Kevin Strootman

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fast eh

Would take Van Ginkel (and can see why Chelsea are doing so) or Maher over him any day of the week, but that doesnt make him a bad player. Just ridiculously overhyped like a lot of young players
 
Ekeke said:
fast eh

Would take Van Ginkel (and can see why Chelsea are doing so) or Maher over him any day of the week, but that doesnt make him a bad player. Just ridiculously overhyped like a lot of young players
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You may be referring to my post there. I meant that he thinks and passes quickly. He's obviously not fast over the ground.
 
Will Absolute said:
You may be referring to my post there. I meant that he thinks and passes quickly. He's obviously not fast over the ground.
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Actually, his speed of thought and execution/handelings snelheid is the biggest criticism laid to him in Holland. He did great in that department today i found, but half of that italian squad are serie b players...
 
Kevin said:
Actually, his speed of thought and execution/handelings snelheid is the biggest criticism laid to him in Holland. He did great in that department today i found, but half of that italian squad are serie b players...
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??

That's surprising. He hit a lot of instant, first time passes today.
 
Yeah he did very well today, let's hope that means he can go to another level necessary to make that step up at a big club...
 
Ekeke said:
fast eh

Would take Van Ginkel (and can see why Chelsea are doing so) or Maher over him any day of the week, but that doesnt make him a bad player. Just ridiculously overhyped like a lot of young players
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This is not true. He's not "ridiculously overhyped", there were many PSV fans who said he didn't do well last season, which in a way does show you the expectation levels they have of him, but it certainly doesn't put him in the category you put him in. I would take Van Ginkel and Maher over him too, as they have the potential to become better players, but as of right now, with the experience he has, we can't overlook him, even as a squad player because that's what our team needs and missed when Carrick and Cleverley weren't in the side. It would mean less reliance on Jones, too.

I missed the game, but reading the posts in this thread make me pumped up to make a match compilation of his performance. He started off average against Germany, became better against Serbia, and now produces his best display of the tournament. Not bad at all.
 
MoneyMay said:
This is not true. He's not "ridiculously overhyped", there were many PSV fans who said he didn't do well last season, which in a way does show you the expectation levels they have of him, but it certainly doesn't put him in the category you put him in. I would take Van Ginkel and Maher over him too, as they have the potential to become better players, but as of right now, with the experience he has, we can't overlook him, even as a squad player because that's what our team needs and missed when Carrick and Cleverley weren't in the side. It would mean less reliance on Jones, too.

I missed the game, but reading the posts in this thread make me pumped up to make a match compilation of his performance. He started off average against Germany, became better against Serbia, and now produces his best display of the tournament. Not bad at all.
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I mean he's ridiculously overhyped by people on the internet, seemingly ever since someone mentioned Keane with regards to him. The media dont help either, can remember seeing a £20 million figure mentioned somewhere from us. I have no idea how PSV fans rate him but I wouldnt be surprised if he was their best young player
 
Ekeke said:
I mean he's ridiculously overhyped by people on the internet, seemingly ever since someone mentioned Keane with regards to him. The media dont help either, can remember seeing a £20 million figure mentioned somewhere from us. I have no idea how PSV fans rate him but I wouldnt be surprised if he was their best young player
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Fair enough, mate. I agree with you. I find it absurd that we would spend £20m on him and he would probably end up as a squad player. I rate him highly because we would actually have someone reliable as an alternative for Carrick and Cleverley, which would mean less of Giggs and Jones in central midfield. He had a good season, he scored 6 goals and registered 10 assists, which is a goal/assist every 170 mins (good for a box-to-box midfielder). He works really hard and I find this issue regarding his speed to be a non-issue, as all we have to do is take a look at Carrick and how he deals with himself on the pitch. By the way, the internet has blown up with rumours that Napoli are close to securing his signing. Make of that what you will.
 
101GG have asked him about joining us after every match:lol:


 
I thought today was his best game of the 3 he's played in the tournament, he's neat and tidy and looks like he has some leadership qualities about him. I'd not be gutted if we didn't sign him but I'd be content enough with the notion that he could develop into Carrick's replacement over time.
 
What we can see in the media today is a huge promotional wave of Kevin's football personality for the sake of himself, PSV and Dutch international team. Even Dick Advocaat judges Strootman to be ready for the greatest football stage and he literally wants Kevin to leave his team, this summer.

I'm not sure if it's the right time for him but the fact that he played so many matches at the international level shows that he can offer at least some consistence and stability to the midfield.

I won't judge, not before we'll hear some statements from Manchester United if we're really paying interest in him and why.
 
Devil may care said:
I thought today was his best game of the 3 he's played in the tournament, he's neat and tidy and looks like he has some leadership qualities about him. I'd not be gutted if we didn't sign him but I'd be content enough with the notion that he could develop into Carrick's replacement over time.
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Carrick always look good, playing against those Italians. Is it a sign?
 
I think he'd be a fine understudy to Carrick, no problem there. One thing is for sure, he's got through a lot more defensive work than we've ever been able to rely on Anderson or Cleverley to do. Then again he's playing in a midfield 3, perhaps things would change a little when he plays in a 2. Who knows. But from the looks of it we'd have a lot less concerns defensively if he filled in for Carrick than if Cleverley or Anderson did which is a plus.
 
reminds me so much of van persie in interviews in that he comes across has being very sensible and considers each question before answering.
 
He's not a flashy player but he will add a lot defensive solidity to our midfield. He's adept at reading the game and breaking up attacks. Very good anticipation. He won't satisfy the transfer muppets but he'd be a good signing in my eyes.
 
Uses the ball well to IMO. He always knows what he's going to do with the ball before he gets it, and he seems to have decent passing range as well.
 
Platato said:
He's not a flashy player but he will add a lot defensive solidity to our midfield. He's adept at reading the game and breaking up attacks. Very good anticipation. He won't satisfy the transfer muppets but he'd be a good signing in my eyes.
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Might not please the muppets, but he's the right type of player for us right now.
 
Platato said:
He's not a flashy player but he will add a lot defensive solidity to our midfield. He's adept at reading the game and breaking up attacks. Very good anticipation. He won't satisfy the transfer muppets but he'd be a good signing in my eyes.
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Honestly, I feel someone in his mould is exactly what we're lacking in the middle. Personally, my biggest issue with our midfield is not a lack of creativity (though I would never say no to Thiago et al joining us) but that too often in the last year or two teams seem to be able to just run straight through our midfield unopposed. Carrick aside, none of our other midfielders are much good at defensive work (presuming Fletcher will not reach his best again), so someone like Strootman would be a welcome addition indeed.
 
SATA said:
Does the U21 tourney has a 3rd/4th placing? If not, we might well see a confirmation soon if he is to join
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If he won't hide and escape on vacation, we certainly will.

Seriously, upcoming week should give some answers, or at least one.
 
Andrew~ said:
Might not please the muppets, but he's the right type of player for us right now.
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Brilliant. The muppets are the ones that have linked us with him for the past 18 months, and now he's a player who wont appeal to them

He'd be a fine understudy for Carrick, just like McCarthy could be. And several other players. And if we leave it a year or two waiting for him to mature, maybe someone else signs him. But there will be just as good a prospect, probably better to take over from Carrick

Unfortunately its all missing the point. We need someone who will compliment Carrick. Our midfield isnt good enough for our first priority to be depth and filling in for players.
 
Red-Man-Walking said:
Honestly, I feel someone in his mould is exactly what we're lacking in the middle. Personally, my biggest issue with our midfield is not a lack of creativity (though I would never say no to Thiago et al joining us) but that too often in the last year or two teams seem to be able to just run straight through our midfield unopposed. Carrick aside, none of our other midfielders are much good at defensive work (presuming Fletcher will not reach his best again), so someone like Strootman would be a welcome addition indeed.
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same here, he might also be more suited to epl than alcantara and
the perfect cover for Carrick.
 
Ekeke said:
Brilliant. The muppets are the ones that have linked us with him for the past 18 months, and now he's a player who wont appeal to them

He'd be a fine understudy for Carrick, just like McCarthy could be. And several other players. And if we leave it a year or two waiting for him to mature, maybe someone else signs him. But there will be just as good a prospect, probably better to take over from Carrick

Unfortunately its all missing the point. We need someone who will compliment Carrick. Our midfield isnt good enough for our first priority to be depth and filling in for players.
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This is where we differ. I think Strootman (or someone with a similar style) would compliment Carrick very well.
 
Actually they'd both sit back and look to keep the ball rather than create or support the front players. Boring and unneccessary.
 
Strootman goes forward more than Carrick. You may not be seeing that in the Euros much, but he can rush forward I can assure you.
 
Ekeke said:
Actually they'd both sit back and look to keep the ball rather than create or support the front players. Boring and unneccessary.
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Yep, like Cruyff said, you end up blocking yourself if you play two deep midfielders.

 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Strootman goes forward more than Carrick. You may not be seeing that in the Euros much, but he can rush forward I can assure you.
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Few midfielders dont go forward more than Carrick. Thats why having someone who specialises in making the most of having the freedom to get forward is clearly the most complimentry partner for Carrick. We saw it with Scholes who could create and score goals and support the attack brilliantly. Strootman is a world away from anything like that

Van Ginkel on the other hand... Maher on the other hand... Maher may be a bit too offensive, but Carrick would pick up the slack. Thats what makes him a top midfielder in the premier league.
 
I just cut the first half of the game against Italy and, truth be told, he looked good. How did he do overall? Sorry to everyone for the delay of the match compilation, I was busy on the James McCarthy one, but this one will be uploaded late today or tomorrow morning (very early).
 
Ekeke said:
Few midfielders dont go forward more than Carrick. Thats why having someone who specialises in making the most of having the freedom to get forward is clearly the most complimentry partner for Carrick. We saw it with Scholes who could create and score goals and support the attack brilliantly. Strootman is a world away from anything like that

Van Ginkel on the other hand... Maher on the other hand... Maher may be a bit too offensive, but Carrick would pick up the slack. Thats what makes him a top midfielder in the premier league.
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Well he shows his attacking side when he's partnered with Van Bommel so that's good enough for me. Strootman has played a couple of games on the wing (weird formation though) on the left side so he definitely has experience galloping up.

I will be perfectly happy to see him next to Carrick. Better yet, with Thiago/Kagawa in front of them in a 3 man midfield would be delicious.
 
Like Cryuff was saying. I don't see the need in playing or buying someone similar to Carrick. @Ekeke someone that can compliment him would be far better. I understand having this Carrick understood aswell but we really need a first teamer. Too much people worrying about Carrick getting injured.
 
Ekeke said:
Actually they'd both sit back and look to keep the ball rather than create or support the front players. Boring and unneccessary.
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And once again we differ. Strootman is a very forward-thinking player. He's been played as a holding player during the U21 tournament because he's older and slightly more mature, that's all.
 
I've seen Strootman for PSV as well. I saw no evidence whatsoever that he's going to excel pushing forward into the space that playing next to Carrick allows you. That doesnt mean he cant go forward, but he certainly wont make as much of it as the likes of Van Ginkel and Maher who have true attacking qualities. What worked better, Fletcher or Scholes as Carrick's partner?
 
Mainoldo said:
Like Cryuff was saying. I don't see the need in playing or buying someone similar to Carrick. @Ekeke someone that can compliment him would be far better. I understand having this Carrick understood aswell but we really need a first teamer. Too much people worrying about Carrick getting injured.
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Yeah what's to worry about when we've got a 32 year old player who plays a role in the team that nobody else can operate in?

We need two midfield signings this summer. One in the form of Thiago who would be a partner to Carrick and certainly not somebody who could fill in for him. And one in the form of Strootman who would possibly be able to partner Carrick, but the majority of the time would be used as an understudy and to give Carrick a rest, whilst also gradually earning his place in the first XI as Carrick reaches the latter stages of his career.
 
You know what the best way to cover for the fact that Carrick might at some point get injured at some time, ever?

Having a quality partner for him. Not the same player, but someone who compliments him. Its his quality we'll miss not his style, and we'll miss it because we have a lack of it.
 
Ekeke said:
I've seen Strootman for PSV as well. I saw no evidence whatsoever that he's going to excel pushing forward into the space that playing next to Carrick allows you. That doesnt mean he cant go forward, but he certainly wont make as much of it as the likes of Van Ginkel and Maher who have true attacking qualities. What worked better, Fletcher or Scholes as Carrick's partner?
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What... Scholes was several levels above anything Fletcher could dream of, that's why it worked better.
 
Ekeke said:
You know what the best way to cover for the fact that Carrick might at some point get injured at some time, ever?

Having a quality partner for him. Not the same player, but someone who compliments him. Its his quality we'll miss not his style, and we'll miss it because we have a lack of it.
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Even if you get that quality partner, you'd still want a more defensive minded player to help shield the backline alongside him. Certainly in the bigger games, we need either Carrick or someone like Carrick.
 
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