Kevin Strootman

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Erentz said:
Doesn't sound like a done deal according to that, looks like we might pass on him after all.
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I reckon it much like when we signed Doiuf. We were monitoring him (among probably many players) but our hand was forced when someone bidded for him.

It just a little peculiar that we have not signed him up yet given we that we have been linked for so long
 
Nobby style said:
We were saved? We ran away with the fecking league.
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Yeah, yeah. What is this, the nitpicking world championships? Did you read the post, catch the drift, as they say? We've won the fecking league many times under Fergie, 'cause he's, you know, Fergie. Greatest man alive and all that. Literally, as illiterate people say. He is. But he's a special kind of man, not everybody is a genius like him. Which is, sort of, the whole feckin' point.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
It's quite bizarre.

For the first time in years we might actually be about to sign a midfielder capable of performing the roll we've been severely lacking in and the majority on here spend their time moaning that he's not who they want.
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Thats the biggest cue that he's the best one to sign up :)
 
Platato said:
We don't really know. That seems to be the problem with agents. Can we really trust what they say in public?
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You don't really need to trust him. His motivations are pretty conspicuous, but so are the implications of what he is saying. If his client had a deal with a big club six months ago, like some supposedly clued in people were saying, he wouldn't come up with a statement that he just did.
 
Moonwalker said:
You don't really need to trust him. His motivations are pretty conspicuous, but so are the implications of what he is saying. If his client had a deal with a big club six months ago, like some supposedly clued in people were saying, he wouldn't come up with a statement that he just did.
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Perhaps. We will find out soon what all of this really means. I take most things with a grain of salt.
 
I think he would be a good asset to our team. The only negative thing I noticed about him is that he looks awfully one footed but on the other hand he seems to have the technical ability and positional awareness to compensate for it.
 
NoLogo said:
I think he would be a good asset to our team. The only negative thing I noticed about him is that he looks awfully one footed but on the other hand he seems to have the technical ability and positional awareness to compensate for it.
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You reckon? I haven't found that when watching him at all.

Granted he's no Jevans but he's not exactly Valencia like with his one-footedness.
 
Carl said:
You reckon? I haven't found that when watching him at all.

Granted he's no Jevans but he's not exactly Valencia like with his one-footedness.
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Well look at the video against Italy again and you will notice that he never plays a pass with his right foot but rather uses the outside of his left. He can tackle and control a ball okay with his right but I think that's the least you can expect from a professional football player.
 
starman said:
It just a little peculiar that we have not signed him up yet given we that we have been linked for so long
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Well I think last year the rumours were quite strong but since he'd only been at PSV one year he had no intention of leaving.
 
Strootman and Thiago would sort our midfield for almost a decade. Get it done Moyes.
 
It's actually depressing to read we have been watching Illarramendi, with the knowledge we'll end up with Strootman instead:(

 
Quite remarkable how the Strootman "haterz" seem to know so much about a player who until recently was relatively obscure to many.
 
I was delighted when we signed Carrick, so don't start that nonsense. I actually wanted us to sign him when he was at West Ham.

If we do sign Strootman, I hope he does well, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend he's something he isn't. I've said repeatedly that I'd never seen him play before this tournament, and from what I've seen, he's not good enough. I know it must come as a shock that some people don't rate certain players as much as you do personally, but that's life.

For the record, from the players United have signed since 1992/93(that's as far back as the records on here go) that I had seen play in full games before we got them, these are the players I definitely didn't want United to sign,

Young
Owen
Berbatov
Smith
Djemba-Djemba
Miller
Dublin

So I don't think I moan much when it comes to signings, there's been more where you haven't seen them before they arrive at United, and then the full horror hits you when you see them dribble the ball out of play for the first time(Obertan), it's just a difference of opinion. Don't be lazy and attribute it to him not being a glamorous signing, I couldn't care less about signing superstars, getting the right players is more important, and I don't think he's the right player.
 
Erentz said:
I was delighted when we signed Carrick, so don't start that nonsense. I actually wanted us to sign him when he was at West Ham.

If we do sign Strootman, I hope he does well, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend he's something he isn't. I've said repeatedly that I'd never seen him play before this tournament, and from what I've seen, he's not good enough. I know it must come as a shock that some people don't rate certain players as much as you do personally, but that's life.

For the record, from the players United have signed since 1992/93(that's as far back as the records on here go) that I had seen play in full games before we got them, these are the players I definitely didn't want United to sign,

Young
Owen
Berbatov
Smith
Djemba-Djemba
Miller
Dublin

So I don't think I moan much when it comes to signings, there's been more where you haven't seen them before they arrive at United, and then the full horror hits you when you see them dribble the ball out of play for the first time(Obertan), it's just a difference of opinion. Don't be lazy and attribute it to him not being a glamorous signing, I couldn't care less about signing superstars, getting the right players is more important, and I don't think he's the right player.
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Have you really seen enough of Strootman to be able to authoritatively argue that he isn't a good player ?
 
I think the cynicism comes from the lack of information on him. People rarely watch the Dutch league, PSV didn't go far in Europa, you can't find very many articles on his ability or style, youtube videos are underwhelming, a couple of U21 games are hardly the judge of anyone's ability.

He may turn out to be the buy of century, if we do get him, but for now he is an unknown. There is always fear and skepticism associated with the unknown.
 
Raoul said:
Have you really seen enough of Strootman to be able to authoritatively argue that he isn't a good player ?
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I haven't said he isn't a good player, I've said from what I've seen of him he isn't good enough for United. I saw this comment on another forum about him and I think it's spot on, and it articulates the problems I have with him much better than I have done.

It was the best I've seen him play. Again, his position was different. I've watched him a handful of times and I've seen him play as the holding midfielder, as the more attacking in a double-pivot and at the point of a triangle. Last night he played quite deep, which meant he was involved much more and had more time on the ball, especially as Italy were standing off quite a bit in that area of the pitch.

The performance really just underlined all the attributes that were already apparent, both good and bad. Technically he's very strong; passing was crisp and accurate, although perhaps he went sideways a bit much rather than looking to bring it forward.

But when the Italians got space through the middle and he was left isolated, his physical deficiencies were again exposed. Several times in the tournament he's struggled in one-v-one situations. There was a moment last night when Insigne embarrassed him a little by evading him twice in quick succession. He can look very awkward and clumsy in those situations. Also, for all his work off the ball, he doesn't always fill the defensive gaps quickly enough. I thought he might have been more alive to cutting off the final pass for Borini's goal last night.

Overall, you can see the talent he's got but I'd be surprised if a big club went for him, especially given the current climate for energetic, aggressive-pressing midfields. Put him up against a Bayern, Dortmund or Barca side and I think Strootman would struggle massively.
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Erentz said:
For the record, from the players United have signed since 1992/93(that's as far back as the records on here go) that I had seen play in full games before we got them, these are the players I definitely didn't want United to sign,

Young
Owen
Berbatov
Smith
Djemba-Djemba
Miller
Dublin
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:lol: How damn convenient.
 
People also seem to be forgetting that he's only 23 years of age. That's nothing for a midfielder. You're looking at another 10 years until a player of his stature should still be in his peak.
 
Erentz said:
I was delighted when we signed Carrick, so don't start that nonsense. I actually wanted us to sign him when he was at West Ham.

If we do sign Strootman, I hope he does well, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend he's something he isn't. I've said repeatedly that I'd never seen him play before this tournament, and from what I've seen, he's not good enough. I know it must come as a shock that some people don't rate certain players as much as you do personally, but that's life.

For the record, from the players United have signed since 1992/93(that's as far back as the records on here go) that I had seen play in full games before we got them, these are the players I definitely didn't want United to sign,

Young
Owen
Berbatov
Smith
Djemba-Djemba
Miller
Dublin

So I don't think I moan much when it comes to signings, there's been more where you haven't seen them before they arrive at United, and then the full horror hits you when you see them dribble the ball out of play for the first time(Obertan), it's just a difference of opinion. Don't be lazy and attribute it to him not being a glamorous signing, I couldn't care less about signing superstars, getting the right players is more important, and I don't think he's the right player.
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I wish I was a retroactive scout with the power of sight.
 
Elliott said:
:lol: How damn convenient.
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:lol:

I'd like to go on record also to point out that the players I never wanted at United were all those Erentz listed plus all the other flops we've had; whilst I was desperate for us to sign all those ones nobody had ever heard of but went on to be great successes for us.

This proves that, just like Erentz, I'm some kind of masterscout who's never wrong; I feel for the guy with you people picking on him, people like myself and Erentz struggle at times to convey our genius in ways which you mere muppets will understand.
 
It's weird that he says he's not good enough, considering how well he's played over this tournament. I'd be able to understand more if, like Ekeke, he just said he's not the right style of player in his opinion; 'cos to everyone else he looks like a pretty good player.
 
pocco said:
To be fair, his u21 tournament wasn't completely convincing. He wasn't that great in one one game and started another on the bench.
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And It's probably not fair to completely judge a player on a couple of games in an U21 tournament.
 
Kid Cunto said:
And It's probably not fair to completely judge a player on a couple of games in an U21 tournament.
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Absolutely. However, for a long time people on here have been naming Strootman as the answer to our problems without, I suspect, having seen him play. It works both ways.
The only possible reason you could give for him being good enough is the fact that we are supposed to be interested, but I'm not even convinced on that as it stands.

I'm not writing the guy off as I've only seen him a couple of times really, but I can see the hypocrisy in telling the critics in here that they've not seen enough to judge, when people we're calling for us to sign him without ever seeing him play.
 
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