Kevin Strootman

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If Van Gaal wants to sign Strootman, we get the man. No doubt about it. United has the financial resources, the aura, are a far bigger club than Roma and have Strootman's mentor at the helm. Everything is aligned and in place for the move.

Just a bit of posturing by Pallotta to spike up the prices a bit and maybe drum up some interest among rival bidders. This is the same man quoted as saying he follows :

Benatia? I don't know if there was a communication problem, but I want to make it clear that he has never been for sale, we have never received offers nor are we entering into negotiations, said Pallotta.

Mehdi is our player and he will be for this season, he is very important for us on and off the field.
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Only to sell him for €26 million a few weeks later and tried to justify the sale by maligning Benatia's name and calling him a 'poison' in the dressing room. Wouldn't trust his utterance one bit.
 
DiMaria-Strootman-Herrera-Januzaj

as a core midfield 4 from next season on for a few years makes a lot of sense, with a striker up front and then the 6th and final player depending on he matchup, be it a holding mid like Blind allowing Strootman more freedom (since he'll be playing a pretty defensive role) in tougher games or another attacker up front.

And Blind can come in when Strootman or Herrera are hurt/need a rest, and we probably need another wide player to come in who's not a complete waster, or Pereira to emerge in that sort of role.

I'm a Koke muppet, myself, but if Strootman can play as the deepest midfielder and perform at a high level in weak games while doing what he does as a box to box typical 8 in tougher games, he makes a lot of sense here.
 
It would more likely be Di Maria, Strootman, Herrera, and Blind

Can't see LvG dropping his national team player
 
NoPace said:
DiMaria-Strootman-Herrera-Januzaj

as a core midfield 4 from next season on for a few years makes a lot of sense, with a striker up front and then the 6th and final player depending on he matchup, be it a holding mid like Blind allowing Strootman more freedom (since he'll be playing a pretty defensive role) in tougher games or another attacker up front.

And Blind can come in when Strootman or Herrera are hurt/need a rest, and we probably need another wide player to come in who's not a complete waster, or Pereira to emerge in that sort of role.

I'm a Koke muppet, myself, but if Strootman can play as the deepest midfielder and perform at a high level in weak games while doing what he does as a box to box typical 8 in tougher games, he makes a lot of sense here.
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I dont know strootman at all, but what you say is contradicting. If Strootman has to play as #6/DM/holding player, he cant roam forward or he ends up out of position (like Khedira). He could only do that if he plays alongside a holding player.

What kind of player is strootman actually? I dont know it, but reading this thread, he seems to be a b2b CM; similar to Herrera but a bit more defensive.
 
PedroMendez said:
I dont know strootman at all, but what you say is contradicting. If Strootman has to play as #6/DM/holding player, he cant roam forward or he ends up out of position (like Khedira). He could only do that if he plays alongside a holding player.

What kind of player is strootman actually? I dont know it, but reading this thread, he seems to be a b2b CM; similar to Herrera but a bit more defensive.
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He is primarily a box to box player, but has played as a holding midfield for Holland. I personally don't think he's great as a holding midfield, though. His positional awareness doesn't really impress me, and would certainly be better with a more defence minded player next to him, like you said. Either that, or have two box to box players in Herrera and Strootman ahead of a holding player.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
He is primarily a box to box player, but has played as a holding midfield for Holland. I personally don't think he's great as a holding midfield, though. His positional awareness doesn't really impress me, and would certainly be better with a more defence minded player next to him, like you said. Either that, or have two box to box players in Herrera and Strootman ahead of a holding player.
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cheers. that what I thought after reading this thread.
 
Don't really see the point in spending the £25m or so that it'd take on him if we're gonna keep using Di Maria centrally as we should, Herrera's better as 'an 8' and Strootman's average at best as a holding midfielder.

Dunno why so many people think it's a given that we'll sign him either.
 
I imagine if we get Strootman or another box to box player of his ilk we'll start to line-up like this.

 
Santos J said:
Rather drop Blind from that play Herrera there & stick Januzaj out wide.
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I don't think the role would be a wide one though, Herrera and Di Maria would be playing pretty much as they are now, the only difference is we'd have an extra midfielder sitting a bit deeper as opposed to an extra striker up top. It would allow the Di Maria/Rooney/Herrera trio to keep operating as they have and add a physical presence next to Blind making us stronger defensively.
 
Devil may care said:
I don't think the role would be a wide one though, Herrera and Di Maria would be playing pretty much as they are now, the only difference is we'd have an extra midfielder sitting a bit deeper as opposed to an extra striker up top. It would allow the Di Maria/Rooney/Herrera trio to keep operating as they have and add a physical presence next to Blind making us stronger defensively.
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Strootman's no more defensive than Ander is in a deeper roll though and he gets forward just as much if not more so it wouldn't really change much defensively, we'd be better off spending on a holding midfielder if we want another body in midfield at this point.
 
Santos J said:
Strootman's no more defensive than Ander is in a deeper roll though and he gets forward just as much if not more so it wouldn't really change much defensively, we'd be better off spending on a holding midfielder if we want another body in midfield at this point.
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He's more physical and if we have him and Ander we have 2 CM's helping out Blind, if we move Ander deeper we lose some of his attacking presence and with Januzaj we become more open. I'm not saying Strootman is the guy I'd definitely pick, but I think we need someone in midfield next to Blind in the same way Alonso always has someone next to him.
 
Devil may care said:
Eventually if we don't keep Falcao, but if we do I can't see us sitting both Falcao and RvP on the bench.
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RVP is growing old. Its not as if Real or Barcelona would step in if he leaves United. Falcao would be an issue though. However team balance > players wishes

Id say give Falcao and Rooney a fair run. Whoever turn best then we should keep him as first teamer, the other can be sold/sent back.
 
devilish said:
RVP is growing old. Its not as if Real or Barcelona would step in if he leaves United. Falcao would be an issue though. However team balance > players wishes

Id say give Falcao and Rooney a fair run. Whoever turn best then we should keep him as first teamer, the other can be sold/sent back.
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That's pretty much the equivalent of saying "see ya later" to Falcao then as Rooney will be here until virtually the end of his career IMO.
 
Devil may care said:
That's pretty much the equivalent of saying "see ya later" to Falcao then as Rooney will be here until virtually the end of his career IMO.
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Who cares what it means? This squad lacks of balance. Id rather have a team which relies on a one man forward line made up of Rooney/Wilson/RVP and has a quality Defender, Strootman and Vidal in it then spending 40m something on 29 year old striker.
 
devilish said:
Who cares what it means? This squad lacks of balance. Id rather have a team which relies on a one man forward line made up of Rooney/Wilson/RVP and has a quality Defender, Strootman and Vidal in it then spending 40m something on 29 year old striker.
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Why it matters is that LvG chose to add Falcao, he wasn't forced to, therefore he wants surely to have at least two world class options as strikers or has always intended to shift Rooney deeper, I don't see any of RvP, Rooney or Falcao accepting a bench role yet.
 
Devil may care said:
Why it matters is that LvG chose to add Falcao, he wasn't forced to, therefore he wants surely to have at least two world class options as strikers or has always intended to shift Rooney deeper, I don't see any of RvP, Rooney or Falcao accepting a bench role yet.
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Our team can't afford 3 strikers. Also Falcao is on loan. Same as Hernandez, Anderson, Nani, Larsson and many others players are/were. That doesn't mean that they will be retained next season

VG was wise enough to change formation to 3-5-2 to 4-4-2. I wont be surprised he will do it again.
 
devilish said:
Our team can't afford 3 strikers. Also Falcao is on loan. Same as Hernandez, Anderson, Nani, Larsson and many others players are/were. That doesn't mean that they will be retained next season.
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Even if we don't keep Falcao it will still be Rooney deeper with RvP up top, I don't see LvG playing Rooney as the lone 9, he'll play him as the #10/AM in the 3 behind the #9 if we switch to 4-2-3-1.
 
Devil may care said:
Even if we don't keep Falcao it will still be Rooney deeper with RvP up top, I don't see LvG playing Rooney as the lone 9, he'll play him as the #10/AM in the 3 behind the #9 if we switch to 4-2-3-1.
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It depends on the players he gets. Its widely reported that the man has been following Vidal and Strootman closely. With the defensive department in shambles I wont exclude that we revert to a 4-3-3 system with Strootman-Vidal-Herrera in the middle, Di Maria and Januzaj on the flanks and Rooney upfront. RVP will be Rooney's cover/competition. 4-3-3 is a formation VG's likes.
 
devilish said:
It depends on the players he gets. Its widely reported that the man has been following Vidal and Strootman closely. With the defensive department in shambles I wont exclude that we revert to a 4-3-3 system with Strootman-Vidal-Herrera in the middle, Di Maria and Januzaj on the flanks and Rooney upfront. RVP will be Rooney's cover/competition. 4-3-3 is a formation VG's likes.
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I don't see that happening personally, Di Maria has improved as a player since switching to the hybrid role we are using him in and Rooney lacks the discipline to play as a 9, he always wants to come deeper for the ball. I think if we add a Vidal or Strootman one will play as part of the 2 next to Blind in a 4-2-3-1. I get that everyone wants a front 3 so Januzaj plays more, I just don't see it on the cards as long as we have Rooney as such a main figure in the team.
 
Devil may care said:
I don't see that happening personally, Di Maria has improved as a player since switching to the hybrid role we are using him in and Rooney lacks the discipline to play as a 9, he always wants to come deeper for the ball. I think if we add a Vidal or Strootman one will play as part of the 2 next to Blind in a 4-2-3-1. I get that everyone wants a front 3 so Januzaj plays more, I just don't see it on the cards as long as we have Rooney as such a main figure in the team.
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Rooney did well when played as a lone striker. If he doesn't do well then RVP will take his place. VG is not SAF. He wont accept having just 1 WC player with a couple of cheerleaders (Hernandez, Welbeck etc) acting as mere cover so rest assured that at the first signs of decline by the former two players he would get a quality striker.

Di Maria and Januzaj would have a Robben type of role. They will have licence to cut inside and make the damage. Ball possession is key in VG's game. Vidal-Strootman-Herrera would provide that.
 
devilish said:
Rooney did well when played as a lone striker. If he doesn't do well then RVP will take his place. VG is not SAF. He wont accept having just 1 WC player with a couple of cheerleaders (Hernandez, Welbeck etc) acting as mere cover so rest assured that at the first signs of decline by the former two players he would get a quality striker.

Di Maria and Januzaj would have a Robben type of role. They will have licence to cut inside and make the damage. Ball possession is key in VG's game. Vidal-Strootman-Herrera would provide that.
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I just don't see it, Rooney did well in that one season where he played the lone role a lot but he doesn't like it and LvG has openly said he was not happy with Rooney as a striker, I think he wants him deeper in the thick of things. I guess we'll see which of us is right over the next 18 months.
 
Devil may care said:
I just don't see it, Rooney did well in that one season where he played the lone role a lot but he doesn't like it and LvG has openly said he was not happy with Rooney as a striker, I think he wants him deeper in the thick of things. I guess we'll see which of us is right over the next 18 months.
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Where have VG said that he doesn't like Rooney as striker?

And maybe its time for Rooney to start doing things that he doesn't like. He's the captain and 28 years old now. The expectations are higher and he's hardly irreplacable.
 
devilish said:
Where have VG said that he doesn't like Rooney as striker?

And maybe its time for Rooney to start doing things that he doesn't like. He's the captain and 28 years old now. The expectations are higher and he's hardly irreplacable.
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Before the Leicester game, he said he was not happy with Rooney as a striker and that Rooney has told him his best position is deeper, LvG obviously liked what he saw in that game as he stuck with him there against West Ham.

You'd get no argument from me on that but we both know high paid star players and such reasonable compromises do not often go together.
 
Devil may care said:
Before the Leicester game, he said he was not happy with Rooney as a striker and that Rooney has told him his best position is deeper, LvG obviously liked what he saw in that game as he stuck with him there against West Ham.

You'd get no argument from me on that but we both know high paid star players and such reasonable compromises do not often go together.
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At the wrong end of his 20s he will have to compromise.
 
Ramshock said:
Blind is better suited for DM than Herrera
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Didn't mean play Herrera as a DM, just one of the two in the middle rather than further forward, don't think we'd be any different defensively with Herrera & Strootman than we would be with one of them + Blind.
 
So did anyone see the Roma-City? How did he look?
 
Invictus said:
If Van Gaal wants to sign Strootman, we get the man. No doubt about it. United has the financial resources, the aura, are a far bigger club than Roma and have Strootman's mentor at the helm. Everything is aligned and in place for the move.

Just a bit of posturing by Pallotta to spike up the prices a bit and maybe drum up some interest among rival bidders. This is the same man quoted as saying he follows :




Only to sell him for €26 million a few weeks later and tried to justify the sale by maligning Benatia's name and calling him a 'poison' in the dressing room. Wouldn't trust his utterance one bit.
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Difference being Benatia made a mess out of it, Pallotta didnt want to sell him but Benatia wanted more money and was all about some agreement with Roma about granting him more money then they offered.
So basically he was a poison in the dressing room and its good he left. He is a good player but I think he has a really high opinion of himself, maybe too much high, now he isnt a regular for Bayer and it serves him right.

United having an aura, being bigger club and LVG being manager doesnt mean its 100 percent sure he'll come to United.
Could happen but I wouldnt take it for granted.

Roma almost bought a young mid from PSG, maybe they'll buy him in the winter, dont know much about him and would that mean Strootman would be sold.
 
Could play still play a diamond, just Ander as the #10.

De Gea
Rafael - Whoever's - Fit - Shaw
Blind
Strootman - di Maria
Ander
Rooney - RvP/Falcao
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If we were to sign him though, I'd prefer the 433 with Blind behind Ander and Strootman as somebody posted above. I can't see that happening seeing as we're looking to keep RvP, Rooney and will most likely sign Falcao.
 
If we sign him, I think that he'll take Blind's place. I really doubt that we'll play Herrera as 10 and then bench one of our No.10 (Mata or Rooney).
 
Signing him makes sense in next summer window imo. Right now, we've got just two competitions and I'm not sure if he or Herrera/Blind/di Maria would be happy with being benched given how little games we have to play. Next season though we'll need depth and quality so we'll have to move away from likes of Fletcher or fecking Anderson and be sure that we don't scream 'oh feck' when Herrera gets injured.
 
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