 said:
@Red Hand Devil

You give credit for the Shaw/Herrera signings to Ed and LVG but maybe Moyes had a big say in those players too! He was pretty confident that new arrivals would arrive this summer before he was sacked.

But I find the idea that Moyes (and Moyes alone) blocked Garay, Strootman and Thiago...laughable...when you consider this summer Ed and LVG have failed (so far) to secure Vidal or any other big name signing for that matter. Shaw and Herrera are good players but United didn't have to fight off much competition for their signatures.

I, like you, take everything with a pinch of salt, and considering both of us only have newspaper hearsay to go on, i wouldn't be so quick to claim Moyes dismissed the world elite that Ed had lined up for him. :lol:
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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=g...nnel=fflb&gfe_rd=cr&ei=2SPVU4GJH6fY8gf744GwBw

http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/opinion/moyes-50-failings-in-50-games/
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Managers would want their own players of course, but i'd say Moyes regrets not signing those 3 now - if those deals were alleged to have been sewn up..
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I much doubt that. Moyes had shown to be pretty stubborn
 
Red Hand Devil said:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=garay says moyes blocked move&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb&gfe_rd=cr&ei=2SPVU4GJH6fY8gf744GwBw

http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/opinion/moyes-50-failings-in-50-games/
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"The truth is that in no moment did United come to us and talk to us. It came from the press, it was always a lie," Thiago in a ESPN interview

You believe what you want to believe! Google is great for finding links to support anyone's claim.
 
RuudTom83 said:
"The truth is that in no moment did United come to us and talk to us. It came from the press, it was always a lie," Thiago in a ESPN interview

You believe what you want to believe! Google is great for finding links to support anyone's claim.
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‘Thiago was very close to signing with Manchester United,’ he told Brazilian radio.

‘They watched him at the Under-21 European Champions, and after it was finished, they had talks. But they couldn’t find an agreement.

‘Thiago knew it would be very hard to play matches at Barcelona, and his goal is to play with Spain at the 2014 World Cup.’ Thiago's father said we were interested but Thiago himself said we weren't :confused:
 
RuudTom83 said:
@BorisontheRock


The bit in bold was kinda important! :)

I didn't mean to critisise LVG at all, i'm hugely looking forward to the season...i just find the Moyes bashing embarrassing and wanted to offer a different opinion.
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Given that Moyes' first transfer window can't be considered anything other than abject failure, why defend the guy, why compare him to our current manager at all. He was handsomely rewarded for his failure, he played in the big leagues, couldn't hack it and will go back to a level he can cope. We don't need to pity the guy or make excuses, especially when he was too damn stubborn to accept the help provided, help a man more senior, more experienced and more successfully gladly accepted (re shaw and Herrara). I fail to recognise that there is a different opinion than Moyes failed his transfer window and whilst I'd rather his name wasn't mentioned on here, it's no excuse to rewrite history and make him the hero of this window.

Anyway, I agree with you that his season will be exciting and one to hugely lookout for.
 
Moyes failed for a number of reasons. Included among them was his awful summer transfer window.

That is the reality.
 
RuudTom83 said:
"The truth is that in no moment did United come to us and talk to us. It came from the press, it was always a lie," Thiago in a ESPN interview

You believe what you want to believe! Google is great for finding links to support anyone's claim.
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There were many reports (from solid United journo's) posted in the transfer threads for those players, that said Moyes vetoed those deals..

I see you werent registered on here this time last year, so you maybe didnt get the full saga rollercoaster many of us went through. But it was the common theme that Moyes didnt want Fergie's targets - he wanted to be his own man, which is fair enough of course.

Moyes should have listened to the club in hindsight though - same way LvG has listened regarding Herrera & Shaw.

Thats "democracy" for ya..!
 
If everything was as Van Gaal planned in the beginning we would already have Strootman and possibly even Robben.
 
Herman Van Rompuy said:
Moyes failed for a number of reasons. Included among them was his awful summer transfer window.

That is the reality.
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That was the start basically. He could have had a solid team by the end of the window. Thiago and Strootman would have cost him around £30-32m.
 
@Red Hand Devil

i take your point mate, my main issue is the media makes so much shit up these days! But the redcafe doesn't need many quotes or stories to keep a thread going...the 300+ page Vidal thread is a testament to how little can be discussed for so long!

Moyes failed we all know that, and we can agree on that...sorry to derail the thread, lets move on with the Strootman discussion. :)
 
RuudTom83 said:
@Red Hand Devil

i take your point mate, my main issue is the media makes so much shit up these days! But the redcafe doesn't need many quotes or stories to keep a thread going...the 300+ page Vidal thread is a testament to how little can be discussed for so long!

Moyes failed we all know that, and we can agree on that...sorry to derail the thread, lets move on with the Strootman discussion. :)
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Good lad :)
 
Regardless of who's fault it was we clearly made a huge error in not getting him last summer and I admit I didn't care at the time. Now if LvG really wants him, which seems logical, then Roma are going to demand a kings ransom.
 
Devil may care said:
Regardless of who's fault it was we clearly made a huge error in not getting him last summer and I admit I didn't care at the time. Now if LvG really wants him, which seems logical, then Roma are going to demand a kings ransom.
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100 million euros, according to one of the Sunday chip wrappers.
 
RDCR07 said:
That was the start basically. He could have had a solid team by the end of the window. Thiago and Strootman would have cost him around £30-32m.
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Quoting this for the pure craziness of it. Two players that were relatively established and who everybody in the world seemed to know would kick on in the future, and they were available for £5m more than we paid for Fellaini. How the hell was that allowed to happen?

EDIT: I'm not one of these people who tends to get hung on prices, as I tend to think that if we need a player then it's about how they fit into the team that matters regardless of whether they cost 50p or £50m. But that was just crazy value.
 
LVG had to adapt his formation from 433 to 532 as Dutch manager due to Strootman's injury! and now he can't play 433 as United's manager because he doesn't have the right players for that system. Plus he is not in a rush to buy new players!

Strootman is the man LVG wants!
 
This transfer should've happened last summer when the price was 17m. It's still mid boggling we signed Fellaini for twice as much.

Besides, he's injured and Roma are in the CL. Can't see a reason for moving.
 
Devil may care said:
We can't risk top 4 by waiting another year for Strootman IMO.
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Its not we are waiting to see if Vidal signs. We are waiting to see how he comes back from injury and that is the right thing to do. We don't want another Hargreaves on our hands. We have to wait it out till he proves his fitness.
 
Enigma_87 said:
This transfer should've happened last summer when the price was 17m. It's still mid boggling we signed Fellaini for twice as much.

Besides, he's injured and Roma are in the CL. Can't see a reason for moving.
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If he ever came to us, he'd double his wages and play under a manager who loves him.

If we put a bid in he'd be here in an instant.
 
Who Strootman?

Of course he's worth it. He's better than anything we have in midfield.
 
RDCR07 said:
Thats not much to go on.
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I'm including Herrera in that.

Strootman would walk into any midfield in England. He'd partner Yaya at City, Ramsey at Aaron, and Fabregas at Chelsea.

He's brilliant. If it costs £40m then so be it.
 
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