Kevin Strootman

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He's too boring a signing for most people compared to Thiago. That's the truth.

The Stroot will be our signing. I can sense it. Moyes is on his Blackberry as I write this texting various members of PSV staff asking who to speak to if we want to buy him.

I guess he's better than Leon Osman. Can't remember having watched him though.
 
Moonwalker said:
They have qualified at that point and gave the starting lineup a rest. It would be incredibly daft to hold not appearing in that game against him.
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I know he wasn't dropped but was rested to give others a chance. That still doesn't hide the fact that, out of three games, he was poor in one and didn't play another. Not the greatest tournament really.
 
I wonder if Thiago had a similar tournament would some of you be as opposed to his signing too. Somehow, I doubt it.
 
Kid Cunto said:
I wonder if Thiago had a similar tournament would some of you be as opposed to his signing too. Somehow, I doubt it.
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I know feck all about Strootman but as someone who has watched Thiago a great deal, I can tell you this tournament couldn't have done anything to dissuade me of his quality, regardless of how he performed. He's already done more than enough, at a higher level than U21 football, to prove that.
 
Kid Cunto said:
I wonder if Thiago had a similar tournament would some of you be as opposed to his signing too. Somehow, I doubt it.
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The weird thing is he didn't have a bad tournament he had a decent one where he played a slightly less expansive and more defensive game than he does for PSV due to having two more creative players ahead of him in Van Ginkel and Maher.
 
BAMSOLA said:
The weird thing is he didn't have a bad tournament he had a decent one where he played a slightly less expansive and more defensive game than he does for PSV due to having two more creative players ahead of him in Van Ginkel and Maher.
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So is he normally really expansive and more creative for PSV?
 
Kid Cunto said:
I wonder if Thiago had a similar tournament would some of you be as opposed to his signing too. Somehow, I doubt it.
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Thiago is a well known and plays for Barca. Strootman I highly doubt 90% of all in the topic watched him more than handful of times. So the reaction is pretty obvious.
 
Erentz said:
It's actually depressing to read we have been watching Illarramendi, with the knowledge we'll end up with Strootman instead:(

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He got the ball and passed it.. In what way is this different to Strootman except him being Espanol?
 
Kid Cunto said:
I wonder if Thiago had a simIar tournament would some of you be as opposed to his signing too. Somehow, I doubt it.
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As Brightonian said, many have been watching Thiago for a long time already. Im fairly sure I first saw him before he'd played for Barca, , can't remember where though.

What you're basically saying is that it is reasonable to say we should sign any player that we have seen play only a handful of times, no matter how average they were.
 
Mainoldo said:
So is he normally really expansive and more creative for PSV?
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Slightly more expansive without being full on.

He plays effectively as a deep lying playmaker on most occasions but doesn't employ the kind of expansive game we have seen from Carrick this season. Instead he holds position as the deepest midfielder in front of the back four and employs mostly simply distribution but has more license to take more touches and dictate the tempo(a bit like Dembele).

His role has on occasions changed this season gone by but that's mostly how PSV have used him when i've seen him play. In this tournament however he looks to me to have been given the role of a CM ball winner so he is allowed more freedom of movement whilst tracking the ball but would mostly win back the ball and play to Van Ginkel or Maher who would then dictate the tempo/playmake.

Hope this makes sense.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
People also seem to be forgetting that he's only 23 years of age. That's nothing for a midfielder. You're looking at another 10 years until a player of his stature should still be in his peak.
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To put it in further perspective, Strootman is younger than Cleverley :eek:
 
Mainoldo said:
He got the ball and passed it.. In what way is this different to Strootman except him being Espanol?
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Agree. Although I only saw half of that youtube video and half of the final match today, I wasn't as impressed with Illari as everyone else. Some people are saying he was their man of the tournament. Was he really that good??
 
Elliott said:
:lol: How damn convenient.
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Everest Red said:
Classic hindsight bias.
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ciderman9000000 said:
:lol:

I'd like to go on record also to point out that the players I never wanted at United were all those Erentz listed plus all the other flops we've had; whilst I was desperate for us to sign all those ones nobody had ever heard of but went on to be great successes for us.

This proves that, just like Erentz, I'm some kind of masterscout who's never wrong; I feel for the guy with you people picking on him, people like myself and Erentz struggle at times to convey our genius in ways which you mere muppets will understand.
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For christ's sake, you really are a bunch of cnuts, I never said I was right about every player, I wanted us to sign Ben Arfa and there's been plenty more I've been wrong about, that was just the players I had seen play before they arrived that I didn't think were right for United, some would say Berbatov and Young have been pretty good for us. god forbid anyone have a different opinion though.


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I knew that Ronaldo, Rooney and the Da Silvas were gonna be good after their first match.
 
Everest Red said:
I knew that Ronaldo, Rooney and the Da Silvas were gonna be good after their first match.
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Are you sure one match was enough to correctly judge a player? apparently it takes a good six months of viewing by professional scouts, only then can you have an opinion.
 
Erentz said:
Are you sure one match was enough to correctly judge a player? apparently it takes a good six months of viewing by professional scouts, only then can you have an opinion.
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Judging players when they play for the NT's is risky though. They might be doing things differently, playing roles they are not used to or being used in ways that does not bring out the best.
 
Erentz said:
apparently it takes a good six months of viewing by professional scouts, only then can you have an opinion.
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Are you debating that consistently viewing a player over a period of time is better than basing everything from one game?
 
Still looking very hopeful on the Strootman front, some even seem to think it could be wrapped up in the next week, though that's mostly nothing sources really.

I'd be over the moon with either him or Thiago (I'd be shocked if we signed both). If we had to choose between the two though, I'd rather we got Strootman without a shadow of a doubt (and I'm sure most on here will disagree with that).

As I've said a few times already, the key I feel we need to be looking at is the right balance. In my mind Kagawa should be the man starting in an attacking midfield role next season and with him in that position, we would have two midfielders sitting in behind him. Carrick and Strootman sitting behind Kagawa could provide a brilliant balance. It'd allow Kagawa a great amount of freedom in the attacking areas and even allow both Strootman and Carrick the freedom to roam forward with one sitting back, exchanging this from time to time.

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I'd expect a brilliant balance to the midfield if we had Strootman partnering Carrick. Quality player in his overall game. Very good passer, retains the ball well, good finishing, great engine, good tackler, good strength, likes to get stuck in. For the price we're likely looking at he could be a massive bargain and just the player we need to boost that midfield and find the right balance and link between the defence and attack.​
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And don't ever underestimate how important the balance and right combination is. It's not always about who's the most talented individual, it's about finding two (or three in some cases) people that can build a partnership together and form a combination that is the right balance for the team itself.​
 
JP77 said:
I'd be over the moon with either him or Thiago (I'd be shocked if we signed both). If we had to choose between the two though, I'd rather we got Strootman without a shadow of a doubt (and I'm sure most on here will disagree with that).
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I'm not so sure about that. As you can see from this thread, I really like Strootman, but passing up on a special talent like Thiago for the sake of balance would be beyond foolish - especially considering how ridiculously cheap he would be right now.
 
Andrew~ said:
I'm not so sure about that. As you can see from this thread, I really like Strootman, but passing up on a special talent like Thiago for the sake of balance would be beyond foolish - especially considering how ridiculously cheap he would be right now.
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As I said, I'd expect most on here to disagree with that, but for me if it came down to just having one, I'd rather take Strootman.

Everything I mentioned about the balance of the team doesn't neglect the fact that Strootman is also a quality player who under us would quite likely become even better. Sure the same can be said for Thiago too, but Strootman is my personal choice, because for me I don't think there's a massive difference in terms of talent, so I start looking at which could provide the better balance and combination for the midfield and also in the long term (certainly with Carrick getting older) and for me that's Strootman.

None of that is taking anything away for Thiago. As I said, I'd be over the moon to sign the guy, he could be brilliant under us, but I expect we'd only be looking to sign one of them and in that case, I'd rather Strootman.
 
I'm sure Strootman is a great talent (I haven't seen an awful lot of him), but Thiago looks like he'll be the best midfielder in the world in a couple of years, can the same actually be said about Strootman, is he really that highly rated?
 
Cina said:
I'm sure Strootman is a great talent (I haven't seen an awful lot of him), but Thiago looks like he'll be the best midfielder in the world in a couple of years, can the same actually be said about Strootman, is he really that highly rated?
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Nope of course not but he could still become a valuable team member and a good replacement for Carrick in the long run. I also think our central midfield could do with two new players so signing one of the two shouldn't rule out signing the other.
 
We should keep Strootman on ice until Thiago is all signed up. Don't want Thiago thinking there is any competition for places at all. None. Just him vs fat Ando. We should loan Cleverley out and have Fletcher announce his retirement, just to help the cause. We can rescind both decisions later.
 
JP77 said:
As I said, I'd expect most on here to disagree with that, but for me if it came down to just having one, I'd rather take Strootman.

Everything I mentioned about the balance of the team doesn't neglect the fact that Strootman is also a quality player who under us would quite likely become even better. Sure the same can be said for Thiago too, but Strootman is my personal choice, because for me I don't think there's a massive difference in terms of talent, so I start looking at which could provide the better balance and combination for the midfield and also in the long term (certainly with Carrick getting older) and for me that's Strootman.

None of that is taking anything away for Thiago. As I said, I'd be over the moon to sign the guy, he could be brilliant under us, but I expect we'd only be looking to sign one of them and in that case, I'd rather Strootman.
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Fair enough. I don't really care either way, I very much doubt that Thiago would come here anyway, and I'd be very, very pleased with Strootman. So I'm good either way! :D
 
JP77 said:
As I said, I'd expect most on here to disagree with that, but for me if it came down to just having one, I'd rather take Strootman.

Everything I mentioned about the balance of the team doesn't neglect the fact that Strootman is also a quality player who under us would quite likely become even better. Sure the same can be said for Thiago too, but Strootman is my personal choice, because for me I don't think there's a massive difference in terms of talent, so I start looking at which could provide the better balance and combination for the midfield and also in the long term (certainly with Carrick getting older) and for me that's Strootman.

None of that is taking anything away for Thiago. As I said, I'd be over the moon to sign the guy, he could be brilliant under us, but I expect we'd only be looking to sign one of them and in that case, I'd rather Strootman.
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I don't see what's balanced about putting Carrick next to Carrick.. Its not balanced its jus safe. Too much enthasis on here worrying about defending Carrick does that and when he leaves we can replace him. Untill then we need a ball player that can be of the same cloth as Scholes. Thiago has all them attributes. But as you said just your opinion.
 
If we're going to get this guy, that is fine but we really need a creative type too to complement Strootman and Carrick. Someone who is more talented than either and a proper playmaker.
 
simonhch said:
We should keep Strootman on ice until Thiago is all signed up. Don't want Thiago thinking there is any competition for places at all. None. Just him vs fat Ando. We should loan Cleverley out and have Fletcher announce his retirement, just to help the cause. We can rescind both decisions later.
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I'll second this. We should also say that Carrick has broken both his legs and won't be available this season.
 
Raees said:
Someone who operates more deeper. Basically either Thiago or Gundogan type..
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As mentioned Kagawa or Rooney is the answer as we play pretty much 4-2-3-1 so the isn't always the need for a ACM just a AM playing behind the striker. However if we wanted the option of having a ACM for example to play a 4-3-3 then Cleverley(he has for England) and Giggs can play that role.
 
We need someone to play alongside Carrick and pose a threat going forward. Someone with both the quality, energy and awareness to do it for 50 games next season. Strootman would surely be a replacement/fill in for Carrick when needed and someone like Thiago would replace...erm.. Nobody.
 
Erentz said:
It's actually depressing to read we have been watching Illarramendi, with the knowledge we'll end up with Strootman instead:(
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How often have you seen this lad play? Are you so confident he is going to be better than Strootman in the years to come?
 
I'd say Strootman was the 4th of 5th best CM at the U21's, I think him and Carrick as a combo is far from ideal, not enough pace or mobility, but as an understudy he'd be a solid buy, although not the best we could make just from the U21's alone IMO.
 
Devil may care said:
I'd say Strootman was the 4th of 5th best CM at the U21's, I think him and Carrick as a combo is far from ideal, not enough pace or mobility, but as an understudy he'd be a solid buy, although not the best we could make just from the U21's alone IMO.
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The little I saw of Illaramendi (the latest craze), he was as mobile and pacy as Carrick.
 
savais said:
The little I saw of Illaramendi (the latest craze), he was as mobile and pacy as Carrick.
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I never suggested Illaramendi was a good fit with Carrick either, in fact in his thread I said he looked like he'd make for a good understudy to Carrick.
 
Devil may care said:
I'd say Strootman was the 4th of 5th best CM at the U21's, I think him and Carrick as a combo is far from ideal, not enough pace or mobility, but as an understudy he'd be a solid buy, although not the best we could make just from the U21's alone IMO.
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If we are after pace and mobility, I read an article the other day in which Usain Bolt states he still harbours ambitions of playing for United. Reckons he's good enough too. Just wonder if he can do it on a cold, wet Tuesday night in Stoke.
 
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