Sorry. It's like saying Parker offer the same things as Keano.
Kevin Strootman
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That's silly, Khedira isn't a poor player and Strootman isn't world class (yet).
Yeah, I was a bit exaggerating. But Khedira nowadays is a poor player.
---------------Rooney--------------
Di Maria--------------------Januzaj
------Blind----------------Herrera--
--------------Strootman------------
I hope this would be our next season formation if we get Strootman
Falcao/RVP/Mata/Nani in Sub??
Di Maria--------------------Januzaj
------Blind----------------Herrera--
--------------Strootman------------
I hope this would be our next season formation if we get Strootman
Falcao/RVP/Mata/Nani in Sub??
Swap Blind & Strootman around but yeah either way, doubt we'd keep all of Falcao, RvP & Mata on the bench.
Strootman is more a box to box player rather than a sitting midfielder like Carrick or Blind for example. And of he comes to United, we'll have to change, once again, our system to a 4-3-3 and then leaving players on the bench.
Knowing that RVP is LVG's favorite he won't be benched, as Wazza's the captain also.
But it can be difficult to leave also Falcao from this system, so we'll have to play RVP, Rooney, Falcao, Di Maria, Blind and Strootman together... I only see two possibilities, but the second seems even less balanced than what we have now.
I think that it's better playing a classic 4-3-3 giving us more balance in the team, and a very strong and dynamic midfield. With Falcao and RVP sharing the n°9 spot, Rooney right (no doubt Adnan would fit there better)
-----------------RVP--------------
Di Maria--------------------Wazza
----Strootman-----------Herrera-
-----------------Blind------------
Shaw-----??????----?????----Rafa
---------------De Gea--------------
-----------RVP-------Falcao---------
---------------Rooney---------------
----Strootman-----------Di Maria-
-----------------Blind------------
Knowing that RVP is LVG's favorite he won't be benched, as Wazza's the captain also.
But it can be difficult to leave also Falcao from this system, so we'll have to play RVP, Rooney, Falcao, Di Maria, Blind and Strootman together... I only see two possibilities, but the second seems even less balanced than what we have now.
I think that it's better playing a classic 4-3-3 giving us more balance in the team, and a very strong and dynamic midfield. With Falcao and RVP sharing the n°9 spot, Rooney right (no doubt Adnan would fit there better)
-----------------RVP--------------
Di Maria--------------------Wazza
----Strootman-----------Herrera-
-----------------Blind------------
Shaw-----??????----?????----Rafa
---------------De Gea--------------
-----------RVP-------Falcao---------
---------------Rooney---------------
----Strootman-----------Di Maria-
-----------------Blind------------
If we were to bring him in, I wouldn't mind UTD getting rid of both our #10's Rooney and Mata as long as we bring in another top Winger like Cuadrado.
Falcao
Cuadrado.................................Di Maria
Strootman............Herrera
Blind
RVP, Carrick, Wilson, Januzaj, Pereira, Pearson as back up players and if we could Depay, Tielemans and keep Henriquez we would have a promising team for the future as well.Cuadrado.................................Di Maria
Strootman............Herrera
Blind
I know we all know Rooney isn't going anywhere, but even if he did I don't see why we'd buy Cuadrado for your system when we have Janzuaj raring to go.
Massively over rated is probably the reason. Fingers crossed he becomes a great player but he has proved little so far for me. If he proves himself this season then we should involve him more and more. He is a bench warmer at present
With strootman i'd play in big games
---------------- Falcao
Di Maria - Rooney - Mata
----Strootman - Blind
In normal matches
------- Falcao - Rooney
------------- Mata
-- di maria ----- herrera
--------- strootman
I don't think he is overrated, he has only turned 19 and was very good for us in many games last season, we need to play him more to advance his progress rather than buying another expensive obstacle IMO. As for the two line-ups, Mata wouldn't be in any of my starting line-ups ahead of Herrera or Blind as Strootman is not a true #6.
I'd play this is every game rather than chopping and changing, Adnan would compete for one of the 3 spots in behind Falcao.
---------------Falcao
Di Maria-----Rooney-----Herrera
----------Blind----Strootman
You need squad rotation and playing different formations can be handy. I agree i want him to get more game time but a lot of people talk of him like hes some sort of world beater. I remain unconvinced of his true potential. Hes a bit like Sterling was after his first season.
I have always believed that getting your system and being secure in it as one that others have to change to beat is the best way, as opposed to chopping and changing, the key is a bit of flexibility within the system,. I would use Januzaj, Mata, RvP and Carrick in the rotation for certain, but keep the system the same. As for Adnan, I guess only time will tell.
Rooney isn't included because of the system, Herrera acts as the #10 but from a deeper position. Falcao and RVP are better strikers (LVG) and there's no point shoe horning players around just so they can be on the pitch, why have Rooney out wide if its possible buying a better winger out wide.
Januzaj is apart of the team, we are going to need him if the wingers get injured. Barca, RM, Chelski, BM all have 4 wide players in their squad, not all play at the same time but are used over the season, we need the same approach rather then just concentrating on a starting 11.
I just feel like the strootman deal is inevitable regardless of what the roma president says. He's out with an acl injury but if we bid 30 or 35m in January for him, for a player just recovering from a long term injury, then they'll accept. They did buy him for like 12m only a year ago and have as good of a replacement player as you could hope for in naingollan already there. I just don't buy this talk of "not even 75m" from the president, he said the same for benatia and then they sold him for less then 30m I think.
Everything has to do with what Strootman wants. If he is entertaining the idea of joining Van Gaal, Roma would be incentivized to cash in and move him on. They would probably earn double the fee they paid for him and would reduce the risk that his injury might later relapse at which point he would be worthless to them.
Yeah, and with Van gaal and strootman having such a good relationship, and United having RvP and blind at the club as well, I just feel like it's perfectly set up for strootman to come in.
Its really quite sad that we could've had him last summer for about 2/3 what we paid for Fellaini, which would have us in a much stronger situation right now.
How many times does he have to say he's not for sale till it sinks in.
Probably the same amount of times they said Benaita wasn't for sale. Oh wait...
It doesn't matter what he says, its what he ultimately does. If Strootman wants to leave, he will be sold.
Are you serious? this has been said in nearly ever transfer saga ever, it means feck all.
If Van Gaal wants to sign him and he actively pushes to come here then there isn't a great deal Roma are going to do to prevent that.
That the Roma officials are saying that once per week means they know Strootman wants to leave
And to be honest Roma don't need Strootman....yes he's a very good player.....but they would have still a great midfield without him and they can spend the 30m in 1-2 other positions in the team
This. Same thing happened with Benatia last summer. Palotta claimed Benatia's right leg alone was worth 30 mil euros after reported City interest. After pressure from the player and his willingness to leave, ultimately resulted in Benatia leaving for a relatively paltry sum of 26 mil euros. Player power means a lot, esp if you aren't really an rich/stubborn club who can afford to let their players rot in the reserve. If Strootman want out then it is just a matter of when.
I was thinking this watching the City game, and I don't think De Rossi was even playing. Who does Strootman replace? Maybe he fits in somewhere but my limited knowledge of Roma indicates to me that he's certainly not indispensable.
Naingollan is replacing him and he is good.
The chairman (or owner) was on five live yesterday - seems like a top bloke actually and he pretty much said we listen to all offers - it does not mean we want to sell a player but you always have to listen and if an offer comes in that would help you fill three or four holes in your squad then you have to consider that.
So it sound to me like they would probably want to wait till the summer so players are available to fill their gaps and they would want a lot of money for him.
So thats pretty much what I expect to happen - we pay probably more than we really should but we get a player our manager seems to rate highly - personally Id prefer pogba but pogba might have zero interest in joining us anyway so Id be happy with the deal - I was a big advocat for signing him before he went to roma as well so it will be galling to see us pay probably upwards of 40 million for him but provided his knee holds up on his return that could still look like a good deal a couple of years down the line.
have to reiterate though the owner (an american who owns other sports teams as well I think) was fantastic - seemed genuinely interested in the club and passionate about supporting his players plus very articulate and a likeable bloke - basically nothing like the glazers or woodward
Roma have a strong midfield even without Strootman and they could use the money to sign a forward, defender and a new keeper, three positions they might need to have a look at after the end of season. That said they have generated a very tidy income from outgoing transfers lately so they don't need money that much.
How has Iturbe been doing BTW?
How has Iturbe been doing BTW?
The thing is I don't actually disagree with your overall points, but all these line-ups I see without Rooney are a waste of time IMO. LvG has made him Captain and said his Captain always plays, so unless Rooney hits a patch of absolutely rotten form he will start week in and week out, so unless we ditch both Falcao and RvP and play him in the sort of role Lewandowski has at Bayern, then we'll continue to play close to what we are now as regards formation, we wont move to 4-3-3.
Strootman is going to cost an eye watering fee to sign from Roma. Could have had him for 1/3 what it will cost to get him now, but now we ended up with Fellaini.
I think, if not next year than by the 2016, it would be
DiMaria-Strootman-Herrera-Januzaj as our midfield when healthy, with Rooney inevitably playing up front and then either another attacker (when we're facing weaker teams/tactics make it logical) in front of that 4 or Blind behind it when we need protection. That would allow for rotation, too.
So, to smash Stoke at home on a Saturday:
-----------Falcao--Rooney------------
DiMaria-Strootman-Herrera-Januzaj
then away at PSG for a CL game on Wednesday:
------------Falcao/Rooney-----------
DiMaria---------------------Januzaj
---------Strootman-Herrera-------
---------------Blind-------------------
I really think that 4 would fit well together and we could work around them.
I'd rather keep di Maria central than move him out wide.
I think he could be utilized much better in wider areas compared to central areas considering our physicality nature of the league.I may be proved wrong,currently he's operated from central areas and jury still is out there and we will find out by end of the season.
I think we might go after him either by Jan 15 or in the summer of 2015. Year 2016 is long way to go, and if we are not getting him by end of summer 2015, there are more possible chance of us sifting our target to other player than Strootman.
I feel he would be a great fit with our current system.Blind-Strootman-Herrera means, we have hard working midfield to support a brilliant front 3.
He just had his best season for Madrid playing centrally, and he's started on fire for us playing centrally...
Yes,he was brilliant for Madrid last season centrally and currently doing well with our team,my worry with him is coping with the physicality of the league in long run.I feel that he could be better utilized while team is on counter attack when he start in front three.Also we lack quality in wide areas for long now.
The thing is, Di Maria wasn't unanimously recognized as a world class player before Ancelotti shifted him to a midfield 3. He had some exciting moments on the wing for Madrid under Mourinho yes, but the overall performances were really scattergun and inconsistent. United certainly wouldn't have bought the 2012/ 2013 Di Maria for ~ £60 million. But playing in a central-ish midfield role really extracts the best of his abilities - the energetic playing style, relentless pressing, the ability to dribble in vacant space and so forth. It'd be rather curious to push him further forward when he's been performing exceedingly well in the current position. In a sense, it's similar to Iniesta for Barcelona and someone has already alluded to it in an earlier post. Good in a forward 3, brilliant in a midfield trio.
In the current formation i think this is the way to go. Herrera has proven to be good in the No10 role. Strootman wold be better suited playing box to box and keep Blind in the team as the deep lying mid. I'm not convinced Mata will stay past the summer so he wouldn't be being left out. Defence needs work obviously but this is just going off the current squad.
Too bad he's not fit enough to prove his worth in the Champions League this season. Performances against quality opposition like Bayern and City would have made it easier to properly assess the player.
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