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Sammyjunn said:
Still nobody who has elaborated why Pogba is better.. :confused:
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Because he is not, well not before Strootman injury. You have to keep in mind that a lot of people haven't seen Strootman play.
Strootman is more intelligent and have a better understanding of the game, which is invaluable, he is also powerful and technically good.
I suppose that people think that Pogba is the better player because is technically amazing and physically very strong.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Still nobody who has elaborated why Pogba is better.. :confused:
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Simply because he isn't, and they can't seem to come to terms with Strootman actually being better than the prodigal son Pogba.
 
Ekeke said:
How about you ask why top managers are naming Pogba as the best or one of the best central midfielders in the world

While Strootman isnt getting a mention?
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because he is 24 and because a lot of coaches are muppets. Pogba is a creative player all the coaches want that kind of players in there team. For example it took almost 10 years for Makelele to be recognized.
But if you ask Guardiola, Van Gaal or any possession oriented coach who they choose first between a midfield "controller" and a midfield "puncher", i think that they will choose the former.
 
Ekeke said:
How about you ask why top managers are naming Pogba as the best or one of the best central midfielders in the world

While Strootman isnt getting a mention?
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Because Strootman is injured? Our manager LVG, switched to 352 simply because Strootman was injured, is there more to say? Strootman is such a complete midfielder, Pogba shows his class at times and is more attacking than Strootman. Both box to box'es, but in that role Strootman is much more complete and does his task a lot better, people prefer to see those worldies or those funny tricks Pogba does over Strootman controlling the game, being important with interceptions, bringing the ball forward, being dynamic and with excellent work rate.
 
Strootman last season was probably better than Pogba last season. He's also a fantastic passer of the ball, which may get overlooked because he is a mean-looking, all-action, industrial midfielder.
 
I think he'd be an excellent addition for us. Could play several roles in midfield - as the holder, as a box-to-box in a three or on the left of a diamond to free up Di Maria.

The comparisons in here are all a bit pointless, as regardless of them it's hard to argue with the fact Strootman was brilliant last season. He's technically very good but also brings the physicality we've missed at times this season, with Fellaini's introduction showing what a difference it can make.
 
Ekeke said:
True
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Strootman until his injury was better than all the player you mentioned, they also all have been inconsistent, which can explain the different opinions. Pogba is younger than the others and he probably have a better potential.
Now Strootman intelligence makes him better, Herrera drive makes him excellent, Pogba creativity makes him exciting and since Thiago has all the aforementioned qualities he is the best.
 
why do people compare Strootman with Pogba? We wont get Pogba, so no point in comparing them. We wont choose between the two, LvG wants Strootman so be it.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Because Strootman is injured? Our manager LVG, switched to 352 simply because Strootman was injured, is there more to say? Strootman is such a complete midfielder, Pogba shows his class at times and is more attacking than Strootman. Both box to box'es, but in that role Strootman is much more complete and does his task a lot better, people prefer to see those worldies or those funny tricks Pogba does over Strootman controlling the game, being important with interceptions, bringing the ball forward, being dynamic and with excellent work rate.
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The dutch are blessed with a lot of good midfielders, aren't they? Van Gaal had no other option that's why he switched, more to do with the Dutch not having enough quality replacement than anything.
 
Is every board like this? Where 90% of fans seem to have watched every single player on the planet play? Enough to actually give a valid opinion of.

For example, I've only watched Pogba play full matches during the World Cup. I don't personally think that gives me a good ground to give an opinion of him as a player.

I've only ever watched two full matches of Herrera prior to joining United, which was against us.
 
Pogba is better and younger.

Now back to the subject.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Why? Do you just make statements like that, with no reasoning?
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Even a Roma fan would admit that Pogba is better then Strootman. He's younger, more effective, stronger and more technically gifted. He's also the one getting the most attention. PSG and Real has already placed bids for the boy. Also he's the only one within the FIFA player of the year list.

The difference in talent is pretty distinct. Its like comparing Scholes and Gerrard or Rio and Terry. Oh wait EPL lovers just love arguing the obvious isn't it?
 
devilish said:
Even a Roma fan would admit that Pogba is better then Strootman. He's younger, more effective, stronger and more technically gifted. The difference in talent is pretty distinct. Its like comparing Scholes and Gerrard or Rio and Terry. Oh wait EPL lovers just love arguing the obvious isn't it?
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Would they, more effective? What do you mean by that, in terms of goals/assists , Strootman was better, Pogba stronger than Strootman? What, have you ever seen Strootman play? Strootman is a better distributor of the ball, better workrate, he is better defensively, more concistent and better tactically, Pogba shows his class in glimpses with beautiful goals/passes/tricks, but imo he is a clear level below Strootman (that could have changed now as Strootman hasnt hit a ball in half a year).
 
Sammyjunn said:
Would they, more effective? What do you mean by that, in terms of goals/assists , Strootman was better, Pogba stronger than Strootman? What, have you ever seen Strootman play? Strootman is a better distributor of the ball, better workrate, he is better defensively, more concistent and better tactically, Pogba shows his class in glimpses with beautiful goals/passes/tricks, but imo he is a clear level below Strootman (that could have changed now as Strootman hasnt hit a ball in half a year).
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Your Scholes/Gerrard comparison doesnt really go, Pogba and Strootman are much more similar kind of players than Scholes/Gerrard was.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Your Scholes/Gerrard comparison doesnt really go, Pogba and Strootman are much more similar kind of players than Scholes/Gerrard was.
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But the difference in terms of talent is equally clear. Actually its more different to argue the difference between Scholes and Gerrard rather then that between Pogba and Strootman.
 
Sammyjunn said:
We are not talking about talent now, but who is the better player.
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Who was/is the better player between Keane and Butt? Iniesta and Herrera? Ronaldo and Beckham? Same

Pogba is clearly the better player. He's faster, stronger and more technically gifted. I understand LVG for opting for Strootman. The latter is LVG's man, he's gettable and would sweat blood for LVG's cause. However let us be clear. Strootman is nowhere near to Vidal or Pogba.
 
JPRouve said:
Strootman until his injury was better than all the player you mentioned, they also all have been inconsistent, which can explain the different opinions. Pogba is younger than the others and he probably have a better potential.
Now Strootman intelligence makes him better, Herrera drive makes him excellent, Pogba creativity makes him exciting and since Thiago has all the aforementioned qualities he is the best.
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He wasnt better than Ander has started this season, but its also only been 5 games for Ander and was a lot of games over the season for Strootman
 
devilish said:
Who was the better player between Keane and Butt? Same.

Pogba is clearly the better player. He's faster, stronger and more technically gifted. I understand LVG for opting for Strootman. The latter is LVG's man, he knows his tactics inside out and would sweat blood for LVG's cause. However let us be clear. Strootman is nowhere near to Vidal or Pogba.
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Keane, more talented same consistency.

The fact that Pogba is in the Ballon d'or list, is not a good argument when Modric, Koke(from the little i've seen) or even Thiago (despite the injuries) have been better and aren't on that list, it's a political list.

Pogba is a great prospect but is not consistent (probably due to his age), Strootman has been better or has good during a longer period (also probably due to his age) Strootman has also more influence on his team than Pogba.
 
devilish said:
Who was/is the better player between Keane and Butt? Iniesta and Herrera? Ronaldo and Beckham? Same

Pogba is clearly the better player. He's faster, stronger and more technically gifted. I understand LVG for opting for Strootman. The latter is LVG's man, he's gettable and would sweat blood for LVG's cause. However let us be clear. Strootman is nowhere near to Vidal or Pogba.
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You're so very wrong. Strootman was better than Pogba last season although it's obvious Pogba has more "talent". However, "talent" doesn't equal being better. Teams like Madrid or PSG want Pogba because he has the potential to be the best midfielder in the world and he is quite young too, not because he is already the best midfielder in the world.
 
Dumat12 said:
You're so very wrong. Strootman was better than Pogba last season although it's obvious Pogba has more "talent". However, "talent" doesn't equal being better. Teams like Madrid or PSG want Pogba because he has the potential to be the best midfielder in the world and he is quite young too, not because he is already the best midfielder in the world.
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Managers are already talking about him being the best, not having the potential to be the best. Even if they are wrong they arent wrong by much, he's in the top couple and Strootman is definitely not ahead. Pjanic is ahead of Strootman too
 
JPRouve said:
Keane, more talented same consistency.

The fact that Pogba is in the Ballon d'or list, is not a good argument when Modric, Koke(from the little i've seen) or even Thiago (despite the injuries) have been better and aren't on that list, it's a political list.

Pogba is a great prospect but is not consistent (probably due to his age), Strootman has been better or has good during a longer period (also probably due to his age) Strootman has also more influence on his team than Pogba.
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Pogba has been pretty consistent with Juventus. He was able to put a club favorite and Juventus future captain to the ropes in such a way that at one point he was considering leaving.

I rate Strootman. I wanted him at United and despite not representing the value for money he was when he was in Holland he would still prove a shrewd signing for us. Having said that I seriously cant believe we're debating this. What's next? Whose the best keeper between DDG and Lindegaard?
 
Ekeke said:
He wasnt better than Ander has started this season, but its also only been 5 games for Ander and was a lot of games over the season for Strootman
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I was comparing only last season performances, not Ander current season and Strootman last season.
At the moment if i'm not mistaken amongst the under 24 midfielders only Kroos has been clearly better than Herrera.
 
Dumat12 said:
You're so very wrong. Strootman was better than Pogba last season although it's obvious Pogba has more "talent". However, "talent" doesn't equal being better. Teams like Madrid or PSG want Pogba because he has the potential to be the best midfielder in the world and he is quite young too, not because he is already the best midfielder in the world.
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I am not wrong at all. Pogba was magnificent last season.

Also dont underestimate the 'smaller club effect' were players look better when playing with smaller clubs. Fellaini, Howard, Foster etc are clear examples of it
 
JPRouve said:
I was comparing only last season performances, not Ander current season and Strootman last season.
At the moment if i'm not mistaken amongst the under 24 midfielders only Kroos has been clearly better than Herrera.
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Sounds about right. Again my point is a bit thin because its only 5 games and its harder to keep it up for 24 league games+ and perhaps we should wait till Ander hits 10 games at that level
 
bosnian_red said:
Well for starters, Pjanic is Roma's best player and most important midfielder, while they also have De Rossi who is key to them and probably was better last season. Then Juventus have Vidal who is clearly better, and pogba who probably is at this point too. That's only looking at midfielders for those top 2 teams. Strootman is class, but in no way is he the best midfielder at his club let alone the best player in the league.

And no, its not just Bosnian bias with regards to Pjanic, most people who watch Roma consistently would tell you the same.
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Where would you rank Hamsik in there? Genuinely interested as you seem to have a good grasp of midfielders in Italy. Always quite liked him as a player. Not sure hes up there with Vidal and Pogba who in my eyes were Serie A's best two. I know ver little about Pjanic i have to admit.
 
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