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friendlytramp said:
Is it at all possible that blind could prove to be better than Strootman..? I don't see why not.
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I think you can have a midfield three of Blind, Strootman and Herrera. What that means for Rooney and Mata is another thing altogether.
 
We could offer more money and more than likely he'd want to play for us under van Gaal and then with the money Roma can buy Rabiot anyway and at the end of the day PSG will still lose.
 
AltiUn said:
We could offer more money and more than likely he'd want to play for us under van Gaal and then with the money Roma can buy Rabiot anyway and at the end of the day PSG will still lose.
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Why not bypass the middle man and just straight up buy rabiot? Should have done the same with fellaini(mccarthy).
 
MJJ said:
Why not bypass the middle man and just straight up buy rabiot? Should have done the same with fellaini(mccarthy).
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Because Strootman is just a much better player now and that's what we need, not potential, that can wait until we've managed to get ourselves CL football again, what we need now is a quick-fix.
 
The top half of his face looks like Ben Affleck and the bottom half looks like Lionel Richie.
 
Interesting that @andersred has flagged up that the projected net transfer spend for June 30th 2014 - 30 th June 2015 (this financial year), is going to be £90 million, Di Maria, Rojo, & Blind fall into that period & combined were £89.5 million, but then we received around £28 million for Welbeck, Kagawa, Lawrence, and Evra for this financial year, which by my reckoning means they are expecting a £28.5 million spend in January as I can't see us doing much in the summer window before June 30th 2015.

Surely too much of a coincidence that this is the rough price that has banded about for Strootman recently.

Now I must stress these are just my nerdy ramblings, and I could be completely wrong.

Also just to say I didn't factor in the Falcao loan as that should be easily covered by the loan fees we will have received for Hernandez, Zaha, Powell etc.
 
AltiUn said:
Because Strootman is just a much better player now and that's what we need, not potential, that can wait until we've managed to get ourselves CL football again, what we need now is a quick-fix.
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Rabiot is a great potential tho. If they want to offload him we should be in for him. He has a good tackle and passing in him, also his positioning sense for his age is pretty good. Very young as well. Downside is that he's a tad slow and not that explosive.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Rabiot is a great potential tho. If they want to offload him we should be in for him. He has a good tackle and passing in him, also his positioning sense for his age is pretty good. Very young as well. Downside is that he's a tad slow and not that explosive.
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I'd have them both but I thought it was a case of either or.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Interesting that @andersred has flagged up that the projected net transfer spend for June 30th 2014 - 30 th June 2015 (this financial year), is going to be £90 million, Di Maria, Rojo, & Blind fall into that period & combined were £89.5 million, but then we received around £28 million for Welbeck, Kagawa, Lawrence, and Evra for this financial year, which by my reckoning means they are expecting a £28.5 million spend in January as I can't see us doing much in the summer window before June 30th 2015.

Surely too much of a coincidence that this is the rough price that has banded about for Strootman recently.

Now I must stress these are just my nerdy ramblings, and I could be completely wrong.

Also just to say I didn't factor in the Falcao loan as that should be easily covered by the loan fees we will have received for Hernandez, Zaha, Powell etc.
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Is it not impossible that some/all transfers have add ons that we expect to be hit this year? That's not just taking this summers transfers into account but all transfers previous that have active addons? I.E players hitting XX caps for the club, international caps, goal watersheds, it's also not difficult to believe that Woodward might have included UCL qualification addons to this summer's transfer incomings, removing some of the financial risk from the deals should we fail to hit qualify.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Rabiot is a great potential tho. If they want to offload him we should be in for him. He has a good tackle and passing in him, also his positioning sense for his age is pretty good. Very young as well. Downside is that he's a tad slow and not that explosive.
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Rabiot is only a few months older than our own Pereira, we should be getting him ready for the first team rather than buying another teenager IMO.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
I think you can have a midfield three of Blind, Strootman and Herrera. What that means for Rooney and Mata is another thing altogether.
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would like to see that, would work in a 433 or a diamond.
but yeah what ever formation we play where goin to have to leave some players out
 
sun_tzu said:
Rabiot is ready for the first team now
Pereira would be better served by a loan somewhere to get more playing time
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We haven't even seen Pereira play a league game yet so we don't know how near ready he is, but given the closeness in age I'd rather not buy another player in the same position and give him that bit extra time if needed to be ready.
 
Pexbo said:
Is it not impossible that some/all transfers have add ons that we expect to be hit this year? That's not just taking this summers transfers into account but all transfers previous that have active addons? I.E players hitting XX caps for the club, international caps, goal watersheds, it's also not difficult to believe that Woodward might have included UCL qualification addons to this summer's transfer incomings, removing some of the financial risk from the deals should we fail to hit qualify.
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Yes what you say is perfectly correct, but I think for the benefit of the graph, and the way Woodward said it makes me think it is just a simplistic guide to our transfer spend, ie the reported £59 million for Di Maris is what will be factored into this graph, even though on the accounts it will be amortised over 5 years, probably in different amounts year on year depending how it is structured.

So my original point of £27 million or so been available up until June 30 th 2015 is still valid, makes sense it's for Strootman, maybe some sort of pre agreed deal assuming his fitness by January.
 
Some players like Fellaini, Fletcher, Cleverley, Anderson, Valencia and Young will leave in January, funds for Strootman will be made available one way or another. We will be hell bent on getting him here as long as Roma don't get past the group stages of CL.
 
Strootman will struggle to get in to the team when he's back from fitness if Nainggolan keeps up his form, take either one of them two from Roma and we'd have great options in midfield for the first time in what would feel like forever prior to this season.
 
Where Blind played on Sunday. He did that well at the U21 Euro's last summer. Strikes me as quite versatile and could probably play a bit further forward, though.
 
He's not really a defensive mid and he stepped it up a level last season with Roma whilst he got forward a lot more as opposed to just sitting deep in midfield. Don't think the role Blind played Sunday would suit him, or get the best out of him.
 
Sammyjunn said:
How do you guys think Strootman would fit in 4312?
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We probably will need 5-6 CMs (if we are back in the CL)

Blind,Herrera,Di Maria are 3.

So we still need another 2-3.

Fellaini,Anderson will be move on. Carrick will be 34 and Fletcher will be 31. Probably one of them will stay so their will be room for maybe even 2!

So while he would have to fight it out with the rest to start he is needed. Also if we get him we can switch more easily to a 433 and let Di Maria play as a winger.
 
thegregster said:
We probably will need 5-6 CMs (if we are back in the CL)

Blind,Herrera,Di Maria are 3.

So we still need another 2-3.

Fellaini,Anderson will be move on. Carrick will be 34 and Fletcher will be 31. Probably one of them will stay so their will be room for maybe even 2!

So while he would have to fight it out with the rest to start he is needed. Also if we get him we can switch more easily to a 433 and let Di Maria play as a winger.
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Doubt we'll pay 40 million for a rotation player. And dont think he can play as a CVM like Blind. Also dont think we will play 433 , no place for Mata.
 
In the 4312? He'd play a role similar to Herrera did. He isn't as quick, or as gifted technically, but he's stronger physically, and is probably as good at driving forward with the ball. What he also lacks in Herrera's nimble, one touch play under pressure, he makes up with in long passing abilities. We need good midfield depth, and he'd be that.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Doubt we'll pay 40 million for a rotation player. And dont think he can play as a CVM like Blind. Also dont think we will play 433 , no place for Mata.
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I think the 433 will be used as an option now and again.

I think we can get him for 30mil.
 
bishblaize said:
Confused. Isn't that exactly what he plays at Roma? The washing machine, and all that?
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He is more a number 8/box to box, he was a number 6 at Eindhoven, but like Vidal he improved much going forward, He probably can play there, especially against smaller teams.
 
Pyroblazer said:
He is more a number 8/box to box, he was a number 6 at Eindhoven, but like Vidal he improved much going forward, He probably can play there, especially against smaller teams.
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For PSV, he played beside van Bommel. He was never a pure #6, having the destroyer in van Bommel allowed him to utilise his box-to-box capabilities. You're nullifying so much of his game sticking him as a #6.
Kag said:
He can play there, I've watched him do it.
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When?
 
DWelbz19 said:
For PSV, he played beside van Bommel. He was never a pure #6, having the destroyer in van Bommel allowed him to utilise his box-to-box capabilities. You're nullifying so much of his game sticking him as a #6.
When?
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During the Euro, he was the defensive box to box beside Van Ginkel.
 
bishblaize said:
Confused. Isn't that exactly what he plays at Roma? The washing machine, and all that?
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His position at Roma was to instigate attacks, and create a transition from defence into attack and vice versa. He was 'all action', which is how LvG refers to him. He played in front of de Rossi (the #6) and behind Pjanic (#10). It was like the definition of midfield balance.
 
JPRouve said:
During the Euro, he was the defensive box to box beside Van Ginkel.
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And we all saw how average he looked there. People on here were enraged that we were linked with him looking at those performances. It just isn't the position for him, his game is far more expansive in the final third and he's wasted playing as an anchor.
 
DWelbz19 said:
And we all saw how average he looked there. People on here were enraged that we were linked with him looking at those performances. It just isn't the position for him, his game is far more expansive in the final third and he's wasted playing as an anchor.
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He was very good, people in here (including myself) should watch player before judging them. He was very good in that role, very intelligent, and Van Ginkel too.
 
Santos J said:
He's not really a defensive mid and he stepped it up a level last season with Roma whilst he got forward a lot more as opposed to just sitting deep in midfield. Don't think the role Blind played Sunday would suit him, or get the best out of him.
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Agreed, he's only ok defensively and is an '8' really rather than a '6'. He wouldn't be particularly well-suited to any of the midfield roles in a 4-3-1-2, but I expect we'll see some more variations in system this season, and certainly wouldn't be surprised if we moved for him in January.
 
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